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Greatest Contribution of Ilayaraja to TFM

Topic started by Gowri (@ 161.142.100.86) on Wed Feb 13 23:08:16 EST 2002.
All times in EST +10:30 for IST.

What is Contribution? It means doing some thing that has never been done before. Or playing a significant role. In Thamizh, the word that comes to mind is "puratchi."
I believe every aspect of our great Isai Gnani has been explored in this forum except for a particular genre of songs. In this particular kind of songs, Ilayaraja is the mudisoodaa mannan. No one from MSV, KVM, ARR can touch Ilayaraja in this matter.

Okay, enough of this, let me get to the matter at hand. I urge all Fans, Fanatics, Dissenters and everyone else to contribute to this thread. Let me do the Pillayar Suzhi:

1. Nethu rathiri yemma (ursurpassed description of what happened)
2. Nilaa kaayuthu (who would have thought that munungals can be put to tune)
3. Antha nilavathaan naa kaiyule pudichen (by the master himself)
4. Eduthu vach paalum virichu vacha paayum (if music can be sexy, this is it)
5. Maaman oru naal malliyapoo koduthaan (innocent but deadly)
6. Orampo orampo rukkumani vandi varuthu (no doublespeak here - every thing is direct)
7. Raathiriyil poothirukkum (what a romatic song!)
8. Vaada vaattuthu (yet another masterpiece by the master himself)

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Responses:

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• From: Aadhavan (@ 210.186.60.191) on: Wed Mar 6 10:17:35 EST 2002
  
  And if someone (read:Gowri) decides to focus on "vulgarity" rather than "eroticism", and in doing so, tries to bring down a great living genius too, what else do i term his/her motivations than name it as "uncontrolled itchings" & terribly in "bad taste" ? :-)
  
  Netri kann thirappinum kutram kutrame!
  Besides IR may be a great genius for you, but to the rest of us, he could be just a MD.
  
  Here is something for you to chew upon: I find your posting downright rude and in bad taste.
  
  
• From: ROTFL (@ 210.186.60.191) on: Wed Mar 6 10:19:14 EST 2002
  
  Ahem!
  
  
• From: Aadhavan (@ 210.186.60.191) on: Wed Mar 6 10:20:26 EST 2002
  
  REPOSTING
  
  And if someone (read:Gowri) decides to focus on "vulgarity" rather than "eroticism", and in doing so, tries to bring down a great living genius too, what else do i term his/her motivations than name it as "uncontrolled itchings" & terribly in "bad taste" ? :-)
  
  Netri kann thirappinum kutram kutrame!
  Besides IR may be a great genius for you, but to the rest of us, he could be just a MD.
  
  Here is something for you to chew upon: I find your posting downright rude and in bad taste.
  
  
• From: WhyNot (@ 203.24.100.132) on: Wed Mar 6 10:24:50 EST 2002
  
  ROTFL/Aadhavan,
  nice to have u back. :-)
  
  
• From: ROTFL (@ 210.186.60.191) on: Wed Mar 6 10:26:26 EST 2002
  
  Thanks WhyNot. You have actually been doing a great job, and I could not do better.
  
  I need to go to bed now, but you can count on me being here tommorow - same time, same place, same thread.....
  
  
• From: twilight_zone (@ 203.199.245.13) on: Wed Mar 6 13:49:27 EST 2002
  
  dearest & loveable whynot,
  
  “.. vel, dont question her 'motives'! It's not our business. didn't u read my last post???”
  
  hah, good joke whynot. Say a person who has been regularly attacking you in DFs suddenly posts a compliment on you. Will you not think hard about the motives? Or suppose a admirer of yours (like ROTFL) suddenly launches a personal attack, will u not think on what motivated him to do that in first place? If searching for motives were not ur business, u wud hardly react to any of the so-called personal attacks, since they wud not mean anything, when seen without the motive background. The same logic applies here too.
  
  “...cassette player she has in her home plays only “vulgur” songs….tat's a personal attack……”
  
  Is it? Off 10,0O0 odd songs of IR, she cud name only a few vulgar songs, it only means she has selective amnesia..or her cassette player has selective play option :-))
  
  “…. her posts reveal to me someone wit a varied knowledge of tfm. If she starts a thread on one topic doesn't mean she doesn't have interests or knowledge in other topics. ..”
  
  thanks for pointing that out dear. I wudn’t have guessed had u not told :-)
  
  ”….. I dont find her opinions biased. She seems to be able to cite specific examples to back up what she is saying...”
  
  To matter how crazy one’s viewpoint is, there’s gonna be ample examples that can be used as support. That doesn’t make a “biased opinion” any better.
  
  "...What u mean is, you do not like nor agree with her opinion and hence, consider them to be biased. Yours is another bias...."
  
  Wow, u r good at psychology. Agreed, I will be the last person on earth to either like or agree with her “biased” opinion. Mine is another bias, but how about you dear? Close ur eyes, take a deep breath, and see what “biases” u r a host to. :-))
  
  “....Now if someone starts a thread that “Mahatma Gandhi – a meat eater & drunkard”.... it is based on some truth (no smoke without fire), so i'll be very interested to participate in this thread, and learn something from it, but definitely not to bash the person who started it and to question his/her motives..."
  
  Oh yeah. When u complain abt ppl making personal attacks on you, why don’t u apply the same logic dear Whynot? Why don’t u participate in an open discussion with the person who is making a personal attack against you, and learn something from it? Instead, for instance, in tigger’s case, u said u won’t talk to him anymore? Why? U need to stick to the standards u preach to others dear :-)) If it were discussion against Mahatma Gandhi or IR, u wud still try to learn something out of it, but when it comes to someone making a personal attack on you, u wud not even want to talk to the person is it? That beats me :-))
  
  "...Remember that NO JARLA.... I know about ur intense hatred for no jalra, so I shall not bother provoking you further by defending him here..."
  
  oh, I never knew defending a person like NO JALRA cud be an assignment that one can be ever proud of. In fact, even bashing him was a painfull exercise to me, as I knew I was wasting my precious time on a senseless unpleasant moron, who showed little signs of mending himself.
  
  "...but do not compare anyone you do not like with No Jalra, simply bcos they did not have the same opinions as you...."
  
  When anyone u do not like is branded as HCIRF (or is it the other way round, I dunno) by you, how come u expect me to not take that guy as an example. But all the while during my campaign against his stupid threads, I didn’t project him to be belonging to ARR camp. B’cos I knew he cared a foot for either ARR or IR, and all he wanted was some attention.
  
  "..."freedom of thgouthless blabber”... No way, I will never agree that Gowri falls under that category. And this is where we reach your opinion vs. mine. She makes sense to me, even if she doesn't to you. :-) <<<<
  
  May be she is another crazy Aquarian like you :-))
  
  <<...Anyway, who are we to judge?.... Finally, u r seeing my point. Exactly. Who r we to judge others for their opinions? >>>>
  
  Opinions yes, but not for “biased, thoughtless” opinions.
  
  
• From: Isai Priyan (@ 157.95.211.50) on: Wed Mar 6 14:23:05 EST 2002
  
  Woo woo wooo hold on guys...
  This thread is getting heated up!!!
  lets cool it down a bit!!!
  RAGU,why don't you pour in your esteemed comments on this topic?!?!
  twilight_zone (@ 203.199.245.13), WhyNot (@ 203.24.100.132),Aadhavan (@ 210.186.60.191:
  You guys come back after this AD.
  OVER TO RAGU:
  
  
• From: (^!^) (@ 208.24.179.207) on: Wed Mar 6 14:58:47 EST 2002
  
  Isai Priyan:
  
  Aadhavan Oda alter-ego (though judging from some of his posts, any ego is undeserved), ROTFL a vittutteengaLE. :-( :-)
  
  
• From: peacenik (@ 131.107.3.67) on: Wed Mar 6 15:49:09 EST 2002
  
  Gowri,
  
  Here is my suggestion on what the topic could've been: "Greatest contributions of Ilayaraja to Virasa padalgal" or "Ilayaraja - the king/ Greatest Contributor of Virasa padalgal in TFM".
  
  There is a sea of difference between "Ilayaraja - Greatest contributor to virasa padalgal in TFM" and "Greatest contribution of Ilayaraja to TFM is Virasa padalgal" (which the title unwittingly suggests, thereby giving the impression you think IR had nothing better to contribute to TFM than Virasa padalgal). The second para in the title actually conveys the real intent to some extent (that IR is king of this Genre by stating "In this particular kind of songs, Ilayaraja is the mudisoodaa mannan"), but apparently the title does the most damage.
  
  All this IR/ARR confusion could be avoided if only you agreed that the title is indeed misleading. I don't see a post to that effect. May be clarifying that could lead to an amiable discussion.
  
  
  
• From: tigger (@ 205.219.204.23) on: Wed Mar 6 15:49:51 EST 2002
  
  “....Now if someone starts a thread that “Mahatma Gandhi – a meat eater & drunkard”.... it is based on some truth (no smoke without fire), so i'll be very interested to participate in this thread, and learn something from it, but definitely not to bash the person who started it and to question his/her motives... WhyNot
  
  I agree with you here, but if someone starts a thread titled
  
  "Mahatma Gandhi's greatest contribution to India"
  
  and then in the body of the thread gives an explanation for what they mean by "greatest" and then starts discussing some of Gandhi's weirder experiments like sleeping with his female assistants in the nude to test his resolve etc. would u still approach the thread with an open mind?
  
  
• From: WhyNot (@ 203.24.100.132) on: Wed Mar 6 18:57:55 EST 2002
  
  vel,
  you are getting confused.
  There are two groups of personalities here.
  
  The first one consists of people we are discussing about.
  Example: IR, ARR, Gandhi, SPB, etc.
  
  The second consists of people who are involved in the discussion.
  Example: Twilight_Zone, WhyNot, magix, tigger, Aadhavan, Raghu, Isaipriyan, no jalra, etc.
  
  Now, if someone starts the thread "SPB's greatest contribution" or expresses an opinion that SPB's voice is not that great, we do not start to question the motives on the forum and attack the person (From Grp2, ie. the DFer) on a personal level.
  
  On the other hand, let us say that Raghu (this is just an example) attacks Isai priyan constantly by talking about some kattais, then it is a personal attack and now we are allowed to question the motives behind it. [this is a random example, not based on any real life incidents]
  
  It is that simple. Elementary logic.
  
  I stopped talking to tigger (and now I believe I am in 'talking terms' with him) bcos he constantly made personal attacks against ME. Not bcos he attacked ARR or some other Group 1 personality.
  
  I will question motives if someone launches a personal attack against a Group 2 personality. Like there were many bashings against no jalra and the same thing with Gowri. The reason why I keep telling you to stop attacking her on a personal level.
  
  Now Gowri's focus of discussion is IR, who belongs to the former category. We are allowed to discuss about him. That's the purpose of this df. You can't expect everyone here to pour forth their admiration only for him. We have other websites dedicated for that purpose, if that is the sole intention.
  
  ....Opinions yes, but not for “biased, thoughtless” opinions.....
  You are entitled to give a different opinion. But yours will just be be another opinion. You can't be a judge on whether somebody else' opinion is biased or thoughtless. This is where you start to get personal..
  
  ...Mine is another bias, but how about you dear?...
  I recognise my bias enuf not to question the motives or the personal worth of others for the only reason they did not worship an idol of mine in the same way I do. Believe me, if someone started a thread like this about ARR, you will not find me getting excited about the personal worth or motives of the thread starter.
  
  .....Off 10,0O0 odd songs of IR, she cud name only a few vulgar songs.....
  She is naming the songs for her topic. She can't have a thread on erotic songs and then go on to cite bahkthi padalgal right?
  
  btw, thanks for holding out for so long without making any personal attacks on Me. :-)
  Keep it up.
  
  Remember, I belong to Group 2. So does Gowri and no jalra and you.
  IR belongs to Group 1. So does Gandhiji, Einstein, Bin Laden and SPB.
  
  
• From: WhyNot (@ 203.24.100.132) on: Wed Mar 6 19:09:28 EST 2002
  
  .....but if someone starts a thread titled
  
  "Mahatma Gandhi's greatest contribution to India"
  
  and then in the body of the thread gives an explanation for what they mean by "greatest" and then starts discussing some of Gandhi's weirder experiments like sleeping with his female assistants in the nude to test his resolve etc. would u still approach the thread with an open mind?....
  
  Tigger, u right there. I will not agree that Gandhi's weirdest experiments are his greatest contribution to India or mankind.
  
  But u miss my point. I do not even agree with Gowri that IR's erotic songs are his Greatest Contribution to tfm. That is not the point.
  
  What I am saying is that whether or not you agree with her opinion that this is the greatest contribution, you can state an alternate opinion. However, you shud not start to question the motives for her starting this thread or make personal attacks against her for doing so.
  
  The reason why I keep emphasising this is bcos this whole discussion between me and vel started bcos he asked me to tell him what I think is the hidden motives behind her starting this thread (and in the process made some unpleasant personal attacks against her).
  
  As for ur Gandhi example above, I will be personally amused that this person thinks Gandhi's weird experiments are his Greatest Contribution, but will not start talking about the hidden agendas of the topic initiator or make personal attacks against that person.
  
  

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