Raga of song please
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- From: IsaiPriyan (@ 164.164.86.66)
on: Thu Aug 30 04:45:29 EDT 2001
Anand, it's Simhendra Madhyamam
- From: IR Fan (@ )
on: Thu Aug 30 05:52:26 EDT 2001
Anand...i am told that "Paadi Thirintha En Thozhi" from Kakkai Chiraginile is in Simendramadhyam too...sounds so good when you listen to the song (i always wonder how P.Vasu always manages to extract good songs from IR)
- From: MS (@ 129.252.25.204)
on: Thu Aug 30 08:24:19 EDT 2001
IR fan:
neenga unga listla irukkaradhai thiruththi pOttu irundhaa nalla irundhirundhirukkum. Just my humble opinion.
paadi thirindha en thoza...hmmm...avLo impressive aana songnu oslla mudiyaadhu. U should listen to Oranjaaram - kaapi/desh song. SPB plays.
- From: (@ 213.11.117.254)
on:
Macha Machiniye in *STAR* is in Mandhari, I believe....I can't hear all the notes of Panthuvarali in it. Mandhari is SGMPNS SNDPMGRS
As the Arohanam is Amirthavarshini and Avarohanam is Panthuvarali, it is quite a lovely Ragam. There is a Varnam called VANAJAKSHA (not Vanajakshi in Kalyani), in Mandhari Ragam. A Rare Ragam and composition.
- From: IR (@ 4.3.189.239)
on: Thu Aug 30 10:49:59 EDT 2001
Angeli:
Mandhari notes are:
Sa Ri1 Gs3 Ma2 Pa Ni2 Sa (Rishabham included)
Sa Ni2 Pa Ma2 Ga3 Ri1 Sa (No Dhaivatham)
Infact the starting line of the Vanajaksha varnam itself goes something like this (Sa Ri Ga; GaRi Ga Ma Pa;)
Other known/popular krithis in Mandhari are Ninnu Jeppa kaarana, Paralokhabhaya
hmmm ... interesting to note that a film song is composed in this raga! I need to definitely listen to this song.. Thanks for the info!
- From: Vidhya (@ 12.148.251.114)
on: Thu Aug 30 11:14:40 EDT 2001
Angeli: I am able to hear dha1 in the song"machiniyae".
IR: "Machiniye" is the same tune as "Rithu aa gayi ree" in Earth.
In "Narumugaiyae" the last line of unni "neeyaa" has Neelambari.
maaNd varra lines point out paNNaen...
- From: MS (@ 129.252.25.204)
on: Thu Aug 30 11:34:05 EDT 2001
Jsut fopund out..kaNgaLAl kaadhal Oviyam bu Jikki / TMS is in maaND.
- From: MS (@ 129.252.25.204)
on: Thu Aug 30 11:34:14 EDT 2001
Just found out..kaNgaLAl kaadhal Oviyam bu Jikki / TMS is in maaND.
- From: IR (@ 4.3.189.239)
on:
Vidh - I dont think "neeyaa" alone is enuf to say the song has traces of neelambari - there is not clear usage of that raga. Infact if you listen carefully - Bombay Jay would emphasise Ri3 (Neeyaaaa - that yaaa = Ri3 when she sings)
Maand: first rendu vaarthai marandhu pochchu - but this line - ...... serndha uyir thuli pol anbudai nejam marandhadhenna"
- From: A (@ 213.11.117.254)
on:
Vidhya/IR: If you look at Raga Pravaham book, you will find that Mandhari Ragam takes a few different forms, off the top of my head, one is SGMPNS SNDPMGRS....I may be mistaken... It had the D1 coming down in a version, making the Avarohanam Panthuvarali....
Check it out IR, I may be wrong....My initial ideas of the song pointed to Mandhari, as it had touches of Amirthavarshini and then also Panthuvarali!
- From: IR (@ 4.3.189.239)
on:
Angeli - would definitely listen to the song tomorrow - cannot play from here!
but regarding Mandhaari, I am pretty sure about the Rishabam and absence of Dhaivatham. Would you mind referring to that book and post the different versions?
Thnx in advance
- From: Anand (@ 216.87.103.221)
on:
Thank you IsaiPriyan and IR fan...I wonder how you guys manage to identify raagas so accurately. I have just begun and am finding it really hard.
Thanks again.
- From: IR_Fan (@ 202.88.154.169)
on: Fri Aug 31 00:56:23 EDT 2001
Hi MS, Vidhya, IR and all carnatic buffs...:-)
what ragas have been used in the following songs...the film is a new one named 'kadhal saadhi', music by IR and directed by kasturi raaja...
1) Kathe Kathe En Kaadhoram Sollu - ( a lovely lilting piece sung by someone called Karthik...Lovely IR touch) - what raga is it? please help
2) Naethu Kodutha Vaartha Onnu - (again a solo song sung by Karthik...)
3) Enna Maranthalum ( two versions - one by IR, another by Mahathi...much in line with SETHU's enge sellum intha paathai...)
Will you guys help?
- From: Angeli (@ 213.11.117.254)
on: Fri Aug 31 03:22:18 EDT 2001
IR: I am off on holiday and don't have my Raga Parvaham Book on me.... Will get back to you on this one when I get back! Hope you will get a chance to hear this song in the meantime...Sorry for the delay...
- From: IR Fan (@ 202.88.154.169)
on: Sat Sep 1 01:24:25 EDT 2001
Hi MS, Vidhya, IR and all carnatic buffs...:-)
what ragas have been used in the following songs...the film is a new one named 'kadhal saadhi', music by IR and directed by kasturi raaja...
1) Kathe Kathe En Kaadhoram Sollu - ( a lovely lilting piece sung by someone called Karthik...Lovely IR touch) - what raga is it? please help
2) Naethu Kodutha Vaartha Onnu - (again a solo song sung by Karthik...)
3) Enna Maranthalum ( two versions - one by IR, another by Mahathi...much in line with SETHU's enge sellum intha paathai...)
Will you guys help?
- From: R.S.Balaji (@ 210.214.216.48)
on: Mon Sep 3 13:59:48 EDT 2001
Folks,
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Please take a look at it and let post your comments.
The URL is :
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- From: IR (@ 38.220.167.222)
on: Tue Sep 4 11:48:43 EDT 2001
IR Fan - where can we find those songs :)
- From: haris (@ 148.87.1.170)
on: Tue Sep 4 20:38:51 EDT 2001
can somebody tell what is the raga of the following a/a [s g3 m1 d1 n2 s] and same way back for avarohanam?
- From: IR (@ 4.3.191.157)
on: Tue Sep 4 20:57:30 EDT 2001
haris - that would be Sallapam - Vakulabharanam Janyam
- From: IR_Fan (@ 202.88.154.169)
on: Wed Sep 5 01:05:48 EDT 2001
IR...thanks for asking ,..these songs are from movie 'KADHAL SAATHI' music by IR...tHE LINKS ARE BELOW...please tell me the raga
1) Kathe Kathe En Kaadhoram Sollu - ( a lovely lilting piece sung by someone called Karthik...Lovely IR touch) - what raga is it? please help - http://www.raajangahm.com/real/songs/k-saathi/song2.ram
2) Naethu Kodutha Vaartha Onnu - (again a solo song sung by Karthik...) - http://www.raajangahm.com/real/songs/k-saathi/song6.ram
3) Enna Maranthalum ( two versions - one by IR, another by Mahathi...much in line with SETHU's enge sellum intha paathai...) - http://www.raajangahm.com/real/songs/k-saathi/song3.ram
- From: IR_Fan (@ 202.88.154.169)
on: Wed Sep 5 01:15:24 EDT 2001
IR,MS, VIDHYA....i would also like the ragas of these new songs of IR...
1)Film - Kutti
Chinna Maharani - http://www.raajangahm.com/real/songs/kutti/song01-ls.ram
2)Film - Aandaan Adimai
Anne Anne Karuppane - http://www.raajangahm.com/real/songs/a-adimai/song1.ram
3)Film - Aandaan Adimai
Undhan Raajiyathil - http://www.raajangahm.com/real/songs/a-adimai/song3.ram
- From: Reena (@ 213.1.63.124)
on: Fri Sep 7 03:05:43 EDT 2001
Kadhal Saathi is simply superb.Wonderful choice again by the maestro.
- From: MS (@ 129.252.25.204)
on: Sat Sep 8 03:05:25 EDT 2001
IR fan:
Frankly none of the above songs except the last one seem to impress me now. But comments like these, AFAIK, can invite criticizms and lengthy pointless discussions. So..ingayE niruththikkarEn :-)
A comment on the last song. It starts in Gowri Manohari. The first line reminds me very much of the first line of the song "indha oomai nenjin OsaigaL kaadhil kELaadho" and "ivaL oru iLanguruvi". This is a standard scale that IR uses for many songs. U will be reminded of "chinna chinna vaNNakkuyil" and "andhi veyyil ponnudhirum" from uLLadakkam (mallu), "ponvaanam panner thoovudhu innEram" and more...
- From: Rajesh R S (@ 210.214.17.65)
on: Sat Sep 8 08:47:52 EDT 2001
Friends..
I am a newcomer.And I thank MS for introducing this site.(MS ..you refered this site at forum hub)
Thank u so much.
I wish to clarify whether these songs are AABHERI based.(If not on which raagas they are based upon)
Aayiram Malargalae malarungal(Niram maaraadha pookkal)
Ennodu...(THANNAANAA)... KAnnodu ...en kannaana kanna ..(Cant remember the words)
(P Suseela/Anbukku naan adimai)
MAala kkarukkaalil jodi kkuyil unna thaan thaeduthae kannukkullae vaa vaa nenjukkullae po po(\neethiyin
maru pakkum)
Indha vennilaa eeramaanadhu oodal kondathaal oramaanadhu thoongum podhu penmai enna(jayachandran)
Raj seethaaraaman ..and p suseela duet from Vaazhkai( Cant remember the words)
Azhagiya Kannae Uravugal
Raasathi Unna kaanaadha nenju(Vaidhagi kathirundhall)
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Vaseegara un nenjini..(Minnale)
En iniya pon Nilaavae(Moodupani)
Are these 2 songs based on same raaga?
- From: MS (@ 129.252.25.204)
on: Sun Sep 9 02:03:54 EDT 2001
Just a word about the 2 songs - marugElara oh raghava (jeyanthashree) and paNdureethi gOlu( hamsanaadham). Does anybody feel that thyagaraja has recycled the sandhams ? I do :-)
It seems like one can sing marugElara in the tune of paNdureethi gOlu peacefully :-)
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