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What's the reason for the Cold War between IR and ARR?

Topic started by Pozhudhu pogadhavan (@ 12.92.214.77) on Sat Apr 21 18:07:40 EDT 2001.
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I hate ARR because he didn't respect IR even as a senior in the industry. So far IR didn't pass any comments about him. Is there any personal ill feelings between them?

Again, pls don't start comparision fight here.

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• From: -)) (@ 165.122.129.102) on: Wed Apr 25 15:45:01 EDT 2001
  
  suresh,
  super ending...
  
  
• From: comment (@ 12.5.10.153) on: Wed Apr 25 15:46:43 EDT 2001
  
  Bharath, very very true I agree with you.
  you have left out similar incidents with bhagayaraj, spb etc,
  how ever be prepared to be trashed.,
  already words like "cunning marketing" "money alone matters" etc are coming out leaving out the reality in the name of "being loyal to IR" ...dont waste your time answering them.
  
  
  
• From: aruLaracan (@ 134.124.160.10) on: Wed Apr 25 16:07:12 EDT 2001
  
  aNNan comment has accepted what bhArath says to be true. ellArum oru dhadava jOra kai thattunga.
  
  bharath and comment: actually, let me say sorry to everyone who stood in the queue. i was in the line ahead of "those blokes" who wanted to "see" ir and gain from his contribution; but, using his usual arrogance, ir decided to entertain a few people like me and a couple of other tfmdf regulars. from then on, kb, mr, br, bAg.raj, ... started ditching ir. so please forgive me :-((
  
  (throw more stones, but don't forget to sing "un nilamai konjam iRangi vandhAl nizhalum kUda midhikkum)
  
  
• From: comment (@ 12.5.10.153) on: Wed Apr 25 16:13:19 EDT 2001
  
  yes, you are right, we we were all left out by ir, also we heard the loud jalra sound produced by your group far down from teynampet till kannamapet live from murugesa mudali street.
  
  
  
• From: sabesan (@ 12.47.56.254) on: Wed Apr 25 17:11:16 EDT 2001
  
  hmmm... sometime back *someone* wanted to know if there was some thread *thrashing* IR..... hello Common Friend, here u go..... the *thrashing* punniaam this time started by *comment* (and of course Suresh) :-)
  
  so comment, why did Parthiban leave IR now..... oh may be IR wanted him to wait in queue for nnnnnn number of hours for Housefull.... ada pongaaapaa.... its just that the cycle changed and we saw a new scenario in TFM.... and KB and others used that opportunity..... everyone have their own ego problems, why in the universe blame IR alone for the whole thing.....
  
  Digression
  (comment, one kind request, i really really don't see any personal attack my Arul, so pls do not take anything personal.... ur words are too harsh and pointed to some individuals.... i would say this is totally not wanted.... anyway, its a request only......)
  End Digression
  
  
• From: comment (@ 65.9.136.158) on: Wed Apr 25 17:56:44 EDT 2001
  
  sabasen ok , but tell me why my name was dragged in first place., i just gave me common opinion.
  :)
  
  
• From: comment (@ 12.47.56.254) on: Wed Apr 25 18:00:18 EDT 2001
  
  got u comment :-)
  
  
• From: sabesan (@ 12.47.56.254) on: Wed Apr 25 18:00:46 EDT 2001
  
  oops..... that posting was from me (sabesan) not comment..... sorry comment
  
  
• From: Krishna (@ 64.104.128.15) on: Thu Apr 26 00:52:58 EDT 2001
  
  Common Friend,
  
  >> I have not seen any thread thrashing IR for any reason so far.
  
  
  http://www.newtfmpage.com/forum/24096.08.34.00.html
  
  
  what do you say now????
  
  
• From: MATHURESHAN (@ 213.59.173.1) on: Thu Apr 26 04:07:49 EDT 2001
  
  IR IS GREAT .AR IS COPING .HE DOEST KNOW HOW TO MAKE PURE MUSIC
  
  
• From: Common Friend (@ 203.197.141.183) on: Thu Apr 26 11:06:47 EDT 2001
  
  Illayaraja the Worst:
  
  Krishna : Thanx for the thread. At last I see a thread which thrashes IR. gkg should be a real fanatic. I have not noticed his posting in that thread other than the threads topic. He should have been a passerby who just happened to visit this forum accidently.
  
  Many threads that thrashes (thrashed) ARR were started way back in 1998 , I think. This gkg might have read them and just would have started
  something like this out of frustration.
  Whoever does that, its bad.
  
  But still it's 1:many.
  
  
  
  
• From: Bharath (@ 192.25.158.12) on: Thu Apr 26 14:24:25 EDT 2001
  
  suresh,
  
  u really have to pay attention while u read something. My analysis of ur psycology when u read my posting is, U saw red frm the moment u realised this wasnt an IR friendly posting and simply just missed details and decided to take offense at every available opportunity. okay now here goes ur faux-pa..s
  
  "One is tired of responding to half-baked info "
  
  we all are confident of our information arent we...!!!
  
  "1) Wrong to say that IRs best came with top
  directors. "
  
  yes it is RIGHT to say so. what is wrong is saying IR never gave hits with small directors. There is a ANALYTICAL difference in ur interpretaion of what i said.
  
  "right down to "Bharathi" and "Friends", but then u might say these are hardly good albums. "
  
  i said they are good albums but i said their lack of popularity(bcoz movies were unsuccesful) denied them a reach to the masses. which was precisely my point. i guess reaching the masses is the general idea in movie making business right!
  
  
  "Again, IR never can be accused of outrightly favouring big banners even at the height of his popularity. On the contrary, he's a kingmaker literally turning novice actors (Mohan, Ramarajan) and directors into box office winners "
  
  this is simply a statement totaly irrelavant to what i said. this statement is like this "extra actor" who makes an appearance for 30 secs.just to fill the screen. who denied ur above statement. who said IR favored big banners. In my opinion he also wasted good songs on talentless trash people(especially ramarajan and mohan) .thanx for bringing that to attention.
  
  "2)If your source is a "manjal" mag from kodambakkam, you may have to do better than throw unsubstantiated allegations "
  
  please try and react the the comment with facts and not comment on the commentator, if u get my drift. we r all as good/bad as u are .
  
  //"Don't you even have the slightest remorse as you slander? Common knowledge shows that "Pudhu Pudhu Arthangal" was the last movie in which IR-KB worked together, and no one needs to point out to you the quality of songs in that movie. "//
  
  and so seriously what does that prove. If i said somehwre that this wasnt their last movie i was wrong but i dont remember saying so . which begs the question what point is the above statement trying to prove? is it another "extra actor" in ur posting.
  
  "KB not enjoying the success of the film attributed to the music and so on,"
  
  i also did mention KB's ego being a reason for the rift, which is the simple detail u missed. plus 75% of KB's succesful movie didnt have anything to do with songs. so please he is vindicated. doesnt mean he is ego free but he does have a point.
  
  "3)Maniratnam's break with IR was again attributed to some misunderstanding that IR's family had with GV, and not your favourite all-weather reason of "standing in the queue". "
  
  i quoted a different reason for the rift , infact i quoted 2-3 reasons. u again missed simple details.
  
  "There've been reports of umpteen producers and directors who stand in line to get hold of ARR, would they all qualify as 'boot-lickers' as well? "
  
  yes they are boot likers. if they simply depend on music to pump up their stuffless movie like ur fav. mohan or ramarajan.
  
  "4) Even according to your fantasy scenario, IR is not to blame for the break with BharathiRaaja, so what's your point here? "
  
  as i said u had pre-determined that it was a IR -only-bash posting so u were waiting for me to make a point. it was a simple explanation of analysis behind the rift. not a gory accunt of bad-boy IR.
  
  //"oneself in a cloak of servile humility, well, you won't find too many 'real artists' do that. Yes, he's definitely behind in the race for big-buck commercial glory, but your "money alone matters" mantra is symptomatic of all that's ugly with the film world now. "//
  
  oh! is that so!
  
  so why does he involve himself with movies why doesnt he do individual albums. he wants the fame/money/commercial success! doesnt he? he wants that cash inflow to pay his bills and maintain his huge industry does'nt he? so he has compromised on his "true artistry" has'nt he?
  
  once u step into the arena, u r just a nameless gladiator with a helmet and all that matters is , who is the one the lion did'nt eat.
  
  who cares if the head inside that helmet wanted to be in that fight or not.
  
  bye
  bharath
  
  
• From: cosmician (@ 194.170.1.132) on: Thu Apr 26 15:56:09 EDT 2001
  
  I think IR had reached a stage of compassion where he lent his music and name to help small-time producers to make hits...I think he didn't differentiate between big directors or small..he treated them all equally...
  
  I think that's the only way we can explain this rationally otherwise it makes no sense that when IR was at the peak of his popularity that he has to isolate himself from the big names...
  
  
• From: AG (@ 198.232.250.51) on: Thu Apr 26 16:02:30 EDT 2001
  
  Mr. Bharath,
  
  That was nice and thorough research on IR's downfall. Could you please also shed some light on the following ?
  
  "As soon as KB and Kavithalaya co-discovered ARR . he used ARR for Duet, but his last movie(so far) kalki used another MD"
  
  Why KB went to Deva for 'Kalki'? Was ARR made him stand in the queue with other bootlickers? It cannot be because of ego problem, because only man who can have ego is IR. Don't say ARR didn't have time because the same time he did films for other bootlickers. Please enlighten the ignorants.
  
  
• From: Bharath (@ 192.25.158.12) on: Thu Apr 26 16:27:37 EDT 2001
  
  AG,
  
  very funny! that u think I am ARR's vanguard or his commander-in-chief, well whatever, gave u the impression, i dont think it has substance. all my comments were directed at IR and none gloryfying ARR. he was some "x" person doing jingles and now its his time and he is using it more intelligently than IR in "his time".
  
  to answer ur question! If KB's next movie with "madhavan" has ARR has music director, then, will u be enlightened? or wud u come up with a counter argument.
  
  Mani uses deva and Karthik raja recently in his home production? so does than mean he was also in a queue etc. KB has never been consistent with MD. It may be true he wants to keep music at a less important level in his movies that his style.
  rather than saying he was forced to use deva. give credit to KB he deserves some also.
  
  ARR takes a lot of time to do a music so movies like "kalki" dum dum dum, nerukku ner and assai. which were shot in less time used different MD
  
  in my opinion "standing in the queue" has been taken too literally by people. I know ( and belive me I have really asked from thr right people who have been there) that there r 50 people who stand in front of IR's house fall on his feet and garland him. in some ramarajan movies i have seen IR being glorified on screen. I mean! thats just too disgusting. u can say its not IR's fault but he neednt have encouraged that.
  its this bootlicking that irritates me not IR.
  
  I have not seen ARR accept too many movies at the same time, like IR and I dont think he will do 750 movies like IR, which is good for ARR. the % of quality songs from ARR will definitly be higher than IR when both sign off . but thats just my opinion. yes there will be boot lickers on ARR's door . so what there will be more turned down people unsatisfied with ARR than IR.
  
  times have changed and ARR is more in tune with the modern world is reasonably educated in people and interpersonal skills. he works by appointments and he DOES specifically pick big banners. which is his way of life u cannot question that. He knows his limitations and doesnt bite more than he can chew. and more pertinently his songs under small banners doesnt get picturised well and so is lost.
  
  c'mon i also like IR but I wont claim IR was so savvy enugh to carefully plan and sustain himself in the field. he got carried away by a decade of dominance and thats why is I said he went into a parallel world where he thought he had no competitors.
  
  bye
  bharath
  
  
• From: Bharath (@ 192.25.158.12) on: Thu Apr 26 16:30:11 EDT 2001
  
  i sort of agree with cosmician. he has a point
  
  

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