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Why ARR ignores established/Senior singers?

Topic started by NCR (@ 206.30.30.2) on Tue Aug 6 10:50:06 EDT 2002.
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ARR always promoted new, unheard voices right from the beginning, he always used senior and established singers like PS, SPB,SJ, Yesudass, Mano, Chitra for very less songs. He promoted many new singers. One benefit he got out of this is that we are able to hear fresh voices, but on the other hand he lost the quality of songs by compromising with horrible pronounciation of these singers, lack of experience and definetely missing the punch those experienced singers had.

There are lot of songs, I thought the song would have better if sang by somebody else. Latest BABA too has a wrong selection of singers. Particularly Shankar Mahadevan and Reena Bhardwaj. I would have preferred Sujatha over Reena. What could be the reason?

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• From: Visiri (@ 206.172.123.104) on: Wed Aug 7 13:25:51 EDT 2002
  
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  You blow up one issue and call it as few reasons... dont be a stupid....
  
  >>Well IR never ignored TMS. He has already >>justified it many times. That TMS would sing >>many a times as he usually sings going beyond >>the tune. So he has to take another singer.
  >>These are the few reason why IR did not use >>some so called talents.
  
  Everyone knows the problem IR had with TMS and Vairamuthu. How come IR did not have problem with TMS for Annakili Songs and with Vairamuthu for "Andhi Mazhai Poligiradhu..." from Rajaparvai?
  
  You are totally missing the point of this thread. Here we are talking about why not MDs make some compromise to use existing good talents which any man knows with common sense will be appropriate. Yes, sometimes, MDs make their own rules. All we are talking about is why not compromise in order to provide best songs for the listeners. After all, they are making all these efforts, in order to provide good enjoyable music for people. It is for people not for MDs alone.
  
  Listen to "O papa Lali...." sung by Mano and its Telugu version by SPB. Yes sometimes, established singers and lyricists, sometimes(note not all times), think bit differently from MDs. May be TMS wanted to sing those lines two times because the lyrics could have been impressive and singing two(not many as "a" tries to reason) times could express different emotions or little variations in raga. Note TMS has very strong classical background.
  
  Both singers and MDs(of course lyricists) should compromise and look for providing good songs to people. That is all we are askings.
  
  Is it too much to ask?
  
  Visiri
  
  
  
• From: x (@ 172.147.147.133) on: Wed Aug 7 13:42:46 EDT 2002
  
  Kaathal rojave enge nee enge
  kanneer vazhiyudhadi kannil...
  kannukkul nee than kanneeril nee than
  kann moodipparthal nejukkul nee than
  ennanatho eathanatho soll soll!!
  
  -- guys, listen to this song once again and then tell me if any singer other than SPB could have done a better job?? It was ARR's first song and he chose SPB for that. Enna oru emotion; enna oru feeling.. That's SPB. Whether the song is good or bad, SPB always gives life to the song. Other singers sing as if they are forced to sing without any feelings.. I can bet out of his 35000 songs, not even one song he sang without involvement. He is not a singer who does his job just for money. He is a true singer.. Above all, he is a great human being.
  
  As far as I know, ARR does not use established singers that often is bcos he wants the credit go to him instead of the singer. He chose shankar mahadevan and karthik instead of SPB probably for the same reason. Karthik's voice is very average and he sure lacks many qualities of a true singer imo. I am not saying this bcos I like SPB and I am sure many others would agree with me on that point. Shankar mahadevan is very much overrated. Of course he is a good singer but all he cannot sing a variety of songs. For muthu ARR chose udit for rajini and that became a big joke but at least sankar mahadeven is not that bad. I just can't tolerate that ARR did not use SPB for baba. Just a couple of lines in a duet...-koduthu SPB-i insult panni irukka vendaam... Nenju porukkuthillaye..
  
  
  
• From: siva (@ 63.170.144.101) on: Wed Aug 7 13:53:08 EDT 2002
  
  Hi x,
  
  You gotcha! I agree with u entirely
  
  
• From: Kaumudi (@ 136.142.153.250) on: Wed Aug 7 13:56:01 EDT 2002
  
  Raghu
  Refer to this link: http://www.newtfmpage.com/my/singer/mano.html
  
  
• From: NCR (@ 206.30.30.2) on: Wed Aug 7 14:49:32 EDT 2002
  
  Visiri
  
  >>>Both singers and MDs(of course lyricists) should compromise and look for providing good songs to people. That is all we are askings.
  
  Is it too much to ask?
  >>>>
  
  I want exactly the same. My point is that we listen to song again and again. It hurts when we dont get the feeling, emotion effor that senior singers put in. The casual singing of current singers ( The way Dippu song by SM ) really doesnt appeal.
  
  For an example in telugu there is one RP Patnaik who wanted Udit Narayan to sing a song as per the current trend ( or per directors request ). But Udit couldnt pronounce couple of words correctly. The MD asked him to try till he get correct. But Udit couldnt try and even didnt show the patience. That MD had guts and changed the singer.He never used Udit again.
  
  The basic resposibility of MD is to give a listenable songs where singers atleast pronounce a language properly with a decent voice. and that is what I ask for..
  
  
• From: Genius (@ 65.205.71.253) on: Wed Aug 7 16:22:16 EDT 2002
  
  If movie producers and directors had thought the same with music directors, then we would not have an ARR or a Harris Jayaraj today.
  
  Fresh things make the older things better...
  
  Competition is always healthy and better for the consumer.... I can remember a period when SPB was the only singer and the songs that used to come out of movies were junk and he didnt pay attention...
  Now he has to survive and has to deliver!!
  Just my 2 cents
  
  
• From: STS (@ 12.234.130.220) on: Wed Aug 7 21:58:27 EDT 2002
  
  Genius,
  I agree with you but do we need Udit and all those nasal Northy singers who does not even pronounce words properly. That's horrible. Changes towards better are welcome.
  
  
• From: Raghu (@ 217.158.120.226) on: Thu Aug 8 05:54:24 EDT 2002
  
  STS;
  
  >>I agree with you but do we need Udit and all those nasal Northy singers <<
  
  OF course we DON'T, their voice only suit the girly Hindi Heros, not tamil heros, Udit, Sukvinder, Hariharan r all very nasal singers, Shankar Mahadevan sings like he has conctipation, listen to him screaming in baba song, how pathetic!
  
  X;
  
  >>As far as I know, ARR does not use established singers that often is bcos he wants the credit go to him instead of the singer. He chose shankar mahadevan and karthik instead of SPB probably for the same reason. <<
  
  I was trying to get this into some HCARRF,but they never seemed to have understood this issues!
  
  
• From: Kaumudi (@ 136.142.153.250) on: Thu Aug 8 10:17:48 EDT 2002
  
  OF course we DON'T, their voice only suit the girly Hindi Heros, not tamil heros
  So any hero without a moustache is a girly hero according to you, is it? What kind of an argument is this? STS is talking about how bad their tamil pronunciation is, and you are talking about "girly heroes" and voices not suiting them, whatever that means - no connection whatsoever. And by the way, most of the "Tamil heroes" of the younger generation including our beloved Madhavan, can all be considered "girly heroes" by your judgment.
  
  And all the three singers that you mentioned Udit, HH and Sukhwinder are not, IMO, nasal singers. You've been saying on and on for god knows how long. You call Kumar sanu a nasal singer, yeah I agree, he is as nasal as you can get! You probably have concluded that everyone other than SPB is a nasal singer!
  
  
• From: (@ 203.199.156.4) on: Thu Aug 8 11:58:03 EDT 2002
  
  raghuvaran swami - what is conctipation? Please educate me :-)
  
  
  Shankar Mahadevan is a classically well trained singer with a wonderful range...we must be careful before calling somebody a nasal idiot. SPB is great but not the only good singer.
  
  
• From: NCR (@ 206.30.30.2) on: Thu Aug 8 12:45:36 EDT 2002
  
  (@ 203.199.156.4)
  
  Shankar Mahadevan is definetely a well trained singer. He is trained in Hindustani and Carnatic. His Breathless album is really great. But since he is brought up in North, he is good for Hindi songs. He has an accent when he sings South Indian languages. I dont know why he doesnt sound good as he sounds for Hindi songs. I sometimes really question myself whether he is the same.
  
  I saw one interview of him in TV long back where I guess Pandit Jasraj's daughter interviewed him with different questions on whats the difference between Hindusthani and carnatic music. He explains with examples so clearly I was amazed with his knowledge and command.
  
  But the bottom line is when you hear a song, how good it appeals comes into picture. How good you render is the mark. It doesnt matter whether one is classically trained or not. He doesnt appeal means he doesnt.
  
  
• From: siva (@ 63.170.144.101) on: Thu Aug 8 13:30:33 EDT 2002
  
  I agree with NCR.
  
  I too liked his Breadthless song. The music is good. I liked Alavandham music. But if you ask me about his voice in tamil songs I will give him only average marks. Again I dont have any comment on his karnatic/classical musical talents because I wont know them. It may well be true that he is good on the subject.
  
  But the most important thing for me when I hear a song is how good the song sounds. On that he is not that good.
  For example songs like
  
  1) "Illai endru solla"
  2) "Azhagukku Thai poruppu" he has sung well. But definitely I feel SPB's voice would have been much much better.
  
  
• From: Nijam (@ 161.142.100.86) on: Thu Aug 8 21:13:52 EDT 2002
  
  Don't make stupid statements just because you are biased.
  
  So what if Shankar was raised in Bombay? Wasn't SP Bala raised in Andhra?
  
  Shankar is an excellent singer with near perfect pronunciation.
  
  Don't complain if SPB does not get many chances now. He had more than anybody in the 80s and that is more than enough.
  
  
• From: avr (@ 143.127.3.10) on: Fri Aug 9 00:38:45 EDT 2002
  
  The fact is that PS and KJY sound unbearable these days...they have lost the golden timbre of their voices. Thats the primary reason he turns to newer singers. Even SPB sounds ill at ease in many songs. They all had their peak time and their supreme talents got full exposure. But its over now.
  
  Chitra of course, being a lot younger, sounds really great. He should use more of Chitra.
  
  All IMO.
  
  
• From: Outsider (@ 63.100.210.76) on: Fri Aug 9 09:29:40 EDT 2002
  
  ANY kannada OR telugu MUSIC DISCUSSIN FORUM
  ON THE WORLD WIDE WEB? ANYONE KNOWS?
  
  
  
  

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