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ARR's interview in Hindu .....-Intresting Point

Topic started by MumbaiRamki (@ 63.186.8.168) on Sun Dec 12 18:45:07 EST 2004.
All times in EST +10:30 for IST.

http://www.hindu.com/mp/2004/12/13/stories/2004121300340100.htm

1.The 'Yuhi chaala ' song from swades was orginally composed for Lagaan .

2.Harris Jeyaraj worked with him only for 2 films !!

3.On today's music -
"What is today's Tamil film music all about? They are nothing more than fast numbers or remix downloaded. What took me weeks to make music for a "Gentleman" or "Rangeela" can be done today if you have a computer, software and then pre-set the rhythms and you have a disco number! Fast music is no big deal today as anyone can become a music director"

4.Rajiv Menon film in tamizh .

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• From: observer (@ 208.254.219.2) on: Thu Dec 16 13:11:01 EST 2004
  
  Dude:
  
  1) Buddy, have you heard the song:
  "Aadaludan paadalai kettu rasipathile daan sugam sugam"... do you know who dances to that song? MGR! Please search for that song, listen to it and come back and tell me what year that movie came out.
  
  I haven't heard this, I'll get back to you when I have. Please understand that I'm not claiming omniscience. Neither should you.
  
  2) The bhangra song by VS you mentioned: "Mutham thara yetha idam..." is an exact copy of "Gori naal ishq mita" by Bally Sagoo.
  
  I don't think it was Bally, but once again I'll concede it. Let's take off a few points from VS's report card. But you still can't deny that that song created a trend. Sometimes MDs are closer to DJs, regard this as a DJ-effort by VS.
  
  I urge you to listen to some dnb, then listen to what VS did with it in Solla Kate from Alai.
  
  
• From: Genesis (@ 136.1.1.101) on: Thu Dec 16 13:27:23 EST 2004
  
  Oberver - I do, and I am not sick like you.
  
  
• From: MumbaiRamki (@ 151.148.60.180) on: Thu Dec 16 13:30:26 EST 2004
  
  1.Yuvan definetely ripped of the pallavi for 2 songs in Kadhal Kondain .The third song is definetly a inspiration only !!!
  
  2.For vidyasagar ,in hi sinitial days the producers had a say in his works ...
  
  3.Every music composer definetely gets his inspiration ..including illayraaja ,MSV ,ARR ,KR ,YSR .....Illayraaja's adaption of Flash Dance ,Rehman's adaption of Rach ( for the guitar piece in the second interlude for Nenjan Yellam) are excellent genuine examples ...
  
  
• From: observer (@ 208.254.219.2) on: Thu Dec 16 13:33:34 EST 2004
  
  Vijay:
  
  "And I dont buy your theory that you are doing all these discussions because you are genuinely concerned that ARR's attitude is affecting his music."
  
  
  You're slurring together some of the things I said. I never said ARR's attitude was affecting his music. What I've been saying from the very beginning, and I'll say it again is: HIS MUSIC IS RUNNING INTO A COMMERCIAL/ARTISTIC CEILING THAT IS AFFECTING HIS CURRENT ATTITUDE.
  
  That is what I meant when I said that this attitude has a bearing on his music. I was referring to it as a symptom of the malaise underneath.
  
  I don't know how to phrase this any more clearly. Help me out. Suggest to me some way that I can convey this without ambiguity and confusion.
  
  I think we're all wasting time debating the genuineness of my intentions. If the seriousness of my posts is not proof enough I don't know what would be. I wonder why fanatics are never questioned about the genuineness of THEIR posts, but critics are.
  
  
• From: observer (@ 208.254.219.2) on: Thu Dec 16 13:35:42 EST 2004
  
  Genesis:
  
  So do I. And sickness, like beauty, is in the eye of the beholder.
  
  
• From: observer (@ 208.254.219.2) on: Thu Dec 16 13:58:27 EST 2004
  
  "I wonder why fanatics are never questioned about the genuineness of THEIR posts, but critics are."
  
  Pondering on my own question I think the answer is that in our society the default attitude is fanaticism of one sort or another. It'd certainly appear to be true for this forum. So deviations from the norm are required to explain themselves, but the default of course doesn't ever need to. I wonder what that says about our country as a whole, pschologically we're not that far advanced from the jihadis.
  
  I think this is how fandom as a phenomenon works. It spreads by questioning independence, by treating critical thought as suspect, insincere, as attention-seeking. So groupism is encouraged, devotees accrete around their chosen composer, and the battles begin...never to end.
  
  
• From: observer (@ 208.254.219.2) on: Thu Dec 16 14:05:09 EST 2004
  
  Dude:
  
  "The bhangra song by VS you mentioned: "Mutham thara yetha idam..." is an exact copy of "Gori naal ishq mita" by Bally Sagoo.
  
  I don't think it was Bally"
  
  I correct myself, it does appear to be by him. Strange, I always took him for a remix dude. I wonder what's the real origin of that song.
  
  
  
• From: LoopsWithTinklingSounds (@ 216.127.82.97) on: Thu Dec 16 14:06:54 EST 2004
  
  "HIS MUSIC IS RUNNING INTO A COMMERCIAL/ARTISTIC CEILING THAT IS AFFECTING HIS CURRENT ATTITUDE"
  
  Good statement. But YSR is not that great. ARR is much better, but people are learning his tricks of the trade (loops, samples, recording quality etc). He let the genie out of the lamp. Now he is upset, the gap is narrowing. Hence these sort of statements.
  I dont understand why people find it difficult to see this. Observer is not alone in his opinions, that is why there even was 'damage control'.
  
  
• From: observer (@ 208.254.219.2) on: Thu Dec 16 14:29:56 EST 2004
  
  LoopsWithTinklingSounds (clever nick that one!)
  
  "But YSR is not that great."
  
  I never claimed YSR was greater than ARR. If it was not clear before let me state for the benefit of everyone that ARR IS GREATER THAN YSR, based on paradigms created, absolute number of successful albums, absolute difference in remuneration, impact in wider circles than TFM etc etc.
  
  Yet I believe that YSR now just has the catchier tunes, and his sales attest to that.
  
  
• From: observer (@ 208.254.219.2) on: Thu Dec 16 14:37:54 EST 2004
  
  LoopsWithTinklingSounds:
  
  "I dont understand why people find it difficult to see this."
  
  Fanaticism is a kind of blindness. Hence the inability to see the obvious.
  
  And before people people pounce on me for my arrogance, let me hasten to add that I might have certain blindnesses that I know nothing about. Constant self-correction is the only answer for all of us.
  
  
• From: observer (@ 208.254.219.2) on: Thu Dec 16 15:03:00 EST 2004
  
  Vijay:
  "My gut feeling is that you are doing it just to corner some attention or to vent your frustrations on ARR :-)"
  
  This one opens up a rich seam of discussion. I just thought of something else. If critics attack a celebrity to get attention, then do fans attach themselves to the coattails of some composer in order to bask in reflected glory? By worshipping some composer do they share by proxy in big achievements and big rewards that they could never secure by themselves?
  
  In short is fandom as parasitic as criticism? That of course questions the very basis of any discussion about music that is person-fixated.
  
  
• From: vijay (@ 68.16.25.50) on: Thu Dec 16 15:08:45 EST 2004
  
  "If critics attack a celebrity to get attention, then do fans attach themselves to the coattails of some composer in order to bask in reflected glory? By worshipping some composer do they share by proxy in big achievements and big rewards that they could never secure by themselves?"
  
  you'll have to ask that to a genuine ARR-fanatic. I am not a big Rahman fan, just someone who thought you were making a mountain out of a mole-hill on this issue. Rahman might be closer to the "commercial ceiling" but not the "artistic ceiling". He is still getting rave critical reviews for his albums whether they are commercial successes or not. I am yet to find a single negative review for KaNgaLaal kaidhu sei from any respectable/genuine reviewer.
  
  
• From: observer (@ 208.254.219.2) on: Thu Dec 16 15:19:10 EST 2004
  
  Vijay:
  
  "I am not a big Rahman fan, just someone who thought you were making a mountain out of a mole-hill on this issue."
  
  Hmmm, didn't you participate with me in the mountain-making? For a non-fan you put up one hell of a show. You had me fooled there for a while.
  
  "not the "artistic ceiling"."
  Naturally "artistic" is a loaded word. It could be whatever you want it to be. I can always find reviewers supporting my case, and I'm sure you can find some to support yours. Given this limitation, I'm going with the fact that his albums now sound to me and to many others to sound and feel very similar to those by YSR/VS/HJ in the south and to ID/Vishal-Shekhar et al in the North. If he has not hit an artistic ceiling wouldn't the difference from the albums of "novices" be obvious?
  
  
• From: observer (@ 208.254.219.2) on: Thu Dec 16 15:20:52 EST 2004
  
  Wasn't it obvious when he first arrived?
  
  
• From: Dude (@ 199.2.219.67) on: Thu Dec 16 15:27:26 EST 2004
  
  Observer, with every post you remind more and more of oliver goldsmith's village schoolmaster :-)
  
  "In arguing too, the person own'd his skill,
  For e'en though vanquish'd he could argue still;
  While words of learned length and thund'ring sound
  Amazed the gazing rustics rang'd around;"
  
  
• From: observer (@ 208.254.219.2) on: Thu Dec 16 15:41:09 EST 2004
  
  Dude:
  
  "For e'en though vanquish'd he could argue still; "
  
  This is not about vanquishing and conquests. This is about reaching the truth. Are you saying you're in possession of THE TRUTH?
  
  
  
• From: Dude (@ 199.2.219.67) on: Thu Dec 16 15:48:20 EST 2004
  
  Thats your comeback? Am gonna give you some more time.. am sure u can think of something better :-)
  
  
• From: observer (@ 208.254.219.2) on: Thu Dec 16 15:56:41 EST 2004
  
  Dude:
  
  Unfortunately all this is not about entertaining you. I promise I'll do it sometime in the future. Here I'm interested in criticising ARR's behaviour and what it says about his music. You'll have to settle for that for now.
  
  
• From: Dude (@ 199.2.219.67) on: Thu Dec 16 15:59:53 EST 2004
  
  There you go!!! I told you, you can do better!
  You have no idea how much I am enjoying this...
  
  
• From: observer (@ 208.254.219.2) on: Thu Dec 16 16:02:57 EST 2004
  
  Dude:
  
  It suddenly struck me, this is how topics usually dwindle into insignificance. Participants are encouraged to showcase their skills in insults and jibes, so nothing of seriousness can EVER be discussed.
  
  Thanks but no thanks.
  
  
• From: observer (@ 208.254.219.2) on: Thu Dec 16 16:11:29 EST 2004
  
  Dude:
  
  "There you go!!! I told you, you can do better!
  You have no idea how much I am enjoying this... "
  
  It's sad how eager people are to abandon intellectual engagement with the topic on hand and settle for mere entertainment. But each to his own.
  
  
• From: Dude (@ 199.2.219.67) on: Thu Dec 16 16:18:09 EST 2004
  
  Please tell me what is your significant contribution to this topic? You have a half-baked knowledge of ARR's musical works. And an even more pathetic knowledge of TFM in general.
  
  But you come here and talk to great lengths as if you know everything. When someone asks you a direct question, instead of a direct answer you pose rhetoric questions hoping that people would forget the original question in your long posts.
  
  Your most signifant contribution to this thread is providing some comic relief, at the same time displaying your ignorance.
  
  

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