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Does ARR give music in its original form?

Topic started by Uthams (@ 64.154.150.4) on Fri Mar 9 02:04:17 EST 2001.
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I doubt very much!! His music is not continuous. Fully digitized.. taking only samples of music. It is not flowing. Something is missing. Even though it appeals a lot after Rahman doing lot of tweaking with the voice and music after composing, it misses something. I still believe he is way behind IR interms of presenting music in its original form. Hope lots of guys will jump heaven and earth after reading this. But that is the harsh reality. I don't feel like listening to Roja songs anymore. But i still feel like listening to Vizhiyil vizhundu song from Alaigal oivadhillai. I still love his Malayil yaro manadodu. ARR music is more like a music for advertisements. It never blends with story or movie.

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• From: Uthams (@ 64.154.146.46) on: Sat Mar 10 00:26:07 EST 2001
  
  Well.. i don't know is there any technical word for what i was trying to emphasize. May be i am talking about highly a subjective thing. May be i am talking about longevity. Over a period i do not like to listen to his songs. Anywayz since its my personal preference and my opinion is based on my listening experience i will continue to keep IR above ARR in terms of presenting quality tunes. Hope nobody will try to convince me after this. To pass a comment on what you listen i think noone needs any musical qualifications as our friend has suggested. Can you please define the minimum requirements of musical qualifications? I heard IR had the ability to come up with Tunes instantly. Unlike ARR who takes all the time in the world to compose one tune. I do not think ARR is dominating like IR did. Everybody gets fair share, Harish jeyaraj,Bharadwaj,Deva,SA Rajkumar. I think for ARR to reach 600 movies it will take another 50 years i think. Before that someone will step in.
  
  
• From: Sridhar (@ 203.197.182.105) on: Mon Mar 12 14:48:05 EST 2001
  
  Uthams, ur msgs seem to be just bashing ARR. By ur logic, Deva will be the next IR as he is the only guy who can reach 600 movies. Its the quality , not the quantity thats important.
  
  
• From: UVII (@ 63.76.3.20) on: Mon Mar 12 15:07:29 EST 2001
  
  Q: Does ARR give music in its original form?
  A: No, It is out of reach for him.
  Q: Can ARR give music in its original form.
  A: Then ARR has to learn from IR :-))
  
  
• From: Fliflo (@ 146.186.113.254) on: Mon Mar 12 15:52:08 EST 2001
  
  Does ARR give music in its original form?
  
  No. It will be a copyright violation then!
  
  
  
• From: mkrishnan (@ 203.199.130.19) on: Wed Mar 14 11:51:56 EST 2001
  
  DEar readers,
  ARR is a genius But his tunes lack melody. He over-orchestrates. His tunes are excessively complex,clumsy and cluttered up.
  And his 'Vande Mataram' is such a polluted version of our National Song. What a terrible,screechy voice he has. Just contrast it to the version sung by our revered Lataji in the film Ananadmath in 1954!!!!
  
  
• From: Sridhar (@ 164.100.80.110) on: Wed Mar 14 12:41:36 EST 2001
  
  For all those who dont know much about Rahman. He hasnt sung the song Vande Mataram. He has only sung Maa Tuhe Salaam. The actual Vande Mataram is present in its pure form with some brilliant orchestration. Fliflo, what about the IR song in Kathal Kavithai featuring Raju Sundaram and Roja. Thats a complete lift of a folk song. You guys seem to be frustrated with IR. So you are venting it on Rahman. Its alright, u cant expect so much from IR. He is not a genius like Rahman.
  
  
• From: Fliflo (@ 146.186.113.254) on: Wed Mar 14 14:02:04 EST 2001
  
  Just a minute;
  
  Kathal kavithai..Is roja coming somewhere??
  
  I remember it is kasthoori and Isha..
  
  
• From: Shanmugam (@ 63.101.96.1) on: Wed Mar 14 15:32:32 EST 2001
  
  Fliflo,
  
  rOjA danced for the 'ALAna nAL mudhalA' song (sung by pushpavanam kuppusAmy and sowmyA) in "kAdhal kavithai'. It was a guest appearance.
  
  
• From: Shanmugam (@ 63.101.96.1) on: Wed Mar 14 15:35:02 EST 2001
  
  sridhar,
  
  What is that folk song that you claim is the inspiration for 'ALAna nAL mudhalA' ("kAdhal kavithai")?
  
  
• From: Fliflo (@ 146.186.113.254) on: Wed Mar 14 18:39:07 EST 2001
  
  Shanmugam;
  
  Thanks for the info. trying to visualise in imagination...still not getting!
  
  
• From: Common Friend (@ 203.197.141.183) on: Thu Mar 15 09:14:00 EST 2001
  
  Sridhar:
  Don't get over enthusiastic yaar. What's wrong in using a folk song for a film song ?. No body can invent a folk song mind you. How long will we continue such cheap acquisitions.
  
  
• From: mkrishnan (@ 203.199.130.71) on: Thu Mar 15 10:35:32 EST 2001
  
  This is for sridhar,
  Yes, AR Rahman has sung the whole song 'Maa tujhe salaam' which is a vande matarm version ,and an unbearable version in any case. Even his song
  'Dil se' and the one in Fiza, and the one in Taal all make you wince.
  
  
• From: Desmond Vikash (@ 161.142.100.85) on: Thu Mar 15 11:12:23 EST 2001
  
  I strongly believe that it is simply not appropriate to compare ARR and Illayarara because they are both great composers. Music presentation evolves.. it does not remain the same. ARR's style of music presentation and Illayaraja's was totally different. ARR uses music workstations, sound samples / modules and so on which is very normal in the west. Illayaraja on the other hand was original in his presentation but today, even he is into this. Why? Because he realizes that he has to change with time. I am not critisizing anyone here, all im saying is that they are both geniuses of their time.
  
  
• From: Sridhar (@ 164.100.80.102) on: Fri Mar 16 00:22:58 EST 2001
  
  mkrishnan
  
  Maa Tujhe Salaam is NOT a vande mataram version. It has just the words vande mataram. The actual vande mataram is the next song in the tape. If u cant figure that out, u must listen again. Dil Se Re is the GREATEST SONG EVER COMPOSED. Its really amazing how he can sing in both high & low pitch. Your opinion smacks of bias. I am not angry at yoiu, I am just sad at the pathetic state ur ears are in..
  
  
• From: mkrishnan (@ 203.197.82.32) on: Fri Mar 16 05:13:15 EST 2001
  
  to shridhar,
  if you say ARR is a GREAT COMPOSER, i wholeheartedly AGREE. But he's just a terrible singer. 'Maa tujhe salaam' and all his other songs are pathetically rendered. Why cant he get the good tfm singers like SPB,YESUDAS,or even Hariharan to do these??
  
  
• From: Sridhar (@ 164.100.80.113) on: Fri Mar 16 07:53:11 EST 2001
  
  mkrishnan
  
  I dont think any1 could have sung Dil Se Re with the passion with which ARR sung.
  
  
• From: Common Friend (@ 203.197.141.183) on: Fri Mar 16 09:56:02 EST 2001
  
  mkrishnan:
  ARR is not that intolerable to hear. Dil Se Re is really good.
  
  
• From: Sridhar (@ 164.100.80.115) on: Sat Mar 17 06:04:58 EST 2001
  
  And among all the MD's, ARR has the best voice.
  
  
• From: Common Friend (@ 203.197.141.183) on: Sat Mar 17 10:02:59 EST 2001
  
  sridhar:
  Might be right. But SPB also composed music for some films.
  
  
• From: Sridhar (@ 164.100.80.113) on: Sat Mar 17 12:25:15 EST 2001
  
  common friend
  
  thats true. but i meant ppl who became Mds first and then singers. Actually the movie Sigaram music by SPB wasnt that bad.
  
  
• From: Common Friend (@ 203.197.141.183) on: Sat Mar 17 12:37:53 EST 2001
  
  sridhar:
  As far as voice of current MDs are concerned, I am in your side.
  I would like to tell you about two things here. The "thai manne vanakkam" has become a part of prayers (Monday only) in my school where I studied.
  I am in a MNC and daily we have a business meeting at 8:15 morning. During that time we play that "vandematharam" part alone for 15 to 30 seconds. Even our CEO has to stand erect for that.
  
  
• From: Anbu (@ 161.142.1.6) on: Sun Mar 18 00:13:52 EST 2001
  
  Does ARR give music in its original form?
  
  Only as-sholes and losers will debate questions like this.
  Poraamaikkum oru limit venamaa?
  Porikki pasanga.
  
  
• From: suresh (@ 203.199.237.53) on: Sun Mar 18 00:52:00 EST 2001
  
  CF
  You sure are one lucky guy, with your school and workplace packed with people of the same taste!
  
  Would your CEO not stand erect if Vande Mataram sung by anybody else was played? Don't confuse patriotic sentiment with blind fan worship!
  
  
  
• From: suresh (@ 203.199.237.53) on: Sun Mar 18 00:52:12 EST 2001
  
  CF
  You sure are one lucky guy, with your school and workplace packed with people of the same taste!
  
  Would your CEO not stand erect if Vande Mataram sung by anybody else was played? Don't confuse patriotic sentiment with blind idol worship!
  
  
  
• From: Common Friend (@ 203.197.141.183) on: Mon Mar 19 10:04:28 EST 2001
  
  suresh:
  You are getting confused. I didn't mean that. I just wanted to show you the reach of the song. Yes, my CEO will stand erect and all of us would if VM is sung at the appropriate time and place. I just wanted to say that generally people's opinion is not what is yours. As far as "Maa thuje salam" (MTS) is concerned, it is played in almost all function where it has got to do with little bit of national sense. As far as I have observed, no other patriotic song except "Sare jahan se achchaa" in resent times has reach people and got sung as MTS. I recently went to a inter district(probably..or some inter) Volley ball championship, where I observed the same thing.
  
  
• From: Suresh (@ 203.126.228.21) on: Mon Mar 26 02:12:28 EST 2001
  
  I like ARR very much as they are original and different style which more enjoyable.
  
  Uncomparable with other sinking MDs'.
  
  
• From: :-) (@ 64.104.128.15) on: Mon Mar 26 03:30:17 EST 2001
  
  CF,
  Do they sing "salAm gulAmu" on tuesdays in your school ? :-)
  
  
• From: Common Friend (@ 203.197.141.183) on: Mon Mar 26 12:01:58 EST 2001
  
  :-):
  
  I think they do. But I am sure they don't even try to sing any of IR. Is that OK IR fanatic.
  
  What I told is fact. Why do you people get irritated when something good about other MDs , be it any other than IR family, are said here.
  I cannot reveal my school and office. If you don't agree with what I say, well I don't bother much.
  
  Keep smiling.. :-) ("Asadu vazhiyudu")
  
  
• From: Kupps (@ 156.153.255.134) on: Tue Mar 27 01:20:49 EST 2001
  
  The "thai manne vanakkam" has become a part of prayers (Monday only) in my school where I studied
  
  very sad to hear such news!!! shows the pathetic situation of our schools. this shows how cinema has influenced education system, in bad ways :-(
  
  even songs like veLLi pani malaiyin medhulavuvom were not used in schools, which IMHO the best cine song that could evoke patriotism. hmm who knows the future generation schools will sing songs like "naethu raathiri yemma" and will say that this glorifies MOTHER. katti pudi katti pudi da that could say the BONDAGE OF HUMANITY.
  
  highly disgusting :-((
  
  
  

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