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WHY IR CAN'T MAKE IT IN HOLLYWOOD, BUT WILL MAKE IT IN PINEWOOD

Topic started by MusicaliSationally - company for new ideas for the Maestro' music for international audiencesu su (@ 65.176.168.227) on Thu Feb 13 22:52:37 EST 2003.
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IR' music has the biggest scope than any other music for more stronger rhythms like in American music. BUT, that is the problem, BUT, IR does not want the melody of his songs to be overpowered by the percussion, which is kept in the background. This explains why Rahman's music is more acceptable to western ears, where there is no interest in melody, but the rhythm is more predominant. For this reason, IR will not be accepted by American audiences or in Hollywood, because look at the theme music of the movies, lots of tough percussion - even though most of the ideas are bland.

About PINEWOOD (Bond movies for example), IR will be appreciated in Europe because there melody is valued and not the American musical ideas.

So, if there is a campaign to market IR' music in America, first rework the orchestra of the songs and make the rhythms predominant.

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Responses:

• From: Kiran (@ 210.187.110.230) on: Thu Feb 13 23:18:19 EST 2003
  
  Thats what i have been telling.........if IR modify his presentation to bit english type....with sophisticated instruments ...it wud be great like JOHN WILLIAMS...but he is not listening......... :)
  
  
• From: naaaaaaaaaaaaan sense (@ 65.176.168.227) on: Thu Feb 13 23:52:20 EST 2003
  
  what? John Williams? That guy doesn't know percussion from a violin ;--)
  
  
• From: Lollu Party (@ 61.6.38.132) on: Fri Feb 14 00:20:20 EST 2003
  
  Yes, this is absolute nonsense.
  
  Move aside Osama bin Laden. This is Ridicuslous bin Stupidity!
  
  Just when you think IR fans cannot go any more absurd, they reach new heights in complete lunacy!
  
  IR can't even make it in Tamilnadu ....
  
  Koorai eri kodaipidikka theriyaathavan, vaanam eri vaigundam poraanaam!
  
  Ivanunga thollai thaanga mudiyalappa!
  
  
• From: Cheenu (@ 203.199.205.25) on: Fri Feb 14 02:17:31 EST 2003
  
  I don't understand why IR should make it American or European audience.
  
  1. IR has made enough money in TFM.
  2. Just because IR's songs do not appeal to Hindi/USA/Europe , doesn't mean that IR is less great.
  3. Just because A.L.Webber made "Bombay Dreams" with ARR , does not mean that ARR is better than IR.
  4. We have a lot of inferior complex. We feel that only Oscar award is the best in the whole world. If "lagaan" could not make it, we feel so sad. We yearn for western recognition and if we do not get it, we feel inferior.
  5. When Sridevi captured hindi market, the loss was actuallly for tamil films. As hindi films offer more money, she stuck to it and totally ignored tamil films. Thank god, IR , Kamal, and Sivaji did not click in Hindi films. We continue get "Azagai" and "Anbe Sivam" from such greats.If IR had been sucessful in Hindi, you should be satified with S.A.Rajkumars, Aadhityans and Vidhya Sagars.
  
  
  
  
  
• From: Dinesh Scaran (@ 210.186.42.4) on: Fri Feb 14 09:35:03 EST 2003
  
  poor souls...stil cant accept the fact ARR is better then IR...remeber in Vijay-tv..they anounce the best of cinema peps of the century..do u still remeber that??the anour goes to ARR for the best music director of india for the century..and iguess the year was 1999..and rahman came only in 1992..7 years ARR did a better job then IR for 10years+..how shamefull u people cant take it...but that doesnt mean i said IR is useles..his music is good...all i'm saying..ARR is much respected everywhere around the globe more then IR..example..my friend in South america knows ARR but asking me who is Illairaja..i gave him few albums of IR but he said it was good..but ARR's one was better..so u c..dun take thoughts from ur own kind only.take it from all...
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  ARRahman-Isai Puyal!
  
  
• From: kiru (@ 192.138.150.249) on: Fri Feb 14 14:22:23 EST 2003
  
  Kiran..since you seem to like IR atleast a bit..here is an exercise for you. Listen to nee paathi..naan paathi kanne..List out all the instruments being used. Hear what each instrument is playing. You dont have to tell us note by note..just give us an idea what each instrument is doing in the whole compostion. Get back to us and then we can talk about 'sophisticated' instruments :)
  BTW, dont feel offended that I am saying you are not a good listener.. I just wanted to bring out a point in the forum.
  
  naaaaaaan sense :) :) :)
  
  cheenu ..I hear you ..but not sure others do !!
  
  
• From: mythila (@ 137.237.12.102) on: Fri Feb 14 14:29:50 EST 2003
  
  Well said Cheenu!!!
  Let IR be Isai Thendral only
  for Tamil Melody fans. It is our privilege and treasure.
  He need not be some Sooravali.
  
  
• From: selva (@ 172.181.9.85) on: Fri Feb 14 17:23:26 EST 2003
  
  AAHHAAA, I finally tracked Kiru sir down here, so the repost. I miised out on many of your educational insights in newtfmpage. Good to know that you still persist, so help me....
  
  
  While I was on a nostalgic trip today, I happened to listening to a song from 'Kadhalan' called 'Eraani Kurathaani Gobala'. The beats are very impressionistic, reflective of ARR's early days. The instrument appears to be 'Tabla', besides others. Does anyone know who played the tabla for this song??
  
  Also another doubt, is the reason for IR's reluctance to use natural percussion instruments due to the lack of good percussionists, now that most of the rhythm can be computer programmed. So who are the prominent percussionists available for film music these days comparable to Shivamani (another impressionist).
  
  Besides plain ignorance, part of my ignorance maybe disguised to be provocative, please clarify my doubts.
  
  
• From: Logi (@ 141.149.210.247) on: Fri Feb 14 18:05:18 EST 2003
  
  "...look at the theme music of the [hollywood]movies, lots of tough percussion"
  
  Are you drunk or something?
  
  "Out of Africa" won best music Oscar.. it had not a single beat to it! What abt Titanic?
  
  I hope you are not thinking that percussion means Piano or something... Because I have never seen Hollywood movies (most of them) have any beats in their soundtrack.. they are all majorly strings which is IR's biggest asset
  
  
• From: selva (@ 172.181.9.85) on: Fri Feb 14 18:28:26 EST 2003
  
  Kiru,
  
  One of the exercise, I indulge in when listening to music is to delineate the instruments used in a particular song. Many a times I am stumped and just can't make out a particular bit.
  
  I have known from some of your earlier posts that you like people to do their homework. So here is my home work, hoping that you would give me many more,
  
  Nee Paadhi Naan Paadhi (I had some difficulty trying to access this song online, finally MusicIndiaOnline had this song though poor quality audio, Margadhamani has also composed a song starting with Nee paadhi Naan Paadhi!!!)
  
  The instruments used in this song,
  
  Prelude starts with bird wing's flutter, bird's chirpings; flute; guitar; veena; violins.
  
  Pallavi: I can identify guitar chords, tabla, bass guitar, keyboard?, triangle,
  
  Ist interlude: keyboard, violins, rhythm guitar, tabla, bass guitar, veena etc etc
  
  Charanam: tabla, guitar, keyboards mainly
  
  2nd interlude: flute, keyboards, and i give up!!!
  
  
  
  
• From: HC (@ 4.64.235.20) on: Fri Feb 14 18:33:33 EST 2003
  
  IR's BGM is one among the best. comparable, if not better than top Hollywood music directors. moreover, the situations in english movies are seldom as complex as tamil movies. If given an opportunity and if he decides to accept it, would very easily shine in BGMs @ Hollywood or Pinewood.
  
  since when did Vijay TV become an authority in music?
  
  btw, Puyal will die away after a short burst... good luck ARR (Isai puyal) fans. looks like the end is pretty close.
  
  
• From: Lollu Party (@ 61.6.38.132) on: Fri Feb 14 20:09:08 EST 2003
  
  Koorai eri kodaipidikka theriyaathavan, vaanam eri vaigundam poraanaam!
  
  
• From: kiru (@ 192.138.150.249) on: Fri Feb 14 20:13:41 EST 2003
  
  Selva, you dont have to be that respectful :) I am neither that old or wise :) (Its Valentine's day and I am reminding myself, I am still youthful :) ) Anyways, this is a song that I gave as an exercise, because this has IR written all over it. The prelude's flute melody is played with guitar counterpoints..then the veena (without any harmony/counterpoint -making it pure indian sound) transitions us to the strings again played with guitar counetpoints. Then the pallavi starts with tabla and bingo you said it GUITAR CHORDs !!! yes this is what gives character to the song..see how catchy it is ..One of the reasons why people like Srikanth accuse :) IR of composing a song starting from the chords, meaning he is sacrificing the melody for this catchiness. But in this song do you think it is sacrificed anyway ? No way, right ? Okay , now lets say the chords are removed, just the tabla and the tune, will the song be good, yes it will be. And many people think that it is what IT is.. (the chords only influencing them subconsciously). This will be a totally indian song. Many malayalam MDs create pure raagam based melodies like this. Now add the chords voila you have an IR fusion.
  
  So now tell me is this just a tabla song and do we need 'sophisticated' instruments here ???
  (Remember, vallavanukku pullum aayutham !!)
  
  (Recent songs of IR with synth drum kits are a different discussion altogether)
  
  
• From: naaaaaaaaaaaaan sense (@ 65.176.169.234) on: Sat Feb 15 11:50:57 EST 2003
  
  Dinesh, to appreciate great music you must have some music apreciation abilities. this current generation in Indian and actually the entire globe has no music sensibility - only rarely some gems come out, that too from the US only. nobody can make melody based hits with rhythm (though IR keeps it subtle) the way IR does. Rahman is really whait is sufficient to satisfy the current musical interests.
  
  I am talkin of IR not making it in Hollywood, because IR does not believe in the hardedge rhythms the way mainstream music is in US!
  
  
• From: dev (@ 63.205.245.36) on: Sat Feb 15 12:23:15 EST 2003
  
  ir-a pugaltthirathukkaaga, you are pugalifying pinewood over hollywood? you say there is more of a melody interest in pinewood? ha ha ha ha. obviously you know nothing about the music of either America or Europe.
  
  
• From: Are Yaar (@ 203.115.31.67) on: Sun Feb 16 00:59:12 EST 2003
  
  >>>this current generation in Indian and actually the entire globe has no music sensibility
  
  Comedy man..You are the one person and the whole world is a non sense...right...?
  
  great....I now accept that music has its effect on brain cells...? True.
  
  
• From: FGH (@ 203.124.234.166) on: Sun Feb 16 07:40:31 EST 2003
  
  IR is fit only for Tamil nadu AND NOT ANY MORE ASK HIM TO GO HOME.
  
  

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