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[Sureshs65]

Senthil,

Thanks for the links. I have heard some of these and I will listen to the others soon. I don't know much about the Malayalam films though.

As a person who had closely followed MSV during that time, because I was defending him AGAINST Raja, I know how the scenario was then. How the one hour 4 to 5pm Sunday program on Madras A, which I followed religiously in the late 70s and early 80s, saw a program which was initially full of MSV melodies slowly getting replaced by Raja melodies. And this program was based on letters which came to the station and not the station selection. ("madhuraiyilirundu Kanaka, mayiladudhariayilirundhu Mahesh, Nagerkoililirundhu Nagesh etc.) Added to it was my own assessment of his songs during that period. Today if I were to fill my mp3 player with MSV's songs, the nof songs from 80s will be less. I don't want to go movie by movie on your list but none of the Tamil movies that you mentioned will go into his canon, which is very large by the way. You may consider it my 'opinion' and that is fine by me but I do still hold, having heard the music of those times, that MSV's music did decline in quality during those time. So we will leave it at it as my opinion and not as a fact.

[app_engine]

Sureshji,

I've read pulambals from MSV camp (in some threads here) that one-by-one the top assistants / instrumentalists etc were leaving MSV during the 80's.

Kind of makes sense, if one puts together the situation under which AVM/BR/IR wanted to bail him out with MTK where he needed IR to do the orch. All TFM lovers know what an awesome 1986 album that proved to be.

And later too, people tried some gimmicks like "bringing back TKR to work with him" etc. So, the idea of "MSV retired graciously" is far-fetched as the fact is he lost to have winner assistants anymore and couldn't deliver products acceptable to any market.

Now, all the samples that senthilv has laboriously brought here together to showcase those "MSV-sparkles" during mid-late 80's are not that big in TN (or Kerala) in my observation and only serves to defeat that purpose

These were nothing compared to even what he did when really in competition with IR during late-70's & early-80's (let alone those wonders for MGR-Sivaji movies earlier).

These are samples similar to what BRangan talked about in his comments in the blog ('maragathavallikku maNakkOlam' kind of "radio-only" songs that could be called "hits" by HCFs while in reality TN was reverberating with IR songs everywhere in teakkadai / buses etc - why, even TR songs had a much bigger reach than any of MSV's in mid-late 80's).

[jaiganes]

Sureshji,

I've read pulambals from MSV camp (in some threads here) that one-by-one the top assistants / instrumentalists etc were leaving MSV during the 80's.

Kind of makes sense, if one puts together the situation under which AVM/BR/IR wanted to bail him out with MTK where he needed IR to do the orch. All TFM lovers know what an awesome 1986 album that proved to be.

And later too, people tried some gimmicks like "bringing back TKR to work with him" etc. So, the idea of "MSV retired graciously" is far-fetched as the fact is he lost to have winner assistants anymore and couldn't deliver products acceptable to any market.

Now, all the samples that senthilv has laboriously brought here together to showcase those "MSV-sparkles" during mid-late 80's are not that big in TN (or Kerala) in my observation and only serves to defeat that purpose

These were nothing compared to even what he did when really in competition with IR during late-70's & early-80's (let alone those wonders for MGR-Sivaji movies earlier).

These are samples similar to what BRangan talked about in his comments in the blog ('maragathavallikku maNakkOlam' kind of "radio-only" songs that could be called "hits" by HCFs while in reality TN was reverberating with IR songs everywhere in teakkadai / buses etc - why, even TR songs had a much bigger reach than any of MSV's in mid-late 80's).

I must say that when MSV composed in the 90s for "Engirundho Vandhaan" Satyaraj starrer - music was truly awesome. Ellaathukkume neram, kaalam, koottaaLi ellaam sariya amayanum. this is what raaja cals praaptham and sankalpam.

[app_engine]

Possibly posted earlier but got lost in the amaLi related to BRangan's blog post :

Neethane En Ponvasantham in September?
It looks like fans of Gautam Vasudev Menon might have to wait a bit longer for his next film Neethane En Ponvasantham to hit the screens.
That's because the ace director plans to release the film, featuring Jiiva and Samantha in the lead, late August or September. However, they can take heart that the music of the film is to release in the first week of July.

Says Gautam: “The film is almost ready, but I don't want it to be obscured by the biggie Maatran. So, I will wait for Maatran's release.”
If one is to go by the earlier announcement by the producers of Maatran who had stated they were planning an Independence Day (August 15) release, then, it is obvious NEP will hit the screens only by the fag end of August or early September.

[genesis]

Senthil,

Thanks for the links. I have heard some of these and I will listen to the others soon. I don't know much about the Malayalam films though.

As a person who had closely followed MSV during that time, because I was defending him AGAINST Raja, I know how the scenario was then. How the one hour 4 to 5pm Sunday program on Madras A, which I followed religiously in the late 70s and early 80s, saw a program which was initially full of MSV melodies slowly getting replaced by Raja melodies. And this program was based on letters which came to the station and not the station selection. ("madhuraiyilirundu Kanaka, mayiladudhariayilirundhu Mahesh, Nagerkoililirundhu Nagesh etc.) Added to it was my own assessment of his songs during that period. Today if I were to fill my mp3 player with MSV's songs, the nof songs from 80s will be less. I don't want to go movie by movie on your list but none of the Tamil movies that you mentioned will go into his canon, which is very large by the way. You may consider it my 'opinion' and that is fine by me but I do still hold, having heard the music of those times, that MSV's music did decline in quality during those time. So we will leave it at it as my opinion and not as a fact.

Suresh - First of all please start treating others on par with you!! (I hope you understand what I mean)

[Sureshs65]

genesis,

An unfortunate comment from you. If I was not treating someone on par with me, including you, I wouldn't be responding and engaging in a debate. Hope you understand And would be great if you stop giving gratuitous advice.

[Sureshs65]

app,

I didn't want to do an extensive analysis of the songs and prolong the debate. I fully agree with you and as I said, these will not be a part of the canon of MSV. He was far far greater music director than these songs indicate.

[app_engine]

BTW, listened to those 3 Shreya G sweeties from cheeni kum during the drive to work!

If NEPV has orchestration / arrangment / sounds / recording standards that at least meet these (I hope it will exceed considering the resources given to IR), we have a definite treat there!

[Sureshs65]

app,

I am more than sure that this will be on par with the sounds of Cheeni Kum, if not better. You can also check the jazz part which comes in 'Azhagarsamiyin Kudhirai'. Outstanding work there.

Honestly, I treat this on par with any Raja album and for me, Raja has not disappointed me in all these years

[app_engine]

Sureshji,
You know I'm not totally with you there (on giving rAjApArvai to all rAjA albums, nAn innum avvaLavu pakkuvappadalai)

Yuvan pErellAm singers-list'la kEkkumbOthu konjam bageer dhAn

Still, cheeni / PR / pA are three biggies impressive to me in recent years and are closely related to NEPV in the 'what is at stake' question.

That way, I'm sure this album will live up to the hype!