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Ilaiyaraja and the bass guitar!

Topic started by Srivatsan (@ 219.65.96.172) on Thu Dec 4 06:48:17 EST 2003.
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Ilaiyaraja and the bass guitar!

Dear All, Im a newbie to this wonderful site. Ive just been going through the old IR threads, especially 'Ilaiyaraja and the guitar' and the like. I was fascniated by the way ppl had discussed these topics (Mux, Kanchana and Kitcha ... hats Off!) I am absolutely bowled out by IRs use of the bass guitar in many many songs, like Ninnukori, POOgatru PudhirAnathu and so on. Im planning to learn the acoustic guitar and I thought Ilaiyaraja's love for the bass guitar shopuld be discussed more in detail. Please post ur comments!

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• From: gk (@ 192.87.1.200) on: Wed Apr 14 14:43:54 EDT 2004
  
  http://www.teatrocomunalemodena.it/2003-2004/altrosuono.shtml
  
  
• From: karthik_pf (@ 61.17.73.2) on: Wed Apr 14 17:57:19 EDT 2004
  
  IRs bass guitar work is awesome in so many songs, it's surprising to realize how difficult it is to think of just a few to cite here!
  A few which pop up immediately
  1) Ninnukkori Varnam
  2) Devanin Koil (Aruvadai Naal - Chitra deserves a national award and so does the bass guitarist), 3)Mandram Vandha (Mouna Raagam - if you buy a music system, test the peice with this number), 4) Rosa Poo (Agni Natchatram)
  5) Eeramaana Rosave (Mohan sings this song in the rain with his little daughter)
  6) Chinna Chinna Vannakkuil (Mouna Raagam - what a song! check out the bass guitar in the pallavi)
  and the list goes on
  
  http://www.raajangahm.com/guitarprasanna/
  
  
• From: karthik_pf (@ 61.17.73.2) on: Wed Apr 14 18:16:49 EDT 2004
  
  Srivatsan, yeah that "Ennodu Serndhu Aadungal" song (mike Mohan, right?) has some kalakkal bass guitar work...
  The best part about IRs music when I hear some of his eighties songs now, I discover something new (which wouldn't have made sense to me at that time). It's like going on a treasure hunt. We do have some good music directors now like ARR and HJ but IR was a pioneer ahead of his time.
  
  
• From: Srivatsan (@ 129.188.33.221) on: Thu Apr 15 08:13:04 EDT 2004
  
  yeah karthick, you are absolutely right ... a treasure hunt is what im exactly iondulgin in right now ... some of His songs are so mind boggling!
  
  
• From: BEWARE! (@ 61.11.81.101) on: Sun Apr 18 04:24:56 EDT 2004
  
  Why no one has commented on the title song of "Moodu Pani" ?
  Tha Bass guitar had been used to best effect in this song.
  
  
• From: BEWARE! (@ 61.11.81.101) on: Sun Apr 18 04:26:24 EDT 2004
  
  In fact I was in the studio when the title song was recorded along with Balu mahendra.
  
  
• From: Srivatsan (@ 61.1.200.244) on: Sun Apr 18 12:13:05 EDT 2004
  
  Is "En Iniya Pon Nilave" the title song of Moodu Pani? I havne't watched the film :(
  
  Mr.Beware, can you give the 'name' of the song? Nd if I can ask, how come you were there in the Studio? You play any instrument by any chance?
  
  
• From: Kumar (@ 62.215.3.38) on: Mon Apr 19 16:52:40 EDT 2004
  
  Ennammaa kannu song from Mr.bharath has good bass guitar. Especially listen to the beginning
  of second interlude, bass will float around.
  
  
• From: Srivatsan (@ 129.188.33.222) on: Tue Apr 20 07:13:38 EDT 2004
  
  Kumar, andha second interludea describe panrathukku varthaiye illa ... the song is a great one, though it features as a 'conversational' song in the film ... and the bass is too good ... my guitar teacher is amazed whenever I tell him about such good guitar pieces ...
  
  
• From: Kumar (@ 62.215.3.54) on: Sat Apr 24 15:59:54 EDT 2004
  
  Srivatsan, try this song 'kuthammaa nellu kuththu' from paadu nilaave. You will be hooked to bass guitar patterns from beginning till the end. enjoy!
  
  
• From: Srivatsan (@ 129.188.33.222) on: Mon Apr 26 00:16:18 EDT 2004
  
  I saw this satyaraj-sivaji ganesan film on Vijay TV ystrday ... 'Jallikattu' is the film name i suppose ... there was this super song in this ... "Das daas chinappa das das ... thuppaki thookkamale..." ... apparently this is a film in which Satyaraj goes in many 'vesham-s' to avenge the villains ... one of them is this kadalora kavithaigal chinnappa das vesham ... appo indha paatu vardhu padathula ...enna oru bass ... aaahaaa ..... kalakkkitaaru namma IR ....
  
  
• From: Umesh (@ 203.199.207.3) on: Tue Apr 27 07:31:04 EDT 2004
  
  some more guitar masterpieces from IR
  
  1. Naane naana yaro thana- Azhage unnai arathikkiren
  2. Kathalennum Kovil katti vaithen nenjil- Kazhugu
  
  3. Ennuyir neethane - Priya
  
  4. Ninaivo oru paravai - Sigappu Rojakkal
  
  5. Songs from Johnny
  
  6. Kanmalargalin azhaippithazh - Thaipongal
  
  
• From: Thamizhan (@ 61.2.225.162) on: Wed Apr 28 07:00:55 EDT 2004
  
  Wow,the thread was simply amazing...now going back to listen all those classy olds of IR..Thanx to one and all for giving such a nice discussion on IR's bass works.
  You ppl seems to be very knowledgeable,esp Srivatsan, PrabhuDas,it would be great if there was an objective discussion on bass works of other MDs(ARR,YSR etc) too.
  
  
• From: Thamizhan (@ 61.2.225.162) on: Wed Apr 28 07:17:50 EDT 2004
  
  http://www.network54.com/Forum/thread?forumid=89102&messageid=1051465259&lp=1051465259
  
  One link,where a fanatic without mentioning any good reason, resorts to foolish comparisons,such mindless praisings may evoke some laughter.Have it guys.
  
  
• From: senty (@ 128.231.88.3) on: Wed Apr 28 13:54:13 EDT 2004
  
  i was reading some of the posts in the thread and was also listening to padu nilavey songs... i thought not many would know this song but surely would enjoy it and uploaded the song 'kuthammaa nellu kuththu'.Then again i read all the post's, apparently kumar has already mentioned about it.So some great postings are going on here...Good job...keep it coming guys :).
  so here is the song and the other song vaa veliye from padu nilavey,bass guitar is awesome in both of them .
  
  http://dhool2.tripod.com/KUTTHAMMA.mp3
  http://dhool2.tripod.com/vaa_veliye.mp3
  
  
  
• From: Senty (@ 128.231.88.3) on: Wed Apr 28 14:01:11 EDT 2004
  
  the link is not working if u click directly..
  go to http://dhool2.tripod.com and click on the URL
  
  or open a new window and copy the whole URL
  
  
• From: Thiru (@ 210.214.227.242) on: Wed Apr 28 14:31:42 EDT 2004
  
  Thamizhan,
  Pepsi and coke have standard tastes but tender coconuts taste depends on the soil, fertilizers and climate, just like IR's music sometimes good sometimes bad depends on his mood and so many other external factors.
  
  Tender coconut when produced in a streamlined fashion, when the tastes are standardized can also compete with Pepsi and coke.
  Similarly IR when gives consistent hits can think about entering the global market!
  
  
  
• From: prasanna` (@ 61.247.240.64) on: Wed Apr 28 15:28:22 EDT 2004
  
  guyz, am an ARR fan....was listening to 'vaan megham' from punnagai mannan.....MANNN.....THE BASS LINES ARE MIND BOGGLING!!!!
  
  WHOA!!...hats off raja.
  
  but donno y he is not doing well these days. plz listen to 'viru virumandi virumandi'....the 2nd stanza has stereotypical basslines...juz looped kinda stuff..dint expect it from IR....looked like some HJ had composed it:(
  
  
• From: k (@ 192.138.150.249) on: Wed Apr 28 18:19:39 EDT 2004
  
  "Tender coconut when produced in a streamlined fashion, when the tastes are standardized can also compete "
  
  This reminds me of Eric Schmidt's (CEO of Google) words in an interview today, "inventions cannot be scheduled" ..similarly creativity cannot be guaranteed. You are right IR's output, depends on his 'mood and other external factors'. But the minimum quality is very high. When the rhythm, melody, lyrics, orchestration and singing come together, it becomes a classic.
  
  
• From: Srivatsan (@ 136.182.2.222) on: Wed Apr 28 23:55:10 EDT 2004
  
  That coconut example was good guys, and also the 'explanation' from k. Feels really good to see people appreciating IR, especially after listening to his songs!
  
  
• From: Srivatsan (@ 136.182.2.222) on: Wed Apr 28 23:57:18 EDT 2004
  
  Prasanna: I don't find that second interlude stereotypical - reason: See the way that bass piece jels in with the prewvious stanza in the song . It is not abrupt, and does not 'shatter' your ears. It goes on in the background, and it does feels great to hear Kamal singing in high pitch along with it.
  
  
• From: Srivatsan (@ 129.188.33.221) on: Fri Apr 30 00:51:06 EDT 2004
  
  I was listening to the 'Nilavu Pattu' song from Kannukkul Nialavi by our IR. The prelude to the song is simply fantastic with an amazing electric guitar piece. I get a similar feeling of something that could have been extended into a really rich piece - the same feeling I get when I listen to the TVG's soulful singing+violins in 'Andhi Mazhai pozhigiradhu' and the bass flute intro in 'Aasaya kaathula thhodhu vittu' from Johny. Wish IR would do a instrumental album extending such immortal instrumental pieces.
  
  Digression:
  'Oru Naal oru kanavu' from the same film also has a beautiful acoustic guitar track all through it. Nammma IR nejammave Raaja thaan.
  End Digression.
  
  
• From: Srivatsan (@ 129.188.33.221) on: Fri Apr 30 00:51:53 EDT 2004
  
  sorry for the typ ... film name should read as Kannukkul Nilavu.
  
  
• From: Krishnan (@ 203.145.186.2) on: Fri Apr 30 08:03:36 EDT 2004
  
  gk, thanks for the link. Here is the translation (rough??) of the Italian text about Ilaiyaraaja.
  
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  Ilaiyaraaja is a central figure of the Indian music, popular in its Country for the innumerable resonant columns film from him composed, collaborating with ensemble and renowned soloists in all the Indian. After about thirty year the Indian composer is shown in Italy, directing an orchestra reunited for the occasion. The concert is a new production than ripete the fortunate collaboration between Town Theater of Modena and Angelic Festival of Bologna, after the success obtained the past year with the presence of Karlheinz Stockhausen.
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  I am not able to interpret (or relate to anything) the even though. Was he in Italy directing an orchestra??
  
  Krishnan
  
  

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