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Greatest Contribution of Ilayaraja to TFM

Topic started by Gowri (@ 161.142.100.86) on Wed Feb 13 23:08:16 EST 2002.
All times in EST +10:30 for IST.

What is Contribution? It means doing some thing that has never been done before. Or playing a significant role. In Thamizh, the word that comes to mind is "puratchi."
I believe every aspect of our great Isai Gnani has been explored in this forum except for a particular genre of songs. In this particular kind of songs, Ilayaraja is the mudisoodaa mannan. No one from MSV, KVM, ARR can touch Ilayaraja in this matter.

Okay, enough of this, let me get to the matter at hand. I urge all Fans, Fanatics, Dissenters and everyone else to contribute to this thread. Let me do the Pillayar Suzhi:

1. Nethu rathiri yemma (ursurpassed description of what happened)
2. Nilaa kaayuthu (who would have thought that munungals can be put to tune)
3. Antha nilavathaan naa kaiyule pudichen (by the master himself)
4. Eduthu vach paalum virichu vacha paayum (if music can be sexy, this is it)
5. Maaman oru naal malliyapoo koduthaan (innocent but deadly)
6. Orampo orampo rukkumani vandi varuthu (no doublespeak here - every thing is direct)
7. Raathiriyil poothirukkum (what a romatic song!)
8. Vaada vaattuthu (yet another masterpiece by the master himself)

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Responses:

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• From: aavEndhan (@ 64.126.84.100) on: Wed Mar 6 22:30:01 EST 2002
  
  WhyNot: From your earlier post- From: WhyNot (@ 203.24.100.132) on: Wed Mar 6 07:38:19 EST 2002 The problem here is not Gowri or her opinions. It is the hyper-sensitiveness of IR Fans. Even the slightest expression of a negative opinion and you guys are on a campaign to deride the person who made the opinion. yaaru HCIRF, yaaru HCARRF, yaaru HCDevaF nnu neththila otti irukkaa? Pray tell me, how do you come to a conclusion that XYZ poster belongs to a certain group, and a certain group only, and that certain group always? Merely because somebody refutes what he/she finds to be a fallacious argument, he/she is immediately assumed to belong to a camp. nalla kadhaiyaa irukku.
  Since you so clearly pointed out the two groups, let me give my 2 cents on further classification within Group 2.
  Group 2 - Subgroups
  A. DFers who have technical knowhow in the areas of music or lyrics , and have shared their knowledge through valuable meaningful posts. Some of them may have strong likes and dislikes, but one chooses to comment on their likes/dislikes, yet absorb their technical knowhow for what it is worth.
  B. DFers who are fans of music. They may not have the expertise to critique a piece of work (and fortunately they are aware of their limitations) and yet can participate objectively while keeping a distinction between opinion and fact.
  C. DFers who are HCF's of their MD of choice and whose only interest is to increase the volume of "Govindas" in the Bajanai madam. While these DFers do not add value to a discussion, quite often their tone conveys that they are not here for a serious discussion. They are a distraction but not a nuisance.
  D. DFers who belong in group B but think that they belong in Group A. - These are the real pain in the rear. There is no way one can educate them except by reminding them that "their absence of technical knowhow, yet their eagerness to share with the world their ignorance" is leading to a garbage output - and then they scream about "personal attacks".
  E. aah! and then is Group 2E - These are the DFers whose only claim to fame is composition skiils (if so), and are busy in writing looooooong posts justifiying their action in justification of their support for a just argument --- all the while supporting DFers who almost as a rule belong to Group D. Net result - one pain in the rear supporting another.
  
  I really wish there were more of Groups 2A and 2B, but for starters I will settle for less of Groups 2D and 2E. :-)
  
  As dharumi said in thiruviLaiyaadal, "idhil neer endha vagaiyai sErndhavar endru umakkE theriyum. naan sollath thEvai illai".
  
  BTW, just for the record I am neither a HCIRF nor HCARRF - though I have been guilty occasionally of being a HCRGF :-)
  
  
• From: Gowri (@ 161.142.100.86) on: Wed Mar 6 23:55:56 EST 2002
  
  I don’t know whether to be amused or exasperated. Why the dire need to intrude into each others personal lives, motives and what-nots?
  
  Twilight_zone,
  I am extremely disappointed with you. I thought you considered me a friend (based on one of your earlier posting), and I took all your comments
  literally spiced with NOM as stated, without offense. Little did I know that you were seething with so much anger that all it took was one posting from Saran to bring out the worst in you. A smiley here and a smiley does not hide the anger in you.
  Would you have used the “itching” comment if the thread had been started by a man? Or would you have used it if it was your sister or mother who had said the same thing?
  I am sorry, but I am feeling very let down by a “friend.”
  Whatever is done, cannot be undone, but please Vel, in future, do not pass comments of people who post here. If you are unable to accept what is being said, kindly just agree to differ.
  
  
  WhyNot and ROTFL
  Thanks for giving alternate views during my absense. I am comforted that not every thing is lost. WhyNot is doing admirably well. It is a pity that simple logic cannot be reached to some of the people here.
  A note of caution to WhyNot though. I think you have a beautiful relationship with
  Twilight_zone. Please do not allow this subject matter affect it. Think of me as a sentimental fool, but honestly I am worried. Take care, will you?
  
  Even in the Gandhi analogy, if facts say some things, why should we avoid discussing it? A sin is a sin, irregardless of who does it. We cannot simply close an eye, just because he has done some good things as well.
  
  Peacenik
  You have made some interesting observations on the title of the thread. Please read old responses and you will get a clearer picture. I have done an analogy on making a curry. By the way, I am not looking for an amicable settlement, not when I am stating facts. :)
  
  Tigger
  Weren’t you the guy who started the digression on village songs? Now what?
  
  AavEndhan
  I read your posting with a lot of interest. Please ask those who are posting against my points here to apply it too. And only then can you be categorised as a fan of good music.
  
  
• From: twilight_zone (@ 202.88.152.159) on: Thu Mar 7 00:12:35 EST 2002
  
  oh my goodness, dear Gowri, c'mon man. If i had known u were so sensitive, i wud never ever have turned it on, as i have. Hey mate, my sincere apologies, if u were hurt. OK? :-) [Are we still friends? Yes? Now pls have a good sporting smile on ur lips :-)]
  
  [Holy shit...Dear whynot, this is the reason why i generally stay shut rather than react :-)]
  
  
• From: Gowri (@ 161.142.100.86) on: Thu Mar 7 00:56:10 EST 2002
  
  Apology accepted. (and yes, there is a smile on my face. :)
  
  You may wish to go over what you have written, and then conclude whether I was being sensitive.
  
  I wish that people get away from mud-slinging and keep to the topic. (History tells us that this is impossible, but hey, I can dream, can't I?) :)
  
  
• From: twilight_zone (@ 202.88.152.159) on: Thu Mar 7 01:03:16 EST 2002
  
  :-)Phew, Gowri, thanks for wearing a lovely smile back on your lips. Relieves me of some terrible guilt that i hate to store in my mind, as whynot will tell you :-). [P.S: I shudder to think what havoc neutral_fan wud have caused to a gentle person like you, had he surfaced :-). Ain't it dearest whynot? ]
  
  
• From: Saran (@ 164.164.46.41) on: Thu Mar 7 01:53:09 EST 2002
  
  Gowri, Whynot, twilight_zone and others,
  I am a regular surfer here, but i do posting very rarely nowadays, as some topics which are biased against IR have unwarranted, immatured, nasty contents. I usually get irritated by these and hence keep myself away from the forum. After a quite long time, yest i happened to visit here and see this topic titled as "Greatest contribution of IR" but giving an entirely different and highly biased view of IR's contribution to TFM. I was shell shocked by this and the moderator happens to be a girl/woman. Gowri, i accept that IR had given these kind of bad songs and needs to be criticized or condemned or whatsoever it is.... But that doesn't mean that this is the GREATEST CONTRIBUTION of him!!!!! It's surprising! Didn't he give anything nice on all these years? In all his 25 years of music, only these kind of songs strike u as his GREATEST CONTRIBUTION to TFM? On all these years u only heard MUKKALS AND MUNAGALS?? Do u really think ( ask unbiased side of ur heart ) is this his GREATEST CONTRIBUTION??!!
  As Whynot suggests( he always suggest these kind of things when it comes to IR....) We should not question about the title, right? Whynot, WHY NOT???? If gowri, in her OPINION says something, it doesn't mean that we have to only argue in favour or against. We can also tell her/him that what ur title suggests is wrong. Don't u think so???!! If someone starts a thread that says, THE GREATEST CONTRIBUTION OF ARR TO TFM is copying from western songs, will u leave that guy? U will definitely tear him parts in all possible ways, right?? Why u deny this point when it comes to IR?? Is it becos, IR is not ur favourite?!! If someone questions u guys, on all these, He should be a HCIRF!!! And whoever bashes IR like this, can easily escape by saying I AM A LOVER OF GOOD MUSIC!!!! NOM, gowri!!!!:)
  Guys, u can always say whatever u like, as u have the freedom to express ur views, but it doesn't mean that it shouldn't be condemned! As gowri said for that gandhi analogy, i am not against analysing or discussing about the sins(!!??) or whatever name u give by other people. But U should not catagorize gandhi like that, right? Gandhi himself told that when his father breathing his last, he had *** with his wife. If u take this point for an argument, u can always ask why such a great noble person did this. But u should not open a thread that says, THE GREATEST ACHIEVEMENT OF GANDHI for this. Whynot, u got it? I know, u never get the point and ofcourse, if this kind of title had given to ARR, u must have been the first guy who would post all these arguments. I hope that i am not harsh on anyone but these are the true feelings of a music lover ( not a HC )who just loves IR's songs more than any other MD. It's painful to read the comments here. I am so sorry if i hurt anyone's feeling. I dont mean so.....
  
  Gowri, i am sorry, if u feel my earlier posting made twilight_zone made such comments on u...
  
  
• From: twilight_zone (@ 202.88.152.159) on: Thu Mar 7 02:17:14 EST 2002
  
  Saran, most of the regular DFers have come to know you as a very likeable person, and i have enjoyed all your posts in threads that have some serious discussions going. So u need not explain ur position here [no harm though if it helped in setting things right :-). In fact i brought back the smiles of a friend of mine just recently]
  
  (P.S: And special compliments from my side on your knack of writing, Saran, i like it so much. Especially the way u & another DFer suresh put forth ur thoughts into words is just cool).
  
  
• From: Gowri (@ 161.142.100.86) on: Thu Mar 7 02:17:27 EST 2002
  
  It is not your mistake Saran. You just happened to be the catalyst.
  
  You say that you have been an active participant those days. Then, surely you would know that HCIRFs have been calling ARR all kind of names. Not only ARR, anybody who has crossed the path of IR gets the "preferential treatment."
  
  And this includes MSV, Kamalhasan, Maniratnam, Balachander, Rajani Kanth, Vairamuthu, etc, etc.
  
  This thread is a prathipalippu of all the above.
  
  As to why this thread is named such, I suggest you read the old responses.
  
  

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