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Does ARR copy??

Topic started by boardsover (@ 202.9.148.80) on Wed May 15 14:18:02 EDT 2002.
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ARR is a great musician considering the extent to which he has revolutionised TFM.......but does he copy a lot??

But I personally know just a few songs which are lifted and it is of course every MD's right in TFM to copy........NOM to deva :-)

They are.....

1.Telephone Manipol, the beats part from All That She Wants

2.En Veettu thotathil........sum carnatic song??

3.Velli Malare in JODI.......from some song in Karnan??

4.Muqabla......those cool beats in the end not lifted but inspired from some english song

5.Sundari from KM.......i dunno abt this one....coz i heard extremely similar beats in The Drew Carry Show.....may be co-incidence

6.Manasukkul oru puyal from STAR.......these beats exactly same as i saw in a movie played on Star Movies.......i mean towards the end when the cast and crew are displayed.

7.Shakalakka Baby......i feel these beats are kinda similar to those in NFS 3......not sure though

8.KM from KM.......again in one particular place the music is similar to ( not much ) wat i heard in NFS 3

can any body add onto this list.........???

Please donot pull other MD's into this discussion and star sum sort of ARR vs IR war........i know tis too hard to resist but please do :-)

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Responses:

• From: vijay (@ 130.65.106.21) on: Wed May 15 16:07:39 EDT 2002
  
  what's nfs 3?
  
  
• From: ? (@ 132.235.18.15) on: Wed May 15 17:25:50 EDT 2002
  
  Is it need for speed 3 game?
  
  
• From: magix (@ 203.199.248.211) on: Wed May 15 21:53:59 EDT 2002
  
  boards over.. when's school opening?? :)
  1.Telephone Manipol, the beats part from All That She Wants -- u r right!
  
  2.En Veettu thotathil........ It is a carnatic raga!
  
  3.Velli Malare in JODI.......nope.. from Doli Sajake Rakhna.. but it is his own music!
  
  4.Muqabla......No idea..
  
  5.Sundari from KM.......ha ha.. no way pal! I am a regular viewer of that show. Watched it yesterday. I guess u've been having "Brahmai"
  
  6.Manasukkul oru puyal from STAR....... May i know the movie?
  
  7.Shakalakka Baby......"Brahmai"!!
  
  8.KM from KM....... It's time u play NFS 5 Porche.. its deadly!!! :)
  
  
• From: magix (@ 203.199.248.211) on: Wed May 15 21:56:32 EDT 2002
  
  Arr to my knowledge only takes bits from his own music..
  The only copying he's ever done r
  1. Telephone Manipol beats
  2. The piano part in Kulluvaalile from Muthu
  
  
• From: Vj (@ 203.197.20.11) on: Thu May 16 00:57:50 EDT 2002
  
  "Thillaana thillaana" from Muthu.. the basic rhythm beat is a loop which i heard in Discovery channel. Just an example.
  
  ARR is heavily inspired... and i dont think he copies directly... he lifts tunes/bits/loops from international albums and uses them as loops/BG/rhytm ...seems that Peter Gabriel is his favourite. and in my opinion, inspiration is awright, but copying aint.
  
  
• From: Vj (@ 203.197.20.11) on: Thu May 16 01:00:07 EDT 2002
  
  btw, what does NOM mean? :(
  
  
• From: magix (@ 210.214.1.202) on: Thu May 16 01:29:15 EDT 2002
  
  No offense meant.
  
  
• From: baordsover (@ 202.9.149.135) on: Thu May 16 01:36:28 EDT 2002
  
  NFS3 is Need For Speed 3......ya game.....ur rite
  
  NOM=No Offense Meant
  
  
  magix,
  
  I am sure about the music/beats which were played in the drew carey show....they were kinda siilar to the opening beats in sundari.....i wasnt having brahmai......coz even my mother pointed out the same bit.......i dont think the two of us can have the same 'brahmai' :)......the music was actually played in the round in which dat black guy(sorry dunno his name) sings for the music played by the troop there (sum 2 or 3 ladies).
  i never said it was a lift.....it may be inspired or just a coincidence.
  
  KM from KM has similar beats to the one in NFS3.....towards the end........but it may just be for some five-ten seconds.......nothing great
  
  Velli Malare.......i dunno........my father said tis so similar to some song from karnan.......any one clarify???
  
  And the song in STAR......i don remember which movie.......ill try to find out
  
  and just in case u concluded im against ARR......im a HCARRF.......just wanted to know if he's copied
  
  and as for my scul......tis over......gotta get into a clooege now :-)
  
  
  
• From: boardsover (@ 202.9.149.135) on: Thu May 16 01:37:54 EDT 2002
  
  clooege=college
  
  
• From: lilian (@ 210.214.131.95) on: Thu May 16 02:20:28 EDT 2002
  
  My dear, Its High Time You Keep Your Mouth Shut
  
  If You Don't really Know What Music Is! Point Out Some Director Who does'nt adapt other western
  music? IR----Western Classical Deva---?
  Bharathwaj----software dependent and so on
  
  
  
• From: krk (@ 128.107.253.40) on: Thu May 16 02:30:18 EDT 2002
  
  lilian,
  Include, ARR----Western Pop and Rock Deve--???
  
  
• From: krk (@ 128.107.253.40) on: Thu May 16 02:30:38 EDT 2002
  
  lilian,
  Include, ARR----Western Pop and Rock Deva--???
  
  
• From: S (@ 128.107.253.40) on: Thu May 16 04:30:33 EDT 2002
  
  >>Thillaana thillaana" from Muthu.. the basic rhythm beat is a loop which i heard in Discovery channel<<
  
  That vague humming in thillana is copied from a piece in the island of Dr.moreau...where the hero watches dr.moreau's daughter dancing alone...
  
  and everyone knows of Dr.albans beats in muqqabla...There are quite a few...and have been discussed as many times...
  
  
• From: :-) (@ 128.107.253.40) on: Thu May 16 04:31:20 EDT 2002
  
  >>En Veettu thotathil........ It is a carnatic raga! <<
  
  Oh..really....what "raga", if i may ask ?
  
  
• From: magix (@ 203.199.248.209) on: Thu May 16 04:45:14 EDT 2002
  
  gimme a day to find out.
  i'll give u the answer.
  
  
• From: magix (@ 203.199.248.209) on: Thu May 16 04:49:18 EDT 2002
  
  or maybe in 7 more hrs from now..
  stay tuned!:)
  
  
• From: Raghu (@ 212.2.14.241) on: Thu May 16 06:13:41 EDT 2002
  
  Every MD's inlcuding ARR,IR,...may extract a tune from another song or theme music, it can not be classified as copying, copying means, the whole song it self, we have living example Deva, he is the one that creates the perfect copy, Vazha Deva
  
  
• From: Karthik S (@ 164.164.82.29) on: Thu May 16 07:38:37 EDT 2002
  
  I think these 'lifts-from-loops', 'he-lifts-bits' and 'hey-that's-lifted-from-ace of base' have been done do death. I think anti arr ppl have this sadistic pleasure in digging this topic again and again and see HRARRF's wince everytime this topic comes to the fore - vice versa for anti IR ppl and the ilaya nila - kanavu kaanum example!
  
  Lemme put it clearly on more time. Ace of base happened to use a commercially available rythm loop for the all that she wants song. The same loop was also used by ARR. ARR DID not lift it from AOB, it was available for whoever who needs them! Same with other loops like thillana opening and muquabla closing beats, shakalaka baby ryhtm and so on.
  
  Despite loads of allegations of ARR lifting tunes from older Tamil songs (I'd idealy not call them lifts...if you are born in Tamil Nadu and grow up with film songs of your age, when you become a composer, your tunes are bound to source inspiration from what you've heard so far in your lifetime - In other words I feel its not a conscious effort by ARR to imitate older numbers)...I'm yet to come across a genuine tune lift of ARR. Now dont go on and on about thangapadhakathin mele, sippi irukkuthu etc etc. I'm tired. Read the above again for my response! It'd be the same next time.
  
  Yes, one inspiration I've been wanting to ask ARR is the piano piece in 'hello mr ethirkatchi' which sounds a lot like Dave Grusin's piece in The Firm. Dave Grusin is a celebrated composer and I dunno how much he relies on commercial loops!
  
  
• From: ROTFL (@ 210.186.51.158) on: Thu May 16 08:18:02 EDT 2002
  
  Even I am tired by all these. See board'sover's list... from some song, similar beats, kinda similar, similar but not too much.
  
  Isn't there a Copied Songs thread for all these?
  And is ARR copying )or any otehr MD for that matter) breaking news to warrant a new thread?
  
  It is about time the page maintainers started charging for opening of threads. (Naa thappichen.) :)
  
  
• From: Vj (@ 202.9.151.152) on: Thu May 16 09:01:58 EDT 2002
  
  that song from karnan is "kangal engey nenjamum engey"... which is alleged to hv inspired "velli malarey"
  
  
• From: peeps (@ 12.162.224.6) on: Thu May 16 09:09:41 EDT 2002
  
  boardsover ,
  What i heard from ARR's mother is that he got caught 'blue'(ink pen) handed when he tried to copy in his 8th std exam..
  So we can safely say that he copies..
  
  
• From: ROTFL (@ 210.186.51.66) on: Thu May 16 11:25:54 EDT 2002
  
  Peeps
  You should also tell boardsover who taught ARR the "art of copying." :)
  
  psss - don;t ask, you may not like the answer. :)
  
  
• From: ambleen (@ 202.156.2.138) on: Thu May 16 13:23:02 EDT 2002
  
  ROTFOOL,
  
  Exactly...this is one good example how u start trouble. You are well known for this throughout this forum...together with ur other kampong paranaais.
  
  Now u c why its not a sin to throw a vulgarity at u lot when u directly or indirectly throw ur own nastiness on a film composer.
  
  dei(di?) malaysian kampong theru naai....becareful. i'll be back.
  
  :)
  
  
• From: ambleen (@ 202.156.2.138) on: Thu May 16 13:27:07 EDT 2002
  
  and i c dat u still LIVE here?....no other houses to muff dive to? u mean its that sad?
  
  
• From: sanity re-visited (@ 172.183.43.9) on: Thu May 16 14:09:59 EDT 2002
  
  Soranaiketta Naayi, would be apt
  
  
• From: boardsover (@ 202.9.180.192) on: Thu May 16 15:18:16 EDT 2002
  
  hey guys,
  
  before u are mistaken im a HCARRF......ever since i heard ARR's Roja
  
  when i heard some of my cousins (and my father for the Velli Malare one) accusing ARR......quoting the sources, i found them somewat similar........all my vague terms(kinda,sumwat) were a result of this.....so i just wanted to clarify if it is true
  
  the music played in Drew Carey show and All that she wants are the only one i could recognise on my own
  
  btw,sorry for using the word 'Copying'.....i guess it is a bit too harsh.........the main purpose of me starting this thread is to know more abt ARR's music........thought u guys wud let me know more.......unfortunately it looks like it is turning into an anti-boardsover thread :-(
  
  
  
• From: magix (@ 203.199.248.15) on: Thu May 16 22:52:07 EDT 2002
  
  Hey.. I give up.. My mom didnt know the Raga ;)
  When i had Music class @ school.. our teacher taught us a raga and told us that en veetu thotathil was that raga..
  Memory Failure:
  Abort/Retry/Fail!!
  
  btw, boardsover..
  cha.. i thought i'd be a senior to @least 1 person visiting these DFS. Sadly it's not 2 B! :(
  
  
• From: AR Rahman (@ 210.187.144.75) on: Thu May 16 23:59:54 EDT 2002
  
  Hi guys,
  Please...don't blame ARR.The same music doesn't
  mean ARR copycat english song.Who know,who copy who.ARR is the top MD in India.Some of english fellow try to copycat ARR music which music are difrent that western music.I'm 100% support opinion.I will not argue if you have the strong evidence by show the release date/month/year which one can help us among this topic.
  
  IR-----also had copied ARR.But i dunno which album
  Only one i know that the song is copycat by
  (Anbe,Kadhal desam)
  
  Deva---aslo had copied ARR.But I'm not sure
  which album.But we can find many song are
  copied by Eng song such (Oh nenje,Mugavari)
  Citizen's song.One BGM of Azhagana natkal
  modified by star BGM.The sound is like HO
  HO HOHOHO
  
  Sirpy--also had copied (Uppu karuvadu,Muthalvan)
  and change it to(Kooda meela,kannan
  varuvan).(enna vilai,kadalar dhinam)as
  a part of Unnai Ninaithu's song
  
  Vidyasagar--sorry i cannot find
  
  Barathwaj--he copy kandukonden 2's enna solla
  pogirai in (mottugalea,rojakootam)
  and copycat hindi raaga.
  
  YSR--------copy (Poogatrilea,uyire) to (munpaniya,
  Nantha).he add some bass to confuse us.
  
  Iman-------Some beats of ullathai killathe,
  Tamilan from (Ayirathil naan,Iruvar)
  (Matu matu,tamilan) beats from (Alala
  ganda,Sanggamam)and some BGM of tamilan
  is copied from Jeans
  
  H.Jeyaraj- venmathi,minnale--yevano
  oruvan,Alaipayuthe
  
  gulmuhar malare,majunu---pachai nirame,
  alapayuthe
  love pannu BGM,12b--kiku eruthe
  BGM,Padayyapa
  agaya sooriayan,Samurai--anbe anbe
  Jeans
  poo pol,minnale---thom,star
  
  adithadi pattha,Samurai--thom,star
  
  and more beats are mix together to made
  the listener not find the oroginal
  music.
  
  

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