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Topic started by Mukund (@ sdwwwgw01.sd.nmp.nokia.com) on Sat Oct 3 20:06:55 EDT 1998.
All times in EST +10:30 for IST.

Everyone is pretty bored and fed up with arguing on differences of opinions regarding MDs right ? After all typically, what would we TFMers discuss suppose we meet in person ?. Song discussions right ? So here is the thread.

Idea is someone will introduce a song and we all will discuss about the song, period. Limitation is we will automatically move to another song after 5 days of discussion. ie. anyone contributing to the thread after the first set of 5 days will have to come up with a new song!. Also whoever is starting first can state the ending date of five day period.

Some help from Ravi is required for this until some time for people to really start adhering to this.

BTW why 5 days ?? Obviously to keep the thread fresh and alive !!

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Responses:

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• From: Ramki (@ pm062-23.spindler.wmich.edu) on: Wed Nov 4 18:55:37 EST 1998
  
  Mano good that u mentioned the lyrics.The whole songs gives a nice description of her character.
  Suhu,who gets close with 4 ilaignars,finds that one of them falls in love with her. Though she has liking for him,shes not able to accept his proposal as she is counting her days. She describes her condition through the song..
  
  thandhiyilla veenai swaram tharumo
  puyal varum velaiyil poovukku suyamvaramo
  paavaiyin raagam sogangalo
  neeralai podum kolangalo
  
  The best lines are
  
  thoorigai erunginrapodhu
  indha thaazhgalil aedhum ezhudhadhu(wonderful karpanai)
  dhinam kanavu
  enadhunavu
  nilam pudhidhu
  vidhai pazhudhu
  
  Now comes THE line of the song
  
  enakkoru malar maalai nee vangavendum(she pauses and then continues)
  adhu edharkko??(en thirumanatharkka alladhu maranathirkka?)
  
  
  
• From: vijay (@ 129.252.26.194) on: Wed Nov 4 23:46:38 EST 1998
  
  BTW, who is the lyricist?
  
  
• From: Sankaran (@ webgate0.mot.com) on: Wed Nov 4 23:47:38 EST 1998
  
  Shall we start on a new song, which must be one of the all-time favourites of most DFers ? Yes, shall we talk about "ILamayenum poongaatru..". This song is appreciated all around for its amazing interludes, a subtle, yet recognizable sentiment of pathos through the song, great lyrics(KannadAsan ??), soulful singing by SPB, all packaged in three melodious stanzas.
  Come on guys, please pitch in with your inputs.
  
  
• From: Rajaraman (@ boo.ucar.edu) on: Thu Nov 5 00:11:12 EST 1998
  
  vijay,
  VM is the lyricist. He mentioned in one i.view that he first wrote
  paavayin raagam sogangalo
  ..*something*.. megangalo
  
  Then he realised Kannadhasan has used the same karpanai and rushed back to the recording studio
  (all the way tensely wondering if the recording has already been done) just in time to change the lyrics.
  
  
• From: vijay (@ 129.252.26.194) on: Thu Nov 5 00:56:05 EST 1998
  
  sankaran,
  if the present song discussion is inactive for another 2 days then we shall start a new song. that was the original rule for this thread as said by mukund. pl. do not start another song until then.
  
  
• From: The Fan (@ spider-te041.proxy.aol.com) on: Thu Nov 5 01:50:09 EST 1998
  
  I would like to discuss 'Kamban Yemandhan' of SPB or 'Kallelam Manicka Kallalugama'
  
  
• From: shankar (@ webgate0.mot.com) on: Thu Nov 5 04:05:53 EST 1998
  
  Vijay,
  let's make it one day.As waiting for one more day, kinda makes u restless.If there's no discussion on a particular song for more than one full day, we'll shift to the next number in queue.
  
  mukund,
  Since u have started this thread , we'd appreciate if u cud kindly keep track of the list of songs in the queue.
  
  
• From: cram (@ 206.103.12.102) on: Thu Nov 5 08:29:37 EST 1998
  
  yo, 5 days is too long a wait.
  ellorukkum sammatham enraal, we can discuss, at a later stage after Sankaran's and The Fan's suggestions are discussed, `Adhisaya raagum, aanandha raaaaaagum, azhagiya raaaagummmmmm, aboorva raaagum'.
  
  
• From: Mukund (@ sdwwwgw01.sd.nmp.nokia.com) on: Thu Nov 5 13:15:58 EST 1998
  
  Hi guys,
  
  Right now it is very confusing (after all the suggestions) as to how many max we want to discuss the song. 1 day timeout for before moving to new song seems to be unanimous. ie. even if someone writes something at the end of the day the discussion will continue.
  
  Right now the queue is
  
  Sankaran - Ilamaiyenum Poongatru
  The Fan - Kalellaam OR Kamban Yemandhaan
  cram - Adisaya raagam.
  
  I'll keep track of things here but if you guys find out that discussion has maxed out OR if timeout of 1 day has happpened, the next in line can immediately post it. You guys should follow this queue too.
  
  I am unfortunately busy at work, but certainly keep posting once in a while and be regularly updating the queues.
  
  Decide on max nof of days discussion
  
  Mukund
  
  
• From: Murali Sankar (@ grad3.ece.sc.edu) on: Thu Nov 5 16:34:59 EST 1998
  
  Let me start "Ilamaiyennum Poongaatru". First of all the song is joint product of Kannadhasan and IR. Hence I would like to discuss it from the point of view of Lyrics .
  
  Situation:
  
  Two lovers are about to make love. The song proceeds as a gentle background for this act. This is as I suppose an "Asariri" song as metioned in the TFM.
  
  Starting slowly with a bell in the prelude with the flute following after the bell goes off, the song generates the romantic air above the two. Once the prelude is over the voice of SPB pops in gently.
  
  "Ilamaiyennum Poongaatru Paadiyathu Or paattu Oru pzhudhu Or aasai sugam sugam edhilum ore sugam"
  
  This line as I interpret tries to convey that the only feeling/thought that the lovers have at that moment is desire to make love and nothing else. No stray thoughts.
  
  I am restricting myself in interpreting the lyrics further. But one point I noted is the following:
  
  "Pesa (Ketka ?) Ninaithaal marandhaall Kelvi ezhummunn vizhundhaall"
  
  This means that she is speechless and probably this is the reason why IR did not use a lady voice to make it a duet.
  
  
  
  
  
  
• From: Rajaraman (@ boo.ucar.edu) on: Fri Nov 6 03:17:16 EST 1998
  
  - thannai maranthu mannil vizhunthu ilamai malarin meethu
  kannai izhantha vandu
  dhega sugathil gavanam kaattu vazhiyil payanam
  gangai nadhikku mannil anayaa..
  
  - angam muzhuthum pongum ilamai itham pathamaai thondra alli anaitha kaigal..
  
  - mangai inamum mannan inamum kulam gunamum enna
  dhegam thudithaal kannethu
  
  Very apt..
  
  
  
• From: suresh (@ bellbird.qut.edu.au) on: Fri Nov 6 03:32:04 EST 1998
  
  SPB/IR/KD at their best; Sridevi at her sexiest, original nose et al..
  But the camera work & direction (IV Sasi) for the song was crass to say the least..not to mention the weird headbanded face of the hero (Ravikumar?) that keeps filling the frame all too often! Way too stupid and comical attempt at portraying the act of making love.
  Contrast this with another IR/SPB song in a similar situation in the woods- VM/KB's "enna satham indha neram" and you will realise KB's superior skills. and of course, kamal's!
  
  
• From: shankar (@ webgate0.mot.com) on: Fri Nov 6 06:53:25 EST 1998
  
  IMO, KB hasn't done full justice to the song.It shud 've been mahendran.Wow, can't imagine how good it cud've been.
  
  
• From: Ramki (@ csx22.cs.wmich.edu) on: Fri Nov 6 09:25:56 EST 1998
  
  Murali i guess they are not lovers,just 2 infatuated,lustful people. THis is what i infer from the lines
  
  mangai inamum
  mannan inamum
  kulam gunamum enne
  dhegam thudithaal kannedhu
  koondal kalaindha
  konji suvaitha kiliye
  enne udalo enne uravo
  
  
• From: cram (@ 206.103.12.102) on: Sun Nov 8 07:50:57 EST 1998
  
  right ramki,
  the song IS about lust. look at kannadhaasan's karpanai in the lines:
  angam muzhuthum
  pongul ilamai
  idham padhamaai thondra
  aLLi anaiththa kaigal
  ketka ninaithaaL maranthaaL
  kelvi ezhum mun vizhunthaaL
  in tha nilai thaan enna vidhiyo
  esp. the last line where he has aptly described how a girl in full bloom of her youth gratifies her desire, only to regret it. she is speechless, because lust has overpowered her against protesting against her lover's (luster's?) advances.
  extremely beautiful lines. the overflowing, b boundless desire in the girl is also expressed wonderfully in a single line "gangai nadhikku maNNil anaiya".
  great song. great lines. a great collaboration.
  
  can we get on to the next one? ellorum enna leave-la irukkeenga polirukku? genreal aave forum-la adhiga activity kaanoam.
  
  
• From: Ramki (@ 141.218.96.68) on: Tue Nov 10 18:43:01 EST 1998
  
  shall we start discussing the next song in the queue??
  
  I will like to chose 'kamban aemandhan'.Its totally a chauvinistic song and some of the lines are really objectionable.
  
  Kamban aemandhan
  ilam kanniyarai oru malar endraanae
  karpanai seidhaanae
  kamban aemandhan
  
  ambu vizhi endru aen sonnaan
  adhu paivadhinaal dhano
  aval arunchuvai paalene aen sonnan
  adhu kodhipadhinaaldhano
  
  deepathin jyothiyil thirukkural padithaal
  deepathin perumaiyandro
  andha deepathinaal oru nenjathai erithaal
  deepamum paavamandro
  
  valluvan Ilango Bharathi endroru
  varisaiyai naan kanden
  andha varisaiyil ullavar matrumalla
  ada naanum aemandhen
  
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  aathiram enbadhu pengalukkellam
  aduppadi varai dhanae
  oru aadhikka naayagan
  saadhikka vandhaal
  adangudhal murai dhanae
  ***********************************
  
  The highlighted lines are extremely egoistic in sense. What really makes the song enjoyable is the
  simple tune by MSV and pleasing voice of SPB
  
  
• From: Udhaya (@ 205.218.142.217) on: Tue Nov 10 19:57:58 EST 1998
  
  Ramki,
  Your highlighted lines are very fitting for the movie's situation because Kamal's character is teasing Sumithra's character and knows that those lyrics will infuriate her. A sort of Taming the Shrew situation. Yes it is egotistical but the hero isn't pretending here, he's intentionally and calculatedly arrogant. I see this kind of like the emotional foreplay between the characters who don't know yet (at least the female doesn't) that they are in love. Good scene, situation, song, movie.
  
  
• From: Murali Sankar (@ 129.252.26.218) on: Tue Nov 10 23:48:28 EST 1998
  
  Shall I discuss "Nalam Vaazha " after this song ,Mukund ?
  
  
• From: aruvi (@ spc-isp-tor-uas-89-17.sprint.ca) on: Wed Nov 11 00:24:25 EST 1998
  
  I have heard the song and I find it pleasant to hear, though not for its lyrical quality.
  
  Ramki
  Male egoism in tamil songs are nothing new. Hmmm... maybe we should start a new thread for this. Alright, just kidding! Back to the song. I heard SPB singing it on stage once. He sang it with a lot of emotion. What I love about this song is its tune. I don't know why but if after I heard it once that line "Kamban emaanthan" tune just keeps coming back to my head. Hats of to the composer. Of course, SPB did full justice to the song. Can someone comment on the instrumental music for this song since I have not heard the song a lot and therefore would like to know if anyone has any contradictions with the musical mood of the song.
  
  
• From: aruvi (@ spc-isp-tor-uas-89-17.sprint.ca) on: Wed Nov 11 00:25:51 EST 1998
  
  I have heard the song and I find it pleasant to hear, though not for its lyrical quality.
  
  Ramki
  Male egoism in tamil songs are nothing new. Hmmm... maybe we should start a new thread for this. Alright, just kidding!
  
  Back to the song. I heard SPB singing it on stage once. He sang it with a lot of emotion. What I love about this song is its tune. I don't know why but after I heard it once, that line "Kamban emaanthan" tune just keeps coming back to my head. Hats off to the composer. Of course, SPB did full justice to the song. Can someone comment on the instrumental music for this song since I have not heard the song a lot and therefore would like to know if anyone has any contradictions with the musical mood of the song.
  
  

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