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COPYING - IN TAMIL FILM HISTORY

Topic started by s.senthilkumar (@ 203.197.154.163) on Mon Jan 24 07:23:36 EST 2000.
All times in EST +10:30 for IST.

i think "copying" is there for a long time in tamil film history.Here we discuss the tamil songs copied from others.

For a compilation of copied/inspired songs: http://copied.newtfmpage.com

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• From: cosmician (@ 194.170.127.161) on: Tue Oct 30 05:04:50 EST 2001
  
  And I dont think that ARR blindly searches for a rhythm..inspiration...and actually he has really composed many complex rhythms and beats that defy convention...some examples are :
  
  1. Rangeela Re - Listen to the unconventional and comple bass-snare rhythm combinations...any choreographer's challenge...we have not seen this kind of innovativeness in MDs in India so far..
  
  2 Thee Thee - Energetic and super-fast rhythms....actually an adaptation from one of his commercial jingles..maybe VIP Frenchie.
  
  3) Samba Samba - A Rhythm Classic..a model for dance music composers
  
  There are many more..but no time now !
  
  
• From: siva (@ 210.186.221.254) on: Tue Oct 30 05:12:48 EST 2001
  
  cant remember the name of the song, but its from mr.romeo (where vadivelu dances like a nut case).. that song is copied 100% from Nusrat Fateh Ali Khan's "Allah Hoo"..
  
  nusrat's kinha sona was copied by sirpi for " vama mama" , i think for methukudi, or ullathai alli tha.. cant remember... ditto as well..
  
  
  
• From: kiru (@ 192.138.149.4) on: Tue Oct 30 15:13:10 EST 2001
  
  cosmician, good posts. I think ARR should take care that rhythm inspirations do not happen all the time in the future. I am sure he is capable of creating his own rhythms and that is what listeners like me, expect from him - Original rhythms and melodies.
  
  
• From: Bharath (@ 192.25.158.12) on: Tue Oct 30 16:34:10 EST 2001
  
  Kiru,
  
  In england where there are many techno bands coming up by the day and the latino music that also is rahmanish in nature (tongue firmly in cheek ;-) ) ..they seem to cover a lot of rhythm patterns. Almost anything that Rahman does to alter basics and come up with new rhythm sets it may have a parallel in the west.
  
  People manipulate rhythms using some software tools to alter beat times and other loop times to comeup with scores & scores of rhythm patterns...
  
  ARR adds a lot of carnatic , arabian and hindustani creame to such rhythms so that the final outcome is sounds very different. Still my perpective of music is such that I consider what ARR does is original.
  
  But I get your point. I think ARR can try something w/o much help from western rhythms. "en kaadhale" is good example of his potential. I would like something like that.
  
  
• From: melodian (@ 4.4.7.176) on: Tue Oct 30 22:51:31 EST 2001
  
  Just saw the movie: One Night at McCool's ( brilliant, brilliant movie) the very last scene of alternative ending has a song that goes: "my heart is on fire...." a female singer, i did not catch the band name. could be the original of ARR's Endrendrum Punnagai in Kandukandukondein? Almost 100% copy!!!
  
  
• From: siva (@ 210.186.220.74) on: Wed Oct 31 00:39:45 EST 2001
  
  melodian,
  
  Endrendrum Punnagai is from alai payuthey and not KK..
  
  
  
  
  
• From: Karthik S (@ 164.164.82.29) on: Wed Oct 31 02:22:57 EST 2001
  
  Melodian:
  
  Here are some info on that movie and track.
  
  Movie released in 2001. But Joan Osborne's track 'Love is alive' could be older. It sounds vaguely like endrendrum. Surely not a copy and never a 100% as you so claim!
  
  Listen to a clip here.
  <http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/clipserve/B00005B19G001001/102-0493039-9589755>
  
  Take a look at this page:
  <http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/B00005B19G/ref=ase_internetmoviedat/102-0493039-9589755>
  
  And this is the song which has the lyrics 'my heart is fire'...take a look...
  <http://digilander.iol.it/lerenti/lyrics/full/o/osborne_joan/004.htm>
  
  Now decide!
  
  
• From: Karthik S (@ 164.164.82.29) on: Wed Oct 31 02:24:15 EST 2001
  
  Try cutting and pasting the URL, without the '>' symbol at the end which has been added to the URL in the hyperlink in the above msg.
  
  
• From: Karthik S (@ 164.164.82.29) on: Wed Oct 31 02:45:55 EST 2001
  
  Anybody heard songs by the american hip hop artists JayZ? I got a friend's mail saying that YSR uses a lot of JayZ's songs! I'm not sure where to start with regard to JayZ's songs, cos there are so many albums!
  
  Also, there was a post saying that Dum3's Krishna krishna was inpired from a song by Tom Jones. Any info on that? Which song by Tom Jones? Does anybody know?
  
  
• From: Common Friend (@ 203.197.141.187) on: Wed Oct 31 13:06:11 EST 2001
  
  Let me tell you my observation today. I know I am inviting trouble.
  
  As a coincidence I saw the song "raaja raaja cholan naan" from some mohan film and an old tangavelu song "kannale pesi pesi kolladhe" song in two diff. channels at the same time.
  
  I switched the "kannale" song when the first song's "mundhanai moodum rani...thenoorum geedhame...." (sorry for wrong wording) was being aired. What a coincidence? The charanam part of the "raaja raaja" song seems to have been inspired by this song or a coincidence (unknowing outpour). IR would have definitely heard the old song in his youth. So there is every chance of his being inspired by that. That's not wrong.
  
  Now, has this been earlier discussed or am I the lone scape goat inviting trouble.
  One point....when many come out with baseless allegation against slightest of all slightest resemblence in ARR's music, I with lot of conviction and respect to IR point this out. I have not formed any conclusion and I might be totally wrong. What I want to know is has this been earlier discussed.
  I am the one (amoung the few) who understands the diff. between copying, getting inspired and improvising.
  
  Last but not the least...SPARE ME.
  
  
• From: hihi:-) (@ 128.111.113.76) on: Wed Oct 31 15:19:04 EST 2001
  
  I am the one (amoung the few) who understands the diff. between copying, getting inspired and improvising. :-))). I am THE one? :-))))) who are the others?
  
  
• From: Kupps (@ 156.153.255.126) on: Thu Nov 1 00:10:12 EST 2001
  
  CF,
  
  raaja raaja chozhan and kannalae paesi paesi. sounds similar to me too, lets wait for pundits to give their opinion too.
  
  you could have stopped there i.e by saying this similarity or whatever it is. There was no need to brininging in ARR's position to justify your point. Infact, IMHO, this is the point where you are inviting trouble ;-). why? The way you say makes me to feel that your posting is: Hey! I'm CF here, see fellows you are saying that (my) ARR copies when you find small/vague resemblance in a part of his song but see IR has copied a song, which i found out. Now what you are going to say? Isn't it enough to invite trouble.
  
  IMHO, u being a IR/ARR fan is immaterial to bring in this point in this thread. There are always people to criticize others, its better to ignore theirs. The idea of this thread, IMHO, is to bring in copies/inspirations etc to our notice by *any* MD irrespective of liking/disliking.
  
  Let us say that a song 'G' by MD 'X' is copied from source 'S'. Then its the job of pundits, majorities to say that whether it is a copy/inspiration/improvisation or whatever it is.
  
  Please excuse me if i were harsh or wrong.
  
  
• From: Common Friend (@ 203.197.141.187) on: Thu Nov 1 11:13:26 EST 2001
  
  Kupps:
  
  Good.
  I understand your point. Thanks. You were not that harsh.
  Let me throw some lights on some thing that happened to me long back.
  
  You might still remember that there some body here who was posting with the name Aththi. Once, I mentioned a song from some rajni film
  "pattu vanna selakkaraai - enna"
  "thottu pona sondhakkaari" (sorry for lyrical mistake)
  I said that the song was recycled as
  "saami koduththa varam - edha"
  "kuthtom solla yaar irukka" from poomani
  (again...sorry for lyrical mistake).
  
  That Aththi jumped on me and I was not spared. You will remember it.
  My bringing in ARR was actually an act to make my position clear...safe from some more bashing. Also, I lost my idea under fear and desperation.
  newtfmpage is a dangerous place....(no ill feelings).
  
  Okay kupps...what do you feel about the similarity which I mentioned earlier. I open to anything.
  
  
• From: CF (@ 203.197.141.187) on: Thu Nov 1 11:16:34 EST 2001
  
  read
  >>>I open to anything.
  as
  I am open to anything.
  
  
• From: Madhav (@ 172.190.233.103) on: Thu Nov 1 12:28:46 EST 2001
  
  In response to a posting above, someone mentioned that YSR copies JayZ tracks, I should say that it is highly unlikely because JayZ is a rapper and deoesn't really have a melody as such to his songs. He takes olden tracks and raps over them so i don't think this claim is feasible. Also i listen to a lot of Hip hop, Garage, rap and R&B and I don't find any sort of resemblance in YSR's music at all.
  
  
• From: P.yesuthasen (@ 61.11.79.16) on: Thu Nov 1 23:18:23 EST 2001
  
  
  "in the summertimw was origially released by Mungo Jerry in 1970 . Shaggy sang it much much later
  
  
• From: Kupps (@ 156.153.255.126) on: Thu Nov 1 23:35:15 EST 2001
  
  CF,
  
  are you asking about pattu vanna saelaikari and saami koduththavaram? I have listened these two songs but don't remember them. But yes atleast these two lines are similar to me (might be recycle as you say or might be same raagam/raagam family and similar sandham). But you know that i'm not a pundit and not widely listened so lets wait for others to give their opinion.
  
  
  
• From: kiru (@ 192.138.149.4) on: Fri Nov 2 11:06:55 EST 2001
  
  My impression is that YSR tries to understand a style/genre very well before he does a song. In a interview given in London, he mentioned a UK Garage artiste by name and appreciated him. In my books, somebody who gives credit to others, surely do not copy from them, but get inspired from them.
  
  
• From: Common Friend (@ 203.197.141.187) on: Fri Nov 2 12:05:48 EST 2001
  
  Kupps:
  Thanks. Atleast you accepted that there were similarities. Might be raagam or raagam family.
  That Aththi was horible he/she did not even make an effort to understand what I was saying and he/she started jumping on me.
  Let me ask you ...what's wrong in having similarity? When it comes to IR why do some jump to sky and land? IR might be many's God...no problem...they cannot accept a slightest dirt on his idol....but IR is a human...why don't we respect, worship him as human. He has all qualities of human and he is one amoung us. Some times people reach the pinacle of fanatisism. This applies to ARR side to. People who have seldom heard IR, pile up and say that IR is bad and ARR is the best....ridiculous.
  
  
• From: Common Friend (@ 203.197.141.187) on: Fri Nov 2 12:10:56 EST 2001
  
  Another example of inspiration/ improvisation/coincidence...
  
  This time by ARR.
  
  There is an Hindi song
  "Tere bina Zindhagi me koyi
  Shikkuwa ...to nahi...Shikkuwa nahi Shikkuwa nahi"
  
  The flow of the song (initial two lines) is very similar to
  "snegidhane snegidhane ragasiya snegidhane"
  "chinna chinna dai korikkaigal......"
  
  Your comments please...
  
  

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