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Was IR unfair to SPB

Topic started by Arjunanan (@ 195.92.67.65) on Sat Sep 8 15:49:01 EDT 2001.
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Hello all;

I think IR was unfair to SPB during the mid 1980's & early 1990's, all songs which have naturally gone to this genius SPB, went instead to Mano & Arunmozhi, I am sure that IR was unfair to SPB during this period, I repeat only during the period stated above, What do you think Guys??

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Responses:

• From: Ethiroli (@ 64.124.150.135) on: Sat Sep 8 17:29:55 EDT 2001
  
  You are right. It was a conspiracy by the CIA.
  
  
• From: ganesh (@ 63.16.58.22) on: Sat Sep 8 18:49:59 EDT 2001
  
  He destroyed all singers. TMS, Vani Jeyaram, L.R.Eswari. in SPB case, IR wanted to sing instead of giving it SPB.
  
  if you listen TMS, Vanijeyaram, LRE songs, some times I think that why now a days MD's are not utilizing them.
  
  Nowadays, We cannot identify the singers.
  
  
  
• From: Fliflo (@ 146.186.113.254) on: Sat Sep 8 19:04:05 EDT 2001
  
  'He destroyed all singers. TMS, Vani Jeyaram, L.R.Eswari. in SPB case, IR wanted to sing instead of giving it SPB."
  
  Is that the reason why he is proudly known as "Isaignani"..What happened to other MD's ARR, Vidyasagar, SAR, Deva...can still utilise them..Answer me why they don't?
  
  
  
• From: Marathamizhan (@ 128.186.118.120) on: Sat Sep 8 20:08:04 EDT 2001
  
  ya IR was unfair to SPB,Mano,U, Me,My son,Grandson,Ur grandson...
  aenpa indha mari topic ellam...???vella sonna sirippanga...ippo vera yaaravadhu solluvaanga even ARR was unfair..and then even MSV was unfair...then how do u think SPB got into the Guiness books...vera edhaavudhu paesalaamey!!!
  
  
• From: Common Friend (@ 203.197.141.187) on: Sun Sep 9 09:03:22 EDT 2001
  
  >>>What happened to other MD's ARR, Vidyasagar, SAR, Deva...can still utilise them..Answer me why they don't?
  
  Why this question? Stick to IR. The thread says that. There is already a thread which does nothing but bashing ARR for under utilising SPB (foolish perception). If that is right then this thread is also right.
  
  Note:- Truely speaking both threads were started on a bad taste. Admin should close both the threads.
  I don't support both the threads on principle. (arasiyal vaadhi maadhiri illa?)
  
  
• From: Real IR/SPB fan (@ 64.124.150.144) on: Sun Sep 9 09:54:01 EDT 2001
  
  chappaaththi chappaaththi thaan rotti rotti thaan....
  
  
• From: real spb fan (@ 210.210.32.203) on: Sun Sep 9 10:53:30 EDT 2001
  
  i dont know what is wrong in this thread. india is a democratic country and we can speak whatever we want. if you do not like this thread, dont participate. there is nothing badness in this thread. it is arr and not ir unfair to spb
  
  
• From: Music_fan (@ 195.92.67.66) on: Sun Sep 9 14:46:41 EDT 2001
  
  Real SPB fan;
  
  IR did give more nice songs to Mano than SPB during the late 80's & early 90's, where mano made the songs immpossible to hear & butchered all the songs, hence they do not stay in our mind, had all these song were sung by SPB, it would have been "ever green hits". here is list of songs butchered by Mano;
  
  1) all Pandiyan songs
  2) two Chinnathambi songs
  3) Couple of "Veera" songs
  4) Majority of Karthik's & prabhu's films
  5) Kamal's Nayaghan film
  
  
  Please explain why he done that, was he trying to bring SPB down 4 some reasons.
  
  
• From: Raguvaran (@ 212.2.14.241) on: Mon Sep 10 05:23:08 EDT 2001
  
  Music_fan;
  
  You are right, he was trying to bring SPB down, but you know that 99% of Tamil Nadu population will never accept that!!!
  
  
• From: T.R (@ 202.9.149.125) on: Mon Sep 10 07:54:07 EDT 2001
  
  IR WAS UNFAIR TO ARR AND SPB WAS THE REASON FOR UNFAIR ARR AND IR.
  
  
• From: Raguvaran (@ 212.2.14.241) on: Mon Sep 10 07:55:20 EDT 2001
  
  T.R;
  
  what the hell do you mean man???,
  
  
• From: T.R (@ 202.9.148.249) on: Mon Sep 10 08:58:22 EDT 2001
  
  raguvaar what hell?? u r bell in the well,
  
  
• From: Raguvaran (@ 212.2.14.241) on: Mon Sep 10 10:25:58 EDT 2001
  
  TR;
  
  Your posting seems illogical
  
  
• From: Mister India (@ 202.9.149.158) on: Mon Sep 10 10:45:35 EDT 2001
  
  I think IR groomed Mano to be a replacement for SPB. Suppose SPB grew out of hand, then he wud sort of use Mano. But that never happened and just becos' he brouyght Mano into the fold , he had to keep giving him songs. Of course Mano is not bad. Nee Oru Kaadhahal Sageetham is an all time hit. And then the other question, that ARR is not using SPB much. Thats becos' ARR is always going in for a new singer per film. And ARR has used SPB too. For eg. SPB has sung two songs in his latest STAR. In Minsara Kanavu and Roja, SPB got two national awards also, I think he hadn't got any for Tamil in IR's times. So ARR was after all fair or SPB, why not as many songs is becos' he tends to give more oppurtunities to juniors and people he has grromed for eg. Hariharan, Sadhana Sargam etc. And there was one previous post comparing Hari with the maestro SPB. Its not far....And BTW, did u know that Vijay did not want SPB to sing for him in a film. The oaf...What does he know abt. music? And with his voice he talks like a biug hero. If two three films are a hit, then u talk all rubbish. ITs just that Vijay's films earlier whe SPB was singing were all flops, and his latest three four where Hariharan is doing most of the singing are hits, that I think he senti wants SPB not to sing. Anyway sorry for joinging a different thread topic into this one....
  
  
• From: Raguvaran (@ 212.2.14.241) on: Mon Sep 10 11:20:26 EDT 2001
  
  Mister India;
  
  Vijay, who is he???, well for all previous vijay's film were composed by Deva, which were all not that great, this is not because of SPB but because of the idiot Deva, I do not agree with you saying that abt SPB, he himself said his greatest idol is SPB, any way, who cares abt what vijay thinks.
  
  Vijay's film were flop, not because of SPB, but because of his stupid acting & his monkey face!!!.
  
  He has not got the looks for a hero, hence he should quit acting!!
  
  
• From: Fliflo (@ 146.186.113.254) on: Mon Sep 10 11:48:29 EDT 2001
  
  It is absolutely unacceptable to think SPB growing out of hand and Mano to be a substitute. Mano is not a bad singer at all. Somebody has mentioned movies like Chinnathambi, Paandiayan, Nayagan, Veera etc...Never forgotten that songs from all these movies were mega hits. People still do accept other singers..SPB, undoubtedly is a greatest singer..But that simply does not mean others are useless. IR has given atleast 60% of his songs only to SPB. In a way I wud go the extent to say, SPB became increasingly popular just because he sang IR's excellent tunes..Mano's bad luck was his voice that was somewhat identical to SPB and either he was always compared with or felt to be a replacement for him. Nevertheless, he was a good singer again..ARR goes only for new singers is the reason why he survives. However he too repeatedly started using people like udit, hariharan etc...like u guys say SPB's voice is so good and uncomparable..but let somebody throw some light on why ARR keeps forgetting this fact? What happened to SPB's suprabatham..was it better heard than MS's..What happened to his own movie...Sigaram (he was an MD for that I guess)...How many of you remember Sigaram songs??
  
  
  
• From: Raguvaran (@ 212.2.14.241) on: Mon Sep 10 11:57:34 EDT 2001
  
  Fliflo;
  
  I am sure evry body remebers "vannam konda venn nilave" from sikaram, no body can forget that song, many thought that the music MD for the film was IR, until they saw it in the audio cover!!!, if spb's Sikaram was a flop, KJY & Balamurali Krishna would not have sang in this film, OK!
  
  Do you remember "thodiikum karanghal", a Rajni movie, composed by SPB, do you remember the songs in that film, which was a mega hit!!, do you want me to remind you of them songs!!!
  
  by the way, what is this about SPB's subhrabatham, did he sing subhrabatham, well sounds interesting but, I have not heard it, but I have several Telugu & tamil devotionals by SPB, they are a real treat to the soul!!!
  
  
• From: Trend (@ 216.68.113.230) on: Mon Sep 10 11:58:57 EDT 2001
  
  Fliflo,
  Atleast "Vannam konda vennilavae" and "Sandhanam poosa manjal..." can be enjoyed even today.May be you should listen to these two songs and see if you really don't like it.
  
  
• From: Fliflo (@ 146.186.113.254) on: Mon Sep 10 12:19:54 EDT 2001
  
  Raguvir and Trend,
  
  Good that atleast two guys here remember sigaram songs. Indeed, I expected people to come out with a big voice..Let me wait...
  
  
• From: Raguvaran (@ 212.2.14.241) on: Tue Sep 11 04:46:40 EDT 2001
  
  Flifo;
  
  It's not two people just everyone remembers it very well, by the way IR some new film not "kutti", where IR used HH for the entire film, Can you beilive it, how the hell is he going to be no.1, if he doesn't use SPB, no way man!, they songs are very irritating when HH sings it, the songs will be forgotten after a while.
  
  
• From: mahabs (@ 203.197.138.163) on: Tue Sep 11 09:37:29 EDT 2001
  
  ir and spb had always this kind of 'oodal'. i heard in a spb's interview that spb didn't sing for ir's initial movies 'cause ir and spb were not on talking terms that time. then, spb asked ir "aenda enaaku paattu ethuvum thara mattaya?"
  
  the rest was history. as you guys said, in the mid period also, there was a quarrel bet'n them. i don't know the reason for that. ir tried to promote mano, but failed. again, they joined.
  
  but, i don't know why ir is ignoring spb now.
  
  simply because spb sings a song, that song doesn't become immortal.
  
  anbudan
  
  mahabs
  
  
• From: Mudhalvan (@ 195.92.67.65) on: Wed Sep 12 05:01:35 EDT 2001
  
  mahabs;
  
  Do you know the first song SPB sang for IR & the great KVM???
  
  thanks
  
  
• From: Nimalan (@ 195.92.67.71) on: Thu Sep 13 09:09:31 EDT 2001
  
  Mudhalvan;
  
  I think the first IR & SPB combination in Tamil, was the song "mudhal mudhal aaga kadhal vanil" from the film " Niram maratha pookal", I am not sure about SPB & KVM combination.
  
  I just hope this genius live a lot longer & keep us all in love with his voice, god bless this genius.
  
  thanks
  
  Nimalan
  
  
• From: eden (@ 210.214.5.194) on: Fri Sep 14 08:22:46 EDT 2001
  
  Nimalan, a big NO! SPB sang as early as in the 3rd or 4th film of IR (nAn pEsa vandhEn, sollaththAn Or vArthai illai - is the song, I think)
  
  mudhal mudhalAga is the first SPB song in a BR film, of course:-)
  
  
• From: mahabs (@ 203.197.138.163) on: Fri Sep 14 09:35:53 EDT 2001
  
  eden
  
  i think first movie of ir+spb is niram maratha pookkal. but not sure about the song.
  
  anbudan
  
  mahabs
  
  
• From: Ranga (@ 195.92.67.66) on: Fri Sep 14 11:37:56 EDT 2001
  
  Eden;
  
  I also agree with mahabs, that first SPB & Ir combination was the song "Mudhal mudhal aaga ", from niram maratha pookhal., please pardon me if I am wrong.
  
  
  

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