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Yesudas or SPB - who's the most versatile ?

Topic started by SK (@ 203.197.141.190) on Sat Feb 24 08:49:09 EST 2001.
All times in EST +10:30 for IST.

Dear friend,

Many of my Kerala friends here are hc YD fans. Some of them have heard only a little of SPB. He is just an other singer for them. But, I feel that SPB is far more versatile than any singer in TFM( why ? --in contemporary IFM also - past or present) This is not to belittle YD , who is one of the gifted singer. I just want to throw this to your discussion. Post your comments please.

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Responses:

• From: Rasigan (@ 142.154.131.49) on: Sun Feb 25 00:43:53 EST 2001
  
  Please check the following links:
  
  http://www.indiaserver.com/thehindu/1999/08/13/stories/09130706.htm
  
  http://indiaserver.com/thehindu/2001/02/15/stories/09150705.htm
  
  http://www.the-hindu.com/2001/02/08/stories/09080706.htm
  
  
• From: SK (@ 203.197.141.190) on: Sun Feb 25 08:19:25 EST 2001
  
  I don't deny that from HINDU. But, all these were news of classical music. I am talking about film music and SPB has not learnt classical music. Still he could sing the most difficult songs comfortably.
  
  
• From: Rasigan (@ 142.154.130.133) on: Sun Feb 25 11:29:27 EST 2001
  
  http://www.indiaserver.com/thehindu/2001/02/23/stories/0423404v.htm
  
  
• From: SK (@ 203.197.141.190) on: Mon Feb 26 10:01:52 EST 2001
  
  rasigan:
  http://www.indiaserver.com/thehindu/2001/02/23/stories/0423404v.htm
  Come on. This is a malayalam films award function. Don't quote such examples. Take a commom platform and judge both. SPB has won several awards in AP, TN , Karnataka.
  
  He is the only human being in the world to have sung more that 40000 film songs.
  He has got voice for all emotions.
  
  
• From: karthi (@ 63.21.181.12) on: Mon Feb 26 23:44:47 EST 2001
  
  sk, unga posting-la enakku thOnina oru chinna correction:)) (thappa eduthukaadheenga!)
  
  "Still he (SPB) could sing the most difficult (classical) songs comfortably"
  
  -- EvLO difficult song-aa irundhaalum, kural vaLam irundhu, nalla - I mean romba nalla - practice panna, swara sthaanangaL pidi pattudum sk. So, comfortably-ngara vaarththaikkE idamille! Ennaa, recording perfect-aa varra varai vida maattaangaLE? Adhaavadhu kashtap pattaavadhu, "comfortable"-aa paadaraa maadhiri kOndu vandhuda mudiyum!
  
  Lata stage-la paadaradha (TV-la) paarthirukkeengaLa? Mugam sila samayam "naalu kONal"-aavadhu aagum, kashtamaana sangadhigaLai pOdumpOdhu - aana voice-la andha effort-E theriyaadhu! Ofcourse, one cannot forget the songs of Shankaraabaranam by SPB!
  
  To contribute to the thread...it goes without saying (just by hearing) that SPB is the most versatile of all male singers I have ever heard. Ofcourse, we are here talking about versatility and NOT fluidity of the voice - illaiyaa? There are some genres which other singers could do better in Tamil. For eg., the rustic flavour of folk songs is brought out better by MV. The classical songs rendered better by KJY.
  
  Yet SPB would definitely would do better (in genres in which he's not as good as others) than others compared to what others would do in genres in which they are not as good as others!
  
  (KuzhappittEnaa? Adhaavadhu, SPB-yOda classical singing will be faaaar better than KJY's dappanguthu singing. Similarly, SPB's romantic singing will be faaaar better than MV's romantic singing etc)
  
  
• From: karthi (@ 63.21.181.12) on: Mon Feb 26 23:48:12 EST 2001
  
  sorry... read it as "SPB's graamiya singing" in the last line...
  
  
• From: Rasigan (@ 142.154.131.83) on: Tue Feb 27 02:12:32 EST 2001
  
  SK:
  
  It all depends on how you define "versatile"! I gave you links to a report on an award for movie singing, release of an Indi-pop album and the release of a fusion album with international artists. All these happened in a period of two weeks. I also gave you a review of a Classical concert. And the person in question is a 61-year old singer who has sung in almost all Indian and several forign languages, won seven national awards and a huge number of state awards, had several concerts at the UN, was accompanied by Zubin Mehta's orchestra, Junoon, and other international artists, and has recorded a lot more than 40,000 songs!. I know, you are only talking about being "versatile" in TFM, whatever that means.
  
  Please do not misunderstand me. I am a great fan of SPB. He is another one of the most talented singers from India. Why do you want to compare them? SPB's achievements in the music field are also admirable. The respect and admiration that these two great artists have for each other should tell you that this kind of petty comparisons are demeaning to both of them.
  
  A few comments about your opening statement. There are several Tamils, Telugus, North Indians and people all over the world who think Yesudas is one of the greatest singes ever, not just your Kerala friends. Most Keralites have no idea of what Yesudas has done in other languages or the extend of his involvement in the field of music. Obviously, you do not know that either.
  
  I am not trying to pick a fight or argument with you. No offence meant, OK!
  
  Bye!!
  
  
• From: Kupps (@ 156.153.255.134) on: Tue Feb 27 02:49:23 EST 2001
  
  Rasigan,
  
  Versatality in TFM is the topic given by SK.
  
  In that aspect if we see then what SK claims is geniune. At the max to get some example for SPB/KJY/PJ/MV we can go to HFM, TeFM, KFM, MFM not on pure classicals.
  
  Apart from Classical touch songs, folk songs, SPB had sung many pop kind of songs better than KJY. IMHO, KJY surpasses SPB only in classical touch songs. But as far as TFM (for that matter any IFM) is concerned, for classical touch songs, SPB does not lag very far behind KJY, we can say he is immediately-next to KJY. Whereas in other forte (like folk, dappanguthhu, romance, popish etc) the difference is wide and SPB is in the better-side.
  
  
• From: SK (@ 203.197.141.190) on: Tue Feb 27 10:12:21 EST 2001
  
  kupps is right.
  Rasigan. No ill feelings. I just wanted to have your comments on the versatality of these two singers in tfm only. It is an eternal truth that in classical music SPB is 0 if compared with KJY. That is Y I said TFM.
  
  More over, SPBs range of songs, be it folk, romantic or semiclassical he sounds much more sweet and manly. Not to belittle KJY, he has a velvet voice which suits certain situations only but TF contains millions of emotions for which I feel that SPB has done enough justice with his voice than anybody.
  
  Continue please.
  
  
• From: Edward Schultz (@ 212.153.190.3) on: Wed Feb 28 12:37:24 EST 2001
  
  karthi
  Keep lata out of this topic.She is past her prime.
  Dont in any dreams think SPB can do things better than her based on that stage performance.She is nearing 70 man. I can (and millions of others can
  vouch for this)list n's of her songs of her prime which SP wont dare to sing. This is not to de-mean SP as he is one of the greatest indian singers (not the best certainly).
  But the greats and commoners who understands and knows indian music rate her the best,
  including the people u think are the best.
  
  
  
  
• From: Swamiji (@ 198.102.112.201) on: Wed Feb 28 13:08:25 EST 2001
  
  Your wife or his wife...who is more versatile? How does this sound?
  
  
• From: Fliflo (@ 146.186.113.254) on: Wed Feb 28 13:39:26 EST 2001
  
  That sounds really very bad. A poor, low-level taste.
  
  
• From: Swamiji (@ 198.102.112.201) on: Wed Feb 28 13:41:26 EST 2001
  
  Fliflo, you just described the title of this thread.
  
  
• From: Fliflo (@ 146.186.113.254) on: Wed Feb 28 13:44:40 EST 2001
  
  Definitely, your description or your anology is worser..
  
  
• From: Swamiji (@ 198.102.112.201) on: Wed Feb 28 13:46:22 EST 2001
  
  Fliflo, I dont care if it makes sense...Buh bye...
  
  
• From: eden (@ 61.1.250.185) on: Wed Feb 28 23:59:09 EST 2001
  
  `most versatile'...are there degrees in versatility, can one please define
  a) what is versatile singing in TFM
  b) what is `more versatile' &
  c) what is `most versatile'
  Then probably comparison of SPB & KJY can happen objectively...
  
  ...if we are only talking about `variety' (folk, carnatic, light, pop, hindustani etc.), it is very difficult to choose based on abilties as once again bias, taste etc. are going to dictate the discussion (though quantities will favor SPB heavily)...
  
  
• From: e (@ 61.1.250.185) on: Thu Mar 1 00:02:38 EST 2001
  
  sorry for the typo, abilties to read `abilities':(
  
  
• From: Trend (@ 216.68.113.227) on: Thu Mar 1 09:55:15 EST 2001
  
  Since some of you think KJY is not so versatile .Of the opportunities KJY got ,is there any type of song(folk,carnatic or whatever)he hasn't done full justice to?
  Is there any song he managed to spoil on his own?
  Other than few kinds of "Therukoyile" and limited opportunities comparitively is there any thing else not on his side?
  
  
• From: rajaneesh (@ ) on: Sun Apr 15 03:49:08 EDT 2001
  
  SPB is a great singer but KJY is one step ahead beacuse if u listen both voice v can find out KYJ's sound is better and he can sing all kind of
  songs. In indian music there only two legendry singers one is great Muhammad rafi and KJY. Rafi is one step head KJY, KJY is better than SPB.
  SPB is failed in hindi only few songs in his credit but for KJY lots of hindi hits........classical,melody,happy,love,fast, semi classical all varitey u can hear in KYJ's songs...i didn't hear any classical based songs by SPB.
  
  
• From: LV (@ 203.197.82.48) on: Sun Apr 15 04:41:34 EDT 2001
  
  readers,
  
  stop talking about number of songs - 40000 or 4000.It does not matter. In fact,had KJY and SPB sung only their (say) 400 best, they still would have been the geniuses they are.
  
  
• From: m krishnan (@ 203.199.130.114) on: Sun Apr 15 04:54:29 EDT 2001
  
  readers,
  
  Please keep Lata out of this debate. She is a lady, and SPB and KJY are mn, and male and female voices should not be compared. Moreover she is NOT a TFM singer.
  
  Someone here said that Lata's stage performances lack life - but the fact she did not need it. She is past her prime, but take your time to listen to Lekin,Maachis,her ghazal albums with Jagjit Singh, Rudaali and a few albums that she sang at the age of 62 plus.
  
  Her voice is totally spoilt now - yet listen to 'O paalanhare' from ARRs Lagaan, and 'Ek tu hi sahaara' from ARRs Pukaar before talking about her. Lata is as good and as versatile as these two, whether at classical,light classical or anything else. KJY and SPB dont respect her for nothing.
  
  
• From: eden (@ 210.214.5.200) on: Mon Apr 16 01:30:53 EDT 2001
  
  stop talking about number of songs - 40000 or 4000.It does not matter
  
  Quantity does matter, IMO...otherwise how to rate consistency...we'll then be comparing one time wonders with masters.
  
  

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