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WHY IR USED S.P.BALA MORE THAN OTHERS

Topic started by MATHURESHAN (@ 213.59.173.13) on Thu Jun 14 08:16:00 EDT 2001.
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HEY GUYS I HAVE SOME REASONS
=HIS BEST FRIEND
=TO SPOIL TMS MARKET(ONLY BALA CAN DO)
=HE COULD NOT FIND GOOD SINGERS,(NOW THIS IS DIFFERENT)

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• From: Karthi (@ 63.21.181.34) on: Tue Jun 26 00:42:52 EDT 2001
  
  Enakku Mahaganapathim pathi onnum theriyaadhu. Padathula varra BGM pathi naa kavalaip padaradhilla. Naa virumbaradhellam en manasa thodara raagangaL. Thanimaiyila irukkumpOdhu ennai mumukka vaikkaNum raagam-naa. Verum raagathai nyaabgam vechikkaradhu kashtam - adhai rasikka mudiyum, mudinja muNumuNukka mudiyum. Paada mudiyaadhu. Oru mozhiyOda bhaavathOda andha raagam pinni varumpOdhu - appO - andha raagathai marakkaradhu kashtam. AppO adhaip paada mudiyum. Appadippatta jeevanuLLa, vaarthaigaLOda arthathai veLippaduthara raagangaLai-thaan naa virumbarEn. Mozhikkudhaan raagamE ozhiya Raagathukku mozhi illE! En mana uNarvugaLai andha vaarthaigaLum raagangaLum prathipalikkaNum. AppOdhaan adhaip paattaa ennaala uNara mudiyum. JeevanuLLa vaarthaigaL mattum irundhaa adhukkup pEru Kaaviyam. JeevanuLLa vaarthaigaLum athOdu jeevanuLLa raagamum sErndhaa adhukkup pEru Isaik Kaaviyam.
  "Pirikkath Therindha Iraivaa Unakku INaikkath Theriyaadhaa" - nnu sollumpOdhu andha raagathulayum vaarthaigaL-lEyum iNainju varra bhaavam "Kula DeivamE Endhan Kurai Theerkka Vaa Kai NeettinEn Ennai Karai Serkka Vaa" vila irukkiradhaa ENakkuth thONalai. EdhO isai nyaanam illadhaa indhap paamaranOda arivukku ettinadhu. AvvaLavudhaan.
  
  
• From: Kupps (@ 156.153.255.126) on: Tue Jun 26 02:03:56 EDT 2001
  
  Karthi,
  
  ungaL bhaavam(mood) ninaikka therindha manamae-yil irukkum andha "Performer"-in "porattamayamaan sogaththil" aazhndhu uLLa podhu neengaL andha paadalin ovvoru variyilum ungaLin uL manadhin predhipalippai kanugireergaL,kaanuveergaL...vaasthavamaanadhuthaan aanaal adhae bhaavathil irukkum neengaL oru vagayaan kaadhal tholvi sogaththai kurikkum(sattrae vidhyaasamaan bhavathil uLLa) paadalai kaettal, adhaavadhu aedhaedho yennam vaLarthaen paadalaikkaettal, aedho ondru kuraigira maadhiri thaan kandippaga thondrum. idhu iyarkkayae. idhu indha paadalgaLai amaiththavargaLin kutram andru.
  
  aanal naan oru vishayaththai oppu koLgiraen. yennudaya thaazhmayaana abipraayathin padi, naam oru bhaavathil uLLa pozhudhu andha bhaavaththai achchaaga predhibalikkumaaru irukkum raagathil amaindha aeLimayaana paadal nam unarvodu ottum aanal adhae raagathil amaindha alangaaramayamaana paadal namil ottaadhu.
  
  yennai poruththavarai, IR 80-gaLil naam edhir paarkindra padi kadumayaan sandhagaLilaal aana paadalai amaippadhai vida thannudaya ilakkaana "WCM-ICM unity (or) different genre unity" yenbadhai maiiyamaaga kondu mettamaiththaar yendru thaan solvaen. avvaaru amaippadhil avar sirsila oppukkaL(compromise-kku sariyaana vaarthaya? idhu thamizh vaarthaya?) saeidhuLLar(saeidhu thaan aagavaenduma yendru yenakku solla theriyaadhu, naan isaiyil arivili, muttaL). appadipatta letchiyaththil paadalgaL amaitha oruvaridam sandham sariyillai yendru naam yedhir paarpadhu avvaLavu sariyaaga irukkuma?? avar thannai cinemavin M.S.Subbalaxmi pol amakka ninaithirundhaal appozhudhu idhai yedhir paarkalaam.
  
  all IMHO
  
  
  
• From: mahabs (@ 203.197.138.163) on: Tue Jun 26 03:53:59 EDT 2001
  
  compromise-kku sariyaana vaarthay : samarasam
  
  <>
  
  do you mean basically, tune and lyric play the most important parts?
  
  imho, a good song would create a 'bhavam' in us even if we are not in that mood before hearing that song. it is one of the properties of the 'quality songs'
  
  anbudan
  mahabs
  
  
• From: Kupps (@ 156.153.255.134) on: Tue Jun 26 04:04:01 EDT 2001
  
  mahabs,
  
  thanks for giving(reminding) the word samarasam.
  
  yes, i mean tune and lyric play the most important part in a song.
  
  how to explain..mmm...yes...assume that i am in sick. whatever i eat tastes bitter. this time a thanjaavur thalaivaazhai ilai kalyaana saappaadu will be a utter waste. it will be unpalatable for me. however, homemade (esp. from my mom's hand) vaththakuzhambu (or) miLagu rasam saappadu will be nectar for me. We can take this as an anology for (SimpleTune + Lyrics) -> (bringing-in/reflect bhavam).
  
  aiyayoo..im digressing too much, sorry.
  
  all i wanted to tell is why IR's 80s songs were not having rich sandham in it when compared to MSV's, that is all.
  
  
  
• From: eden (@ 210.214.5.240) on: Tue Jun 26 05:31:46 EDT 2001
  
  That's quite another contradiction, Karthi...what really SPB or KSC or IR has to do with `vaira' varigaL? It's just that you give more importance to the lyrical portion and brand IR's songs as not so impressive..for me, the musical portion (including instrumental) is the main thing and I'll hum most of the times even the interludes! (though I can't stand some of the horrible lyrics, a simple -harmless-thing is OK with me as long as the instrumental portion is impressive, see music has no language)
  
  Anyway, it's all a question of taste (like JC's `rAsAthi onna' sounds better to me than the PS version:-))
  
  
• From: MS (@ 129.252.222.2) on: Tue Jun 26 09:24:57 EDT 2001
  
  The discussion here seems to be pretty much away from the title of thread (which of course does not have seem to inviting a lot of inputs as such), but seems to be a good sign.
  
  Hari:
  
  Your logic says a duck's call is sweet for a duck..fine. I do appreciate the fact the interests of people are diverse. But I believe there is atleast a minimum level garbage "music" which nobody appreciates. I wonder if anybody likes the shrieks of chalk on the black board..or someone scratching a steel vessel with another :-)
  
  y:
  
  Music is just as structured as any other subject. We have a legacy given by our predecessors which I guess was not derived out of thin air but by thorough experimentation over the years. I would rather not question the very basics of the subject ( or to say in a raw format.."who are you guys to tell me which chord is to be played when") and try building the blocks from scratch, simply because I am not prodigious. What I rather would do is take up the basics, learn them and try to build on them instead of creating a "new" set of axioms completely...and that would normally be the approach of a commoner.
  
  Karthi:
  
  "thanimaiyile naan muNumuNukkira raagangaL.."..
  
  Time to get paired up ? :-)
  
  
• From: rajaG (@ 207.43.195.201) on: Tue Jun 26 10:10:13 EDT 2001
  
  Karthi: last 3 post la oru dhadava kooda PS pEru pOdala. enna aachchu? udambu paduththardhaa?:-)
  
  
• From: hari (@ 216.141.67.251) on: Tue Jun 26 13:18:27 EDT 2001
  
  MS -
  yeah we have digressed enough, anyways i feel there is no such thing as absolute good music or absolute garbage music. There is no threshold. It is too personal. I believe that IR said once that even the howl of a dog is music in a sense. ( and I dont mean to his/her fellow canines only :-) It boils down to sincerity and effort - which are the only things i feel u can appreciate when u think of a musician (artist, why, any human being). Anyways, we'll end this here.
  
  
• From: curious (@ 135.104.46.63) on: Tue Jun 26 13:36:29 EDT 2001
  
  Could some one make up a list of 20-30 best songs of MSV (in his or her opinion) from dhool?
  
  That would be helpful as a starting point.
  
  
• From: MS (@ 129.252.222.2) on: Tue Jun 26 15:19:31 EDT 2001
  
  Curious - start for what ?
  
  
• From: curious (@ 135.104.46.63) on: Tue Jun 26 15:59:05 EDT 2001
  
  Hopefully, to listening to MSV and appreciating him better than I do so now.
  
  
• From: y ?? (@ 148.87.1.170) on: Tue Jun 26 19:47:02 EDT 2001
  
  MS ..
  
  I accept the approach u r talking about. That is more about acquainting oneself with a subject than becoming judgemental ( quality) about it. Let's take carnatic for example. It was handed down to you after all the thorough research and you are listening to it now. Is it not possible that there are some raagas that u like ( more quality) and some u dont ( lesser quality)while cud be exact opposite to someone else. If we assume that all the raagas were equally thouroughly researched, then why this diff. in liking ? Here, the environmental and genetic factors come up.
  
  But, at the end of it, we ahve to agree that quality is NOT generic. Taking ur example of a chalk scratching, I know it produces goose pimples (atleast in me) ... but the 'thought' was not discarded and RDB scratched a comb against kamal's teeth and IR scratched a sketch against a piece of paper .. :)))and I liked it!! so, they just gave it a different dimension and lo, u like it now .. I know I am digressing but am just trying to present the multi-dimensional thoughts towards quality that we all have ...
  
  
• From: MS (@ 129.252.222.2) on: Tue Jun 26 23:47:45 EDT 2001
  
  aaahh..y ??..I guess you will not come with more "common" sounds to substantiate :-)
  
  My arguement with Hari in simple words should be as follows: Decalring that quality something is not well defined, without knowing what it is (atleast 20-30%), is a an escapist's assumption. IR may use more "natural" sounds (I would not elaborate either here or in the head of the post what they are :-) ) to emphasize his compositions - true. But I guess he would not be mad enough to try fill a song with that sound only since he knows it will get dumped. (If u need an example for this genre, u should try Monishaa from MEM - TR's venture :-) ) That is why I said a minimum basic definition for quality may be possible though I am not able to give one.
  
  
• From: hari (@ 66.68.101.152) on: Wed Jun 27 00:27:17 EDT 2001
  
  MS - cud u clarify?
  
  "Decalring that quality something is not well defined, without knowing what it is (atleast 20-30%), is a an escapist's assumption."
  
  I am saying precisely that - that quality is not well-defined. Where is the question of knowing 20% or 30%? 20 % of "WHAT" ? Of an undefined thing.. a word called quality... what does it mean??
  
  I know a bit of music theory if thats what u mean.
  
  Who is an escapist? What do I need to escape from?
  
  If u need a definition,
  "quality (music)= sincerity in effort". Thats my definition. Thats the closest i can get.
  
  ps - rajaG, cud u tell me a bit abt "fancifying" my postings? I am tired of using quotation marks and capital letters. TIA :-)
  
  
• From: Karthi (@ 63.21.181.175) on: Wed Jun 27 01:29:35 EDT 2001
  
  rajaG! Thank you for making me laugh... ippOlaam naa gavanamaa irukkEn... 'avanga' pEr varaama paathukkarEn mudinja varai...
  
  eden! You're right that music has no language and I can clearly see different people like different things in a song... I too hum the interludes but IR's interludes have so many things happening at once that I can't either remember or sing it by humming myself... except a specific portion that I like. Actually I was not favoring lyrics over tune, I only look for the meaning of the lyrics to match with the tune - which I often feel to be the case in MSV's tunes... however... IR's strength is his interludes...in many cases I have liked his interludes better than the main tune itself - but as I said this doesn't help me much!
  
  MS, please help me find one:))
  
  
• From: Kupps (@ 156.153.255.134) on: Wed Jun 27 02:00:39 EDT 2001
  
  yellam sari Karthi 'avanga' pEr varaama paathukkarEn appidinu solli irukeengaLae andha 'avanga' yaaru?? ;-)
  
  

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