Topic started by Ravi Krishna (@ starwars.informix.com) on Fri Jan 9 20:57:38 EST 1998.
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- From: Ravi Krishna (@ starwars.informix.com)
on: Fri Jan 9 21:07:12 EST 1998
Guys,
My wife recently brought some early 80s songs of
Raja from India.
One such film was "ninaivillam nitya". Greatsongs.
However the recording quality of the song was
PATHETIC. There is no other word to describe it.
I have to set the volume of my sytem high to hear it. Who is to blame. Raja or the recording copmany ECHO , which I believe is Raja's own company.
In fact all the tapes during the period of early 80s were quite bad in recording .
Surprisingly the recording of Priya/Johnny was
much better even though it was in late 70s. One
reason could be is that it was recorded on IRENCO
tapes and not useless ECHO tapes.
Raja gave some of the best music I have ever heard
in early 80s , only to be marred by abysmal recording. Heck even 70s hindi film songs by R D Burman were better recorded.
On a related note , I heard the songs of Grahan
(Hindi) . Karthik Raja has done a wonderful job
with the recording of the songs. He sounded as
good as Rahman. Unfortunately Karthik has to improve on his tunes a lot.
- From: Ravi Krishna (@ starwars.informix.com)
on: Fri Jan 9 21:10:10 EST 1998
Raja's non filmi album India 24 hours is also
not recorded as well as Rahman songs.
Perhaps recording is not Raja's forte.
- From: MPR (@ dyn07.iacc-t23.ndsu.nodak.edu)
on: Fri Jan 9 21:37:05 EST 1998
Ravi Krishna:
I guess you would have got the cassettes which are coming now with two movies in one cassette. I agree the recording is pathetic. But when that movie was released, LP records were so popular and you have to listen them to believe it. It's really great. Still I'm having those records without a scratch. They also released the album in cassettes at that time and they are good too. so I don't think the problem is in the recording, but in the reproduction.
One more thing, ECHO company is not Ilayaraaja's. The owner is in NY and his name is Parthasarathy. Ilayaraaja doesn't have much facility to record songs in high quality, I think. Hopefully, his Raaja Music Universal Studios will take care of that department soon.
- From: Ravi Krishna (@ starwars.informix.com)
on: Fri Jan 9 22:23:09 EST 1998
MPR,
May be you are right.
What about CD's. Are they better.
- From: MPR (@ dyn07.iacc-t23.ndsu.nodak.edu)
on: Fri Jan 9 22:47:08 EST 1998
Ravi Krishna:
I haven't tried them on CDs. May be some other netters who tried could help you.
- From: gopal (@ 1cust158.tnt1.sarasota.fl.gt.uu.net)
on: Sat Jan 10 00:37:00 EST 1998
I have Raajas songs between 76 and 80 on Sony recorded in AbuDhabi! They are in great shape even after repeated use. It depends on the cassette quality. More, everyone knows there was a great boom in tech. only after 80s. Raja is not to blame. I have I24 cd. It is just great. For a guy who brought so many changes as regards stereo sound, (Priya), bgm scores, etc., recording must have been his prime area, as poor recording means poor audience. Blame tech. not IR. I am now listening to re-re-recorded songs of KAdhalukku MariyAdhai. The quality is very very good. Echo fooled us by selling two/three movie songs in one cassette. In fact, echo's master tapes (cassettes that came with just one movie)were used by recording centers, retailers for recording purposes!! Exactly a year after any Raaja's movie release, Echo would simply add two or three movies and sell the cassette at 29inr in those days. I have even returned the cassettes in anger, blaming poor recording quality. Pyramid came out with
better cassettes, but started following echo as regards two/three movies in one cassette stuff.
Early IR songs of 76-80 have not been that good even on CDs. I have AnnakiLI, MoonrAmpirai, I OOnjaLadugiradhu.....collection, and they sound bad.
Those songs that came on Pyramid CDs (IRs 40 best,...) are very good.
- From: SATHIYAVAGEESWARAN (@ client-151-200-126-27.bellatlantic.net)
on: Sat Jan 10 05:17:05 EST 1998
The name of title would have been milder.
- From: srikanth (@ 119.minneapolis-06.mn.dial-access.att.net)
on: Sat Jan 10 10:19:59 EST 1998
Hi ,
This is one of the major cause for Rajas decline in TFM, but just wait for few more monhts..
Raja dream studio in madras full be fully functional.
Of past raja did not concetrate on Recording.
AR spends 50% of time in MIX and balance. He uses Sridar - Top recording engineer in the country.
Recording Mix is like handwriting, how ever good you write - if your handwriting is scrwed up..
you don't get 100% of what you deserve.
Infact Raja has used Calvier console when he was in prasad.There are only few Calviers in the world (MJ uses it)
AR beats everyone in recording and Mixing.
(Aaal Pathee Adai Patheee)
Srikanth
- From: gopal (@ 1cust127.tnt1.sarasota.fl.gt.uu.net)
on: Sat Jan 10 10:49:33 EST 1998
Yes we know. ARR is a good sound engineer. Raja is a good musician.
- From: RAJAN (@ proxy-152.iap.bryant.webtv.net)
on: Sat Jan 10 11:19:46 EST 1998
Srikath:
So you are accepting that ARR is a good sound engineer:)))))
Srikanthukku IR decline aavathil appadi yenna santhoasamo theriyavillai! Ella postinglayume athai roamba valiyuruthi koandirukiraar.
IR, studio mattum katti koandu irukka villai, avar music college onedrum aarambikka ullar. Intha irandume asia-vileye peria alavil irukkum endru solliyirukkiraar. Intha irandume avarudaya kangal.
KR interview-il irunthu:
Kadantha 3 varudangalaaga avar intha irandu kangalukkagave avar padangalukku isai amaippathu illai. Mealum saraasariyaaga thinamum oruvaraavathu vanthu isai amaikkumbadi varpurithik kondirukkiraargal, aanaal studio, music college visayamaaga avar adikkadi veli naadu sella veandi iruppathaal isai amaikka sammathipathillai.
Inthe maathiri thaan Kamal's KURUTHIPUNAL padathirkku panna mudiyaamal poaivittathu. kamal, antha padam release aavatharkku 2 vaaram munnal thaan kondu vanthaar, appoluthu appa kannada padam re-recordingil irunthaar, athai mudiththu vittu velinaadu sella veandi irunthathu, athanaal thaan antha padathirkku avar isai amaikka villai...!
Ref: THINA THANTHI (jan 97)
Yenna SRIKANTH intha visayamellam KR ungalidam sollavillaya? :)))))))))
- From: r.ravi (@ m30.pppmad.vsnl.net.in)
on: Sat Jan 10 11:42:51 EST 1998
As far as CD's of IR is concerned, yaa they are good. I bought a CD of "Payanagal mudivathillai and Mouna Ragam" combo, and it was really good. Its released by Oriental Records,NY and they quite a collection of Raja's immortal numbers. Go ahead try them.
- From: Srikanth (@ 159.minneapolis-07.mn.dial-access.att.net)
on: Sat Jan 10 12:50:36 EST 1998
HI,
Rajan :
I DONT AGREE WHAT YOU SAY :
MY AIM IS NOT TO SEE DOWNFALL OF RAJA.
I SCRIBBLE ABOUT EVERY ONE, I AM NOT BIASED ABOUT RAJA LIKE MOST OF THE FANS HERE.
I PIN-POINT HIS MISTAKES...
SO IT DOES NOT MEAN I WILL BE HAPPY ABOUT IR'S DOWNFALL, MY POSTINGS CANNOT BRING DOWN IR OR ANYBODY FOR THAT MATTER:
I LOVE RAJA'S SCORES,
BUT THIS DOES NOT MEAN OTHERS DONT HAVE TALENT AT ALL - ALL THE FANS HERE IN THIS SITE SPEAK AS THOUGHT ALL OTHERS DONT HAVE TALENT - IT IS ONLY RAJA-- THEY EVEN ABUSE DIRECTORS AND ACTORS...
(-PEOPLE LIKE MSV IS EVEN TRASHED, IN SIMPLE WORDS MSV IS AN INSITUTION, HE HAS DONE MORE THAN 1300 MOVIES IN MANY LANGUAGES...RESPECT IT)
SIMILARly AR-A YOUNGSTER HAS DONE SOMETHING...
APPRICIATE IT.
)
I WILL BE IN MADRAS SOON, IF RAJA PERMITS I WILL VISIT HIS NEW RECORDING STUDIO, I WILL TRY TO WRITE ABOUT IT WHEN I AM BACK
REGARDING KR:
He told many thinks which I dont discuss or want to discuss with others..
- From: SATHIYAVAGEESWARAN (@ client-151-200-127-146.bellatlantic.net)
on: Sat Jan 10 15:40:08 EST 1998
The argument of many guys is not that other people do not have talent at all. Their argument is their talent is not comparable to Raja's talent whoever he is. There is no absolute measurement, only relative. For many people this truth is bitter. That is why they are happy about Raja's fall in market.
YAANAI PADUTHTHALUM KUDHIRAI MATTAM
- From: MPR (@ dyn07.iacc-t23.ndsu.nodak.edu)
on: Sat Jan 10 16:29:02 EST 1998
Srikanth:
It won't take much time to beat ARR in recording, ARR uses synthesizers for composing songs. Take others who are using synthesizers Karthik raja, Adithyan, Deva, Sirpi and Vidya sagar and compare with them. I would say most of them are almost close to ARR's recording quality in atleast one film.
Karthik raja - Ullaasam
Adithyan - Seevalapperi pAndi
Deva - Aasai
Sirpi - never heard any of his album
Vidya sagar - Jaihind
So I think if you use synthesizers and digital recording, you will get high quality. If you spend more time, there is no wonder you will get it. I assume it's very tough to get the same quality if you use a live orchestra. I am sure evenif IR comes with good recording, you won't like it.
and what about 'Colonial cousins'? They didn't use ARR for recording but still it quality is great. So this is my opinion, recording quality is definitely achievable one and anybody can do a better job in this area, what's so great about it!!!
- From: jsri@worldnet.att.net (@ 163.minneapolis-06.mn.dial-access.att.net)
on: Sat Jan 10 16:55:49 EST 1998
HI ,
If you call Aasi , jaihind etc.. as good recording
I am sorry- i cant talk further...
(The keyelement in recording is Balancing the sounds -- that gives the clarity of each and every sound (note) played ---)
No Indian musician has attained that Except Rahaman.
Hear Yani--- Same recording quality (not the music) can be heard in Rahaman's recording.
Hear Zubin metha and Hear "how to name it"
you will know the difference..
You have mentioned all the other mds other than Raja in your list of good recording...
The topic is Raja's poor quality recording..
proving this - IR is not present in your list..
Srikanth
- From: MPR (@ dyn07.iacc-t23.ndsu.nodak.edu)
on: Mon Jan 12 14:17:56 EST 1998
Srikanth:
I will get back to you soon.
gopal:
Is it possible to purchase those Sony tapes in US?
- From: Gopal (@ 1cust141.tnt1.sarasota.fl.gt.uu.net)
on: Mon Jan 12 23:17:26 EST 1998
MPR
NO! May be I shall give you the AbuDhabi address and lets both try there! may be they may have updated collection too!!
- From: malai (@ 167.16.55.101)
on: Tue Jan 13 16:16:22 EST 1998
If u want to know about IRs recording...
then buy pyramid CDs(3pack) IRs greatest 40 hits
the songs and recording r TOO GOOD...
(yendrum iniyavai)
compare to Ratchagan CD
(I really wonder!!! ..is it tamil songs??!!)
- From: SRIKANTH (@ 193.minneapolis-06.mn.dial-access.att.net)
on: Tue Jan 13 19:26:59 EST 1998
Hi mALAI
Buy Ratchagan from Pyramid...(in India)
Srikanth
- From: r.ravi (@ m32.pppmad.vsnl.net.in)
on: Thu Jan 15 06:13:46 EST 1998
Buying Pyramid Cassettes in INDIA or ABROAD, doesnt matter, is ratchagan songs in TAMIL ?
- From: bs (@ neptune.bt.com)
on: Thu Jan 15 15:22:11 EST 1998
ARR isn't MD for Tamil films.. He has gone GLOBAL.. See you can get an ARR CD/cassette / Minidisc/LD/LP etc etc.. in any US pattithotti...
So he is great.. His recordings R the best and
intended for a global audience.. So he composes
with Tamilians,Northies,US fellas etc.. etc..in
mind and scores a Tamil/Hindi/US/Rock/Fusion/ Fission etc.. etc.. into one album.. One should be happy that one can get a whole lot in this one CD
immortal - Ratchagan.. He is a genius/wonderboy/
whizkid/from another world(alien?) just to save our TFM monopolised by a guy named IR.. Let's
worship the messiah...Can we suggest him to svae hte world from the clutches of William H Gates as
well..
Sorry friends for the deviation..Hearing the word
Ratchagan brings somethings in mind thats all..
- From: mannAru (@ ns.arraycomm.com)
on: Fri Jan 16 23:01:28 EST 1998
hi,
The recording quality of CD's (Oriental Records
have most of the IR's movies) is not all that
bad. I have about 5-6 CD's of them.
In fact i have a 10 year old echo cassette
which is still good. It is our bad luck
some of the IR's 80's films are not good
in recording.(e.g) Ninaivellam Nitya.
Such a good music(good amount of guitar work)
I also blame HMV for having
low quality recording of IR's 70's songs.
It is pathetic. They cut some songs in the middle.
Volume goes up and down in the middle of the
song. In the backgound 100 vadas are being
fried.
Anbudan
mannAru
- From: RAJAN (@ proxy-164.iap.bryant.webtv.net)
on: Fri Jan 16 23:30:20 EST 1998
HMV CD's and Cassettes are verrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrry worst in the world.
- From: Srikanth (@ 99.minneapolis-06.mn.dial-access.att.net)
on: Sat Jan 17 21:24:17 EST 1998
HI Rajan
Your are 200% correct---
Srikanth
- From: Aravind (@ 202.42.152.9)
on: Mon Jan 19 04:45:18 EST 1998
mannaru
I have also noticed HMV cutting a few songs. But they have a standard disclaimer saying that some of the songs may be edited to fit the cassette duration.
They are also noted for wrong info. The cassette for 'buvanaa oru kELvikkuRi' says that the MD is MSV!!!!
- From: Nithin Sreedevan (@ nc.pr.mcs.net)
on: Mon Jan 19 23:17:58 EST 1998
My Dear Friends In Rajadhi Raja:
Raja's is trying to emphasise: 'recaarding mukyamille, porull thaan mukyam" Tuneay kellu, athille ollinjikkittu irrukura sathathai yethukku venum" Athey thedinallum, nan podamatten!!
So, guys listen to his melodies and yenjoy his creativity just as we enjoy idli, vadai, sambar with our hands! Not with the clangs of the spoon, fork and aaal that naansens!!
Jokes apart, I agree that Raja's songs needed some more work regarding sound effects. That is a lot more effort. If that was the case we would Raja doing 2 or 3 films like ARRahman does. Which we cannot imagine. Nyenatchu kuda paarka kudatha vishayam, Illaya?
Super songs that would been the songs of this century and next several centuries would have been, if there was some special recording:
Ninaithaal Innikkum Nalla Nerum Seyerndhu Varum
Vala Yosai, Kala, kala vena
Mudhal Mudhalalka kadhal duet pada Vandhen
O Nenjame Idhu Un Ragame
Puthum Pudhu Kaalai, Ponn Idhazh Vella
and many hundred others
- From: Srikanth (@ 195.minneapolis-06.mn.dial-access.att.net)
on: Mon Jan 19 23:56:20 EST 1998
Hi
Mr.Nithin
Recording is one of an important aspect of a song..Have you seen the advertisement for Rasaya
---Recorded in Bombay with 24 tracks digital...
etc..etc...
According to your arugument Advertisement should have been hear good melodies from Raja..
But...
Recording Rumna mukiyam....
Athu illena elame poota case....(Sorry for using this language), but it is the fact..
You had told AR is doing only few films---- because ---> he is very costly ----
he uses his studio , his equipments...etc..etc..
Works at his own pace...producers are ready to wait... Doing 30 films per year is not a big deal , Deva does that...
I agree with you - the old songs you have mentioned would sound much much better if the recording had been good... Rajas recording was better than MSV's.
Now the trend has changed..people talk about recording and sound quality,
IN FACT WE HAVE BEEN DISCUSSING ABOUT THIS FOR A month now...
I know few MDS who confirms about the studio etc..
before accepting a movie..
They are ready to wait for months to record in a good studio , VGP/Media Artists are booked 10months in Advance...
I am going to put my article on Recording gadgets and how it has been evolving... I did this for INDIAN EXPRESS long time ago...
I am preparing it once again , will be on my web site soon. http://home.att.net/~jsri
Thanks
Srikanth
- From: k.r.ravi (@ 219.middletown-52.va.dial-access.att.net)
on: Sun Mar 22 03:36:59 EST 1998
Hello srikanth,
If recording is really that matters, what if i make deva to score a album recorded in the best studios of HOLLYWOOD, will you listen to it , ignoring others ?
C,mon man, recording is a purely a technical fact that arose just a decades back, but music was omnipresent rigt from BIG BANG of the universe.So, if raja's songs are not recorded well, let it be, but you cant compare the musical beauty of his songs with other crap songs just because they are recorded. well. You proclaim yourself as a composer so i think i need not tell these things to you.Creation of a song and recording that song in a medium are two entirely different aspects. For example, Kaadhalukuu mariyaadhai may not bet recorded as well as rakshagan but KM bursted all the charts, so what do you think people went in for recording or Melody ? I feel sorry that i am talking these things to a composer.
- From: Shankar Ramakrishnan (@ sdn-ts-011casjosp14.dialsprint.net)
on: Mon May 4 03:47:57 EDT 1998
I am new here and kind of late to this thread, I guess. But I have always been interested in remastering some of the oldies of MSV, A.M. Raja, etc. I have listened to the current CD recordings and have found most to be pathetic, worse than even cassette recordings. I suspect whoever did the CD mastering just used a plain retail cassette instead of a studio master and didn't do a good job either. When I came from India, I had recorded a lot of songs from Vividh Bharathi, and frankly have found them to be of better quality than my friend's CD collection.
Does anyone know if the original master cuts are still lying somewhere in the studios? If they are, would the people who own the rights be cooperative in letting someone with an expertise in digital remastering do it? (No, I don't mean myself.) Also, if the originals are in 4/8 track, we can probably get stereo although, being the traditionist I am, I prefer them being in mono.
Anyone on this thread have any ideas?
Shankar
- From: eden (@ )
on: Tue Jul 6 08:31:31 EDT 1999
The recording quality of some of the songs - those that carry the voice of KJY - are not at all OK in the film `Friends', though the songs of KSC are granted excellent recording! How come this quality difference? (Probably KJY sang to the tracks on a different day when the technician was a non-std guy?)
This issue of consistency is really irritating!
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