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A request to amateur composers who visit this page

Topic started by Vijay (@ 212.137.205.127) on Thu Nov 16 16:58:22 EST 2000.
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I'd like to request amateur composers who visit this page to tell me if they've uploaded any of their work onto the internet and if they have, please tell me where I can listen to it. Thank You.

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Some composers to check out (in no particular order): Jay, Srikanth, Ganesh, Eswar, Sridhar Seetharaman, Kumar, Rjay. Vishwesh Obla

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Responses:

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• From: Sridhar Seetharaman (@ 67.83.146.59) on: Thu Sep 18 10:14:52 EDT 2003
  
  Superb Sam!
  
  
• From: Sam (@ 132.235.19.114) on: Thu Sep 18 19:33:35 EDT 2003
  
  Hi there, these two pieces (Sangeetha megam 2nd interlude from udhaya geetam and Idhu thaan kadhal enbadha from puthiya mugam), I did them entirely on the computer. No note was played from the keyboard. I got hold this freeware called anvil studio and in that software, i dragged the various notes of different time values onto the staff bar to make these peices. I did it for two purposes, one to see if i could write the notation properly and correctly from hearing a piece. ANd i made mistakes in both the aspects. Properly I could not as I didnt understand how to join some notes in the software and correctly, i could not either as some of the notes might be wrong. Please give me ur feed back
  
  
  Sangeetha megam interlude
  http://www.ent.ohiou.edu/~samkolli/SMInterlude.mid
  
  Puthiya mugam song
  http://www.ent.ohiou.edu/~samkolli/ninnati.mid
  
  
  Regards,
  Sam
  
  
• From: Aditya (@ 68.62.91.125) on: Fri Sep 19 08:11:42 EDT 2003
  
  Sam, puthiya mugam song is very nicely done - your notation writing skills are worthy...
  "Without playing and only with notation", makes you a very special guy to this thread and newtfmpage forum...
  
  Regards,
  Aditya
  
  
• From: Jay (@ 66.28.42.140) on: Fri Sep 19 16:51:46 EDT 2003
  
  Sam, nicely done again. cant imagine writing the notes in the staff :)
  
  While the perfect pitch topic came along, I must note that perfect pitch and relative pitch are quite different.
  Most of us have relative pitch. ie; given two notes we can say how far apart they are. but perfect pitch is absolute..
  just give any pitch and they can get which note it is..if its a C or E etc. They can get what note the whistle of a
  train or a humming of a bird is in without any reference! Although they say it can be developed, its mostly inborn.
  Musicians like Yanni, Mozart has it.
  
  
• From: Sam (@ 132.235.229.134) on: Fri Sep 19 17:52:34 EDT 2003
  
  Aditya and Jay, I shud say I took some short cuts. Like for example the bass guitar i placed the notes in one easy register and then transposed them into the lower octaves. And I was familiar with the tunes before, so knowing which note after which was not that hard. Of course I had to check periodically to see that I getting the right notes.
  
  
• From: Sam (@ 132.235.229.134) on: Fri Sep 19 17:54:02 EDT 2003
  
  By the way, I saw couple of ads in the keyboard magazine saying they could develop perfect pitch. What do u say abt them? I wish I had perfect pitch, shud i go for that ad?
  
  
• From: Jay. (@ 66.28.42.140) on: Fri Sep 19 19:00:28 EDT 2003
  
  Sam, Perfect pitch is not a necessity. But it will definitely give you a very good sense for music. Never tried those courses..got no idea as to how effective they are. One thing is certain tough..its very tough to develop it unless it comes naturally.
  
  
• From: Swamiji (@ 198.102.112.18) on: Fri Sep 19 20:37:57 EDT 2003
  
  I agree with Jay. PP is not a necessity, although very useful to appreciate what you hear, and playback!! On the other hand, RP could be developed with time. You have to practice listening to different intervals and get accustomed to it. I don't have PP myself, although I tried hard at one time to develop it :) Sometimes with memory I am able to get to the right note, sometimes I am 1/2 pitch away either side! I wish I had the ability!! If you find a way to develop PP, please share it with us!
  
  BTW, very good job on composing those using notations alone! You have lots of patience, and I think doing it will make you apreciate the clarity (of notes) and arrangement. Later with practice, you could actually "listen" to the notes when you see it. Keep it up!
  
  There is a small differnce in harmony in Pudhiya Mugam song if you dont mind my telling u. The chords go like this
  
  | G A | D G |
  | D C/D | Em11 A |
  
  I just clipped this portion and uploaded to
  http://geocities.com/kishmu/ninnati1.mid
  
  Let me know ur thoughts!
  
  
• From: Swamiji (@ 12.255.136.14) on: Sat Sep 20 11:11:19 EDT 2003
  
  Heres Anjali Anjali (Duet). I made this sometime back but never got a chance to complete the intro sax part.
  
  http://geocities.com/kishmu/MIDI/Anjali---1.mid
  
  
• From: Sam (@ 69.58.11.20) on: Sat Sep 20 14:16:11 EDT 2003
  
  Kishmu, the main reason i post is to know my mistakes. Thanks for pointing out. I have my part time job now, so I would post again tonite or tommorow abt the corrections.
  
  
• From: D. Raj Sekhar (@ 61.1.203.93) on: Mon Sep 22 01:06:54 EDT 2003
  
  Dear RJay,
  
  Sorry for not replying for the past 5 days as I was not in town. Well, anyway, I would be glad to resume the conversation from the point we had left it. Can we, please? :)
  
  Btw., I remember you saying you were reading some book on Ear Training. Now, my question is, Can Books Help in this Subject? Also, how bout softwares like Ear Master Pro?
  
  - DRS
  
  
• From: D. Raj Sekhar (@ 61.1.203.93) on: Mon Sep 22 01:09:04 EDT 2003
  
  RJay,
  
  I have another question: Does ALL songs have chord progression? (pls. remember i am an amateur).
  
  For example, in Anbe - Ennai kaanavillayae netroadu song from Kadal Desam, I can clearly hear chords played on a piano. But, in songs like Pudichirukku from Saami, I couldn't consciously hear any. Can you help?
  
  - DRS
  
  
• From: D.Raj Sekhar (@ 61.2.236.46) on: Mon Sep 22 10:49:53 EDT 2003
  
  RJay,
  
  Are you there?
  
  
• From: rjay (@ 156.77.105.123) on: Tue Sep 23 10:21:08 EDT 2003
  
  Raj,
  
  I am back here, now!
  
  Can books help? I leave the answer to you because it depends on both the book and what you do with it. Taking a class from an experienced master, is often a much faster way to learn.
  
  I have not heard Ear Master Pro, but software
  is definitely useful for ear training. I have not used any, but I once spent 5 minutes with a software called Functional Ear Trainer and found that it provides prompts and exercises. (basically a series of quizzes). I plan to spend more time with it later in this life!
  
  Regarding chord progression, most songs use chord accompaniment - by way of guitar strumming, guitar arpeggio, piano backing, String section etc. This provides the richness of sound we hear in film music and pop music. Ever since G.Ramanathan and Viswanathan Ramamoorthy, harmony
  accompaniment has been added to Tamil Film Music, but with Ilaiyaraja's coming, it reached new heights because of his deep systematic study of Mozart, Bach and Beethoven traditions. But even before his time, V.Kumar, and many MSV songs have
  good harmonic backing.
  
  When a chord progression is added to a melody, it can distinctly improve the emotional impact.
  
  
  
  
• From: rjay (@ 156.77.105.123) on: Tue Sep 23 10:23:26 EDT 2003
  
  The only Ilaiyaraja song I remember without much harmonic backing is Nitham Nitham Nelluchoru from
  Mullum malarum, sung by a Sappaattu Rami.
  
  
  
• From: D. Raj Sekhar (@ 61.1.203.188) on: Tue Sep 23 11:04:57 EDT 2003
  
  Thanks RJay :) I have a few more questions though... I will post them in a bit.
  
  - DRS
  
  
• From: D. Raj Sekhar (@ 61.1.203.188) on: Tue Sep 23 11:14:29 EDT 2003
  
  Dear RJay,
  
  Can I have your e-mail also? I want to talk a lot to you, just like I talk to Srikanth. Do you mind giving it to me? (mine is DRajSekhar2000@hotmail.com)
  
  - DRS
  
  
• From: rjay (@ 156.77.105.123) on: Tue Sep 23 17:23:05 EDT 2003
  
  rjaymidi at_sign yahoo dot com
  
  
• From: rjay (@ 156.77.105.123) on: Tue Sep 23 17:24:55 EDT 2003
  
  Swamiji
  
  Excellent work on Anjali.
  
  I noticed some innovative doubling. Rich sound.
  The simple steady drum beat (just bass and snare with cabassa) is rocksolid.
  
  
  
• From: Swamiji (@ 198.102.112.18) on: Tue Sep 23 17:32:51 EDT 2003
  
  Thanks Rjay!
  
  
• From: Eswar (@ 210.214.243.190) on: Tue Sep 23 22:57:33 EDT 2003
  
  Talking about harmonics and guitar appregios what about "Ennulle Enulle" from Valli by Maestro. The accompaniment (sp?) reminds you of Bach's fugues. Do they not?
  
  
• From: rjay (@ 156.77.105.122) on: Wed Sep 24 10:25:17 EDT 2003
  
  Yes, Eswar.
  
  Your reference set me thinking on these lines.
  
  Easy and lazy way to add a harmony is to play
  'chord progressions' - strumming a guitar or playing block chords with piano. Depending on the level of musicianship, you can do quite well
  with the three triads alone, (I, IV and V - C F and G for instance in the C major scale, first level). If you venture more you can learn and introduce the minor chords of the scale (VIm, IIm, IIIm - as substitutes for the I and IV and V - for instance Am, Dm and Em - second level). Seventh and ninth chords expand this palette further providing harmonic richness. You can learn
  proven progressions and create good songs.
  
  A maestro, on the other hand, does not use formulae like these. His harmony is a different animal. He writes 'counterpoint'. He writes interwoven lines of melody that work together in harmony. He does not think block or measure, he thinks note by note.
  
  Ennullae is a great song with counterpoints.
  
  Even when Ilaiyaraja decides to use block harmony, he creates sophisticated progressions that make you feel you are hearing counterpoints!
  
  
• From: Srik (@ 64.80.98.165) on: Wed Sep 24 12:59:52 EDT 2003
  
  Ilaiyaraja's chord progression is always a clockwise Harmonic Scale progression.
  imo, This is the proper way to arrange music. Top musicians of the world like Beatles follow this.
  
  They get killer chord progression using this. This is a cycle the harmony starts in a chord and ends the same.
  
  eg:For C major..
  C(tonic) F Bdim E7 Am (Tonic) Dm g7 C
  Aminor is also same, start from Am
  
  There is a cycle of all keys.
  
  when analyzed, you will find that
  Ilaiyaraja's chords fit perfectly in a cycle. We need spot what chord he used and at at what point he shifts with common notes across 2 chords and 90/100 times it will fall in the cycle quite smoothly.
  
  ps:This system was refined in Nashville, they devised a notation that fits any chord progression.
  
  I can go on on this, time permits i will do it..
  
  

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