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Greatest Contribution of Ilayaraja to TFM

Topic started by Gowri (@ 161.142.100.86) on Wed Feb 13 23:08:16 EST 2002.
All times in EST +10:30 for IST.

What is Contribution? It means doing some thing that has never been done before. Or playing a significant role. In Thamizh, the word that comes to mind is "puratchi."
I believe every aspect of our great Isai Gnani has been explored in this forum except for a particular genre of songs. In this particular kind of songs, Ilayaraja is the mudisoodaa mannan. No one from MSV, KVM, ARR can touch Ilayaraja in this matter.

Okay, enough of this, let me get to the matter at hand. I urge all Fans, Fanatics, Dissenters and everyone else to contribute to this thread. Let me do the Pillayar Suzhi:

1. Nethu rathiri yemma (ursurpassed description of what happened)
2. Nilaa kaayuthu (who would have thought that munungals can be put to tune)
3. Antha nilavathaan naa kaiyule pudichen (by the master himself)
4. Eduthu vach paalum virichu vacha paayum (if music can be sexy, this is it)
5. Maaman oru naal malliyapoo koduthaan (innocent but deadly)
6. Orampo orampo rukkumani vandi varuthu (no doublespeak here - every thing is direct)
7. Raathiriyil poothirukkum (what a romatic song!)
8. Vaada vaattuthu (yet another masterpiece by the master himself)

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• From: WhyNot (@ 203.24.100.132) on: Wed Mar 6 07:38:19 EST 2002
  
  vel, if you are fine with her talking about "eroticism" and "vulgarity" then why does it hurt you if she focuses on IR's work? Then you are not fine with it in fact.
  
  You see, Gowri is not a dummy who is going to pretend she likes all the eroticism she comes across. While exploring IR's works, she finds that some of it is simply crude and hence, she terms it as 'vulgarity'. That's her opinion. This forum is here for us to express our opinions. So why shud she airing her opinion come across to you as 'bringing down' IR? Is IR's reputation so fragile that the opinion of one person (or even a group of people) is going to bring him down?
  
  The problem here is not Gowri or her opinions. It is the hyper-sensitiveness of IR Fans. Even the slightest expression of a negative opinion and you guys are on a campaign to deride the person who made the opinion.
  
  Don't get me wrong. I know from experience that this is the part when everyone will start pointing fingers at me and saying I'm a bad bad ARR Fan myself. But hey, I have heard opinions expressed about his (ARR's) poor bgm, mediocre hits recently, repetitive songs, etc. I did not go around making personal attacks on these guys or claim they were 'bringing down' a genius. Bcos I know that no matter how they may rave, they are not gonna be able to bring down ARR. So what's wit u and this notion that Gowri's freedom of speech is going to bring down IR??
  
  My opinion is that Gowri has all rights to talk about IR's songs (and YES, FOCUS on IR or anyone else who catches her fancy), his erotic songs, his vulgar songs, or any other genre of songs, and she shud be able to state her opinions freely without her presumed hidden motives and her own personal worth being questioned. She has maintained much calm and has refrained from making personal attacks on others even despite having been much provoked, and that for me, speaks much more about her personal worth.
  
  Her choice of interest to focus a thread on, is not anyone's business to comment upon. It remains her choice and she shudn't be criticised for making that choice.
  
  
• From: italics (@ 161.150.2.250) on: Wed Mar 6 08:15:16 EST 2002
  
  
  
  
• From: Tryingagain (@ 161.150.2.250) on: Wed Mar 6 08:15:51 EST 2002
  
  
  
  
• From: twilight_zone (@ 202.88.152.159) on: Wed Mar 6 08:27:16 EST 2002
  
  :-) dearest whynot
  
  Yes, had the thread been “eroticism in tfm” or atleast “vulgarity in tfm”, it wud be fine by any standards. But don’t u plainly see the motives just reading the “topic” of the thread. Huh? It only shows two things. Her cassette player she has in her home plays only “vulgur” songs, and that too “vulgar songs in IR’s music”. Funny isn’t it? :-)))
  
  
  You yourself say that while exploring IR’s work she finds “some” of songs crude. If only “some” have been found crude & vulgar, don’t u think it is in bad taste then to name such songs as the “greatest” contribution of the genius music maker?
  
  Yes, this is a public forum and it is there to air individual opinions. But as u shud logically see, that is again the very reason why a person shud maintain some decorum and think twice before he/she goes public with his/her views. Posting a opinion is fine, but how abt a pathetically biased opinion?
  
  And regarding ur question of whether it wud bring IR’s reputation down and if his reputation were so fragile, see its like this. ..We all know mahatma Gandhi , and that once used to drink liquor & eat meat in his youth. Now if someone starts a thread that “Mahatma Gandhi – a meat eater & drunkard”, will u still stay away from the thread diplomatically and say,”gee, this is a public forum, and everyone can give their opinion”…huh?
  
  And when u react against such a hypothetical post, does that mean Mahatma Gandhi’s reputation is very fragile & it needs protection? Think dear whynot :-)
  
  And we IR Fans, (if ur hell-bent on labeling us as that, no hassles) are not against negative opinion. But how abt biased opinion? There is a world of difference between being “negative” & being “biased”. Remember that NO JARLA and his pathetic threads, before ADMIN chucked him out? How will u prefer to name his threads, “negative” or “biased” or “stupid”?
  
  I agree there is “freedom of speech”, but how about “freedom of thgouthless blabber” ? And u say that her remaining calm even when provoked speaks more about her personal worth. but she has made a “stinking, horrible bad noise” right at the introduction of this thread, and that tells me quite a different story abt her personal worth. But as u rightly said, we all have “freedom of thought & opinion”. So my opinion abt her self worth differs drastically from ur opinion of her self worth. :-)) . Anyway, who are we to judge? The person shud know better….
  
  
• From: WhyNot (@ 203.24.100.132) on: Wed Mar 6 09:30:42 EST 2002
  
  ....But don’t u plainly see the motives just reading the “topic” of the thread....
  vel, dont question her 'motives'! It's not our business. didn't u read my last post???
  
  ...cassette player she has in her home plays only “vulgur” songs...
  tat's a personal attack. her posts reveal to me someone wit a varied knowledge of tfm. If she starts a thread on one topic doesn't mean she doesn't have interests or knowledge in other topics.
  
  ....Posting a opinion is fine, but how abt a pathetically biased opinion...
  I dont find her opinions biased. She seems to be able to cite specific examples to back up what she is saying. What u mean is, you do not like nor agree with her opinion and hence, consider them to be biased. Yours is another bias.
  
  ....Now if someone starts a thread that “Mahatma Gandhi – a meat eater & drunkard”....
  obviously according to u, it is based on some truth (no smoke without fire), so i'll be very interested to participate in this thread, even if jus to discuss how he overcame his habits and to learn something from it, but definitely not to bash the person who started it and to question his/her motives.
  
  ....And when u react against such a hypothetical post, does that mean Mahatma Gandhi’s reputation is very fragile & it needs protection?...
  You dont get my point, do u? No matter how I may behave, his reputation is NOT fragile. But i have to keep tat in mind when reacting to such a statement. If I start bashing the person and question his/her motives and conclude he is bringing down Gandhi with such a statement (eventhough it is based on some truth), then I am reacting AS IF Gandhi's reputation is fragile.
  
  ...Remember that NO JARLA....
  I know about ur intense hatred for no jalra, so I shall not bother provoking you further by defending him here, but do not compare anyone you do not like with No Jalra, simply bcos they did not have the same opinions as you.
  
  ...“freedom of thgouthless blabber”...
  No way, I will never agree that Gowri falls under that category. And this is where we reach your opinion vs. mine. She makes sense to me, even if she doesn't to you. :-)
  
  ...Anyway, who are we to judge?....
  Finally, u r seeing my point. Exactly. Who r we to judge others for their opinions?
  
  
• From: WhyNot (@ 203.24.100.132) on: Wed Mar 6 09:44:02 EST 2002
  
  ......You yourself say that while exploring IR’s work she finds “some” of songs crude. If only “some” have been found crude & vulgar, don’t u think it is in bad taste then to name such songs as the “greatest” contribution of the genius music maker?.......
  It's her opinion. She somehow feels that this is where he changed the trends of tfm. In my opinion, it's not 'bad taste', just a different opinion or a different way of looking at the same picture (marupakkam).
  
  
• From: ROTFL (@ 210.186.60.191) on: Wed Mar 6 09:58:07 EST 2002
  
  < whistle > < whistle > Way to go WhyNot!
  
  Even if I decide to take it easy, some guys (precisely Mr. Vel - hehehe) won't let it go! :)
  
  Vel - I thought that you were "alright" but I see you in your true colours now - a wolf in sheep's clothing!
  
  Ghandi engey, Ilayaraja engey. Now I can go to sleep happily ROTFL.
  Vesham kanjuchu doi doi doi doi.. :)
  
  VELS IS A HCIRF!
  
  Hehehehe!
  
  
• From: Aadhavan (@ 210.186.60.191) on: Wed Mar 6 10:03:48 EST 2002
  
  magix, you are being naive if you think IR had no control over lyrical content of songs. There was obscenity in Tamil movies in the early days, but they were few and far between. In the late 70's IR brought a new breath of life to vulgarities and introduced it in a scale never seen before in TFM. After his heydays were over (which is the present) obscenity has taken a backseat again.
  Now tell me, who is responsible for flooding TFM with crudity and vulgarity?
  
  Before the HCIRF's get excited, I concede that there is still some obscenity in today's songs, but these are nothing in comparison to IR's heydays!
  
  
• From: ROTFL (@ 210.186.60.191) on: Wed Mar 6 10:05:14 EST 2002
  
  Ippothu twilight_zoneukku oraikkuthaa? :)
  
  
• From: Aadhavan (@ 210.186.60.191) on: Wed Mar 6 10:12:24 EST 2002
  
  Whatever the agenda of Gowri, the agenda of HCIRF's (which includes Vels) in this forum is to proclaim to the world that IR is still a force. They just cannot accept the fact that IR is a goner.
  
  Vels
  
  Gowri was stating a fact and she has every right to say it. If you want to hide the facts and pretend that it does not exist, that is your problem. Sorry man, every thing is recorded and will simply not go away! :)
  
  By the way what do you mean by IR has conveyed a variety of emotions? You think other MDs have not? MKT kaalathilirunthu road-u pottuttu varaanga. Intha road-le thaan unga IR car ottunaar. Please do not forget that!
  
  You complain that Gowri is stooping low to pick on IR. Look into the mirror Vel. You have definitely stooped very very low in attacking her.
  If you cannot accept the fact that IR contributed greatly to vulgarity, that is YOUR problem, not hers.
  
  
• From: ROTFL (@ 210.186.60.191) on: Wed Mar 6 10:14:23 EST 2002
  
  If you are wondering why my messages are coming in bits (believe me, there is no agenda here!), it is because I am answering all your accusations one by one.
  
  And yes, Aadhavan and ROTFL are one, the first one when I am serious and the second, in a lighter - but definite - mood. :)
  And I am not the only one taking multiple avatars here. :)
  
  

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