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Is ARR Running out of Stuff?

Topic started by Ramesh Vaidhyanathan (@ gengw.gensym.com) on Fri Mar 13 15:14:51 EST 1998.
All times in EST +10:30 for IST.

I listened to VandeMatharam in which ARR recycled his own tunes from Kizhakku Ceemayile and a touch of a song from Indira.
Also ARR's recent movies for big time producers like Ratchagan and Iruvar (except one song) and Dhoud in Hindi did not have any notable music. Remember ARRs last hit Minsarak Kanavu music was done long time ago.

If for a major album for Sony released on 50th year of Indian Independence, ARR cannot produce original music, then I have to come to the conclusion that he is running out of stuff. I heard that ARR is planning to cut down on movies and concentrate more on albums. Thus he will have to produce less and earn more.

Right now I do not see any difference in the quality of music produced by ARR and Karthik Raja. In fact I think Deva is doing a better job of providing consistant good quality music.

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Responses:

• Old responses
  
• From: Kuzhapathal kuzhapam (@ master.hyd.deshaw.com) on: Thu Mar 18 14:34:24 EST 1999
  
  Aiyago! Kuzha: Ungalukku puriyave puriyaatha? Naan 'perisai' pathi onnume sollaliye. Avar enge vanthaar inge..avar paattukku rama(na), guru(ve) nu periya level-la poyittirukkaar. Avarai enn izhukkareenga?
  BTW,'Swami'kku theriyaathatha? ANda saraasaram anaithum arinthavaraayitre avar?
  
  Mothathile, neengalum kuzhappam. Unga pechai kettu react pandra engalukkum kuzhappam. Ellam enga thalaiezhuthu!
  
  
• From: thalikuppuRa_vizhundhALum _meesayil_maNNottAdha _kuzhappathin_fan (@ webgate0.mot.com) on: Thu Mar 18 23:28:48 EST 1999
  
  confusion,
  
  perisu suttirukkAr...suttirukkAr nu polambo polambu nu polambareengaLE thavira edhayum niroobippadhA theriyalai. orALA thookaradhukku adhuthavar suttAr...suttArnu polambaradhula enna payan. neenga solla try paNNuvadhellAm disprove AgiNdE irukku.
  
  
• From: Neels (@ 202.54.125.244) on: Fri Mar 19 05:53:10 EST 1999
  
  Guys, to me it looks like 'Dharma Adi'!:)
  
  Lots of people just go ahead and bash up a guy (who's already bleeding) without even knowing the reason why he's getting beaten up!
  
  Chandy!
  Good to see you here. Welcome to the forum!
  Now that you're in this forum, let me advise you not to take part in any such 'Kuzhayadi Chandai'.
  
  Can any one (Mr. Kuzhappam included) kindly list the songs? There seems to be no more than 3 genuine numbers listed here, be it partial or full copy (Darling Darling, Kanavu Kaanum Vaazhkai, Entha Poovilum Vassam Undu).
  
  
  Neels
  
  
• From: Raj... (@ master.hyd.deshaw.com) on: Fri Mar 19 06:04:49 EST 1999
  
  Neels: Kuzhaydi sandai?!!! I would rather say it is "kuzhap(am)adi sandai"!
  
  Basically, as far as me am concerned, I have said exactly what you have said- namely, gimme a list of the alleged copies. Ofcourse, some potshots are thrown but in pure jest...When someone throws muck around, there are two ways to react...one is to odhungify and watch in disgust and other is to try to prevent him . To do that one is sometimes forced to indulge in man-handling the raker:). I am sure I have been polite inspite of provocations...what say?
  BTW, you werent too clear about who is receiving the dharma adi:)
  
  
• From: MS (@ 129.252.22.112) on: Fri Mar 19 06:46:14 EST 1999
  
  "naarkalikku sandai pOdum" - my friend says,has been lifted from "...sappadai vittu sangeetham paadapp pOrOm". I do not know the latter except that it is a very old song. Can somebody help ?
  
  
• From: chandy (@ 209.125.83.228) on: Fri Mar 19 10:29:18 EST 1999
  
  Neels, Raj, kuzhapam and others
  
  We have an IR copy aditha padalgal thread for this cog-list of IR. Why drag the stuff in this thread too?
  
  Lets do ARR-cog analysis here!! and MS, whose songs are you referring to IR or ARR??? if the kuzhayadi sandai continues and this rate, i'll soon come as kuzhapam-II..
  
  chandy
  
  
• From: MS (@ 129.252.22.112) on: Fri Mar 19 10:58:56 EST 1999
  
  agreed and apologized. Thookka kalakkaththil thread maaththi ezuthittaen. :-))
  
  
• From: Mr.Kuzapam (@ 206.139.13.152) on: Fri Mar 19 12:48:54 EST 1999
  
  Neels :
  1. Song in Chatriyan blunt lift from sound of music, "Potukal potalum" (a waltz )
  2. Enjodi manja kuruvee -Lifted from duthches and dirttwater fox
  
  --- No one answered to these above 2.
  I posted this long time ago in IR Copied thread, everyone was busy cursing me.
  
  
  
• From: Raj (@ master.hyd.deshaw.com) on: Fri Mar 19 13:17:29 EST 1999
  
  Kuzhappam: Nobody surpasses you in clowning around, no, not even Ram and co.:)
  
  Your queries have been answered in that very thread but if you are so much of a narcisist that you only SEE posts that contain your name(and what a name!), even if these posts only criticize your muck-raking , you certainly surpass the heights of narcissm. Please do go through the thread again and you'll find why these are not blunt copies or literal quotes but intelligent quotations.
  
  Actually, Kuzhappam, I have a presscription for your kuzhappa noi. Clear your mind of prejudices and try to verify facts before accusing and listen to Raja 'objectively'. Ella noi, nodiyum parandhu pogum including your theeradha confusion:)
  
  
• From: Swami (@ cacher-ext.wise.edt.ericsson.se) on: Fri Mar 19 14:37:32 EST 1999
  
  Kuzhappam has decided (or I fear he is naturally like this) to bash baselessly IR. let him continue. Neenga nadathunga confusion.....inga kooda pesa yarala mudiyum.
  
  One more thing, IR sudarar'nu kuzhapam sollarar, ARR sudarar'nu namba Raj sollarar. The diference is ARR suttufies with a Patriot missile (very powerful and completely destroys(captures) the source. But IR verum oosi pattasu.....aana avar pattu ...naan yen athan sollanum.
  
  
  
• From: Swami (@ cacher-ext.wise.edt.ericsson.se) on: Fri Mar 19 14:37:44 EST 1999
  
  Kuzhappam has decided (or I fear he is naturally like this) to bash baselessly IR. let him continue. Neenga nadathunga confusion.....inga kooda pesa yarala mudiyum.
  
  One more thing, IR sudarar'nu kuzhapam sollarar, ARR sudarar'nu namba Raj sollarar. The difFerence is ARR suttufies with a Patriot missile (very powerful and completely destroys(captures) the source. But IR verum oosi pattasu.....aana avar pattu ...naan yen athan sollanum.
  
  
  
• From: Swami (@ cacher-ext.wise.edt.ericsson.se) on: Fri Mar 19 14:41:52 EST 1999
  
  Mr. Kuzhapam,
  Unga identity koncham avuthu vidunga. Yen intha fugitive mathiri post pannareenga. Tamizham (sorry neenga ennavo theriyathu) veeramanavan.....atleast be so in this thread.
  
  
• From: Mr.Kuzapam (@ 206.139.13.152) on: Fri Mar 19 15:27:39 EST 1999
  
  RAJ AND CO - Why dont you change by
  Clearing your mind from IR prejudices.
  IR has copied both the song, idhula ena prejudices
  
  Arr flicked base score from "like a virgin",
  my claim most of the IR fans here call ARR as a copy cat leaving out all the good things he has done,
  
  It is my job to prove the fact MD's in the past have also copied, IR is not vithiee valiku for this,.
  
  Infact in someother thread one person has put IR thought SPB to sing better...this is called as what? - prejudices.
  
  Swami: Regarding my identity i put it long time ago, verifiy old threads.
  
  
• From: Raj (@ master.hyd.deshaw.com) on: Fri Mar 19 15:38:54 EST 1999
  
  Kuzhapppam: We never had any confusion. So, we dont need to go in for remedial measures. Whereas with every passing post, you only reiterate your confusion..both in your expression and by calling urself kuzhappam . So, you need remedy. Which is why I suggested one known cure for all diseases that I know:). Whether u take it or not depends wholly on your concern for urself:)
  
  
  Let me repeat.RAJA has NOT copied those songs. To know why, please go to that thread and read the responses to your accusation. Since you made the accusation you have to prove it. If I remember right, You had been asked to prove it by producing the notes or atleast precise positions where u can pinpoint the copy.. Which you have failed to so far. So long as u dont ,your accusation is mere mudslinging. Clear?
  
  FYI, I have never in this forum accused ARR of copying etc. I have only expressed a dislike for his kind of music and thats my opinion. There have been occasions where I have, in pure jest , made fun of him .but nevre made any specific accusations because I dont have data...and I never make the capital mistake of theorizing without facts. Got it right? When u make an accusation, you should be man enough to prove it. Idhuvum puriyalaina naan joot:)
  
  BTW, SPB pathi sonnadhum naan thaan. What I said was Raja restrained SPB.As did MSV and otehr seniors. That doesnt imply teaching...clearly, you are confused and have misunderstood my statement about SPB. One more proof that you need the "Raja cure". My sincere advice is that you take it for your own good:). Adhukku appuram your wish.
  
  
• From: Raj (@ master.hyd.deshaw.com) on: Fri Mar 19 15:55:26 EST 1999
  
  Swami: Kuzhappam is Kumar, if I am right. He mentioned that long time back. Initially, people mistook him for Srikanth and poor srikanth had the misfortune of being bashed for Kuzhappam's statements. And I really sympathize with Srikanth for that:) . Lets not accuse kuzhappam of more than he is to be accused of :)
  
  
• From: Mr.Kuzapam (@ 206.139.13.152) on: Fri Mar 19 15:56:33 EST 1999
  
  Raj:
  1. We never had any confusion.
  2. we dont need to go in for remedial measures.
  ---> Good as you have the right to say above statements, I also the repeat the same,
  (You are no the only Mr.Smart - as I mentioned sometime ago, every one here is smart.)
  
  Again : Using my name again leaving the point,
  
  IR lifted those two songs I put, chord by chord, beat by beat - both in Vikram and Chatriyan.
  I cannot write the entire chord progression,
  First come up with what ARR copied in the format you want. We shall discuss further musically.
  do runaway saying we have already discussed tons of things, let us do a praticle examination of a song that you say ARR flicked.
  
  
• From: Raj (@ master.hyd.deshaw.com) on: Fri Mar 19 16:12:26 EST 1999
  
  Kuzhappam: I am sorry but you are really making a **** of yourself. You have not even understood what I said . I said clearly that "I have not acused ARR of copying". I am least botehred about whether he copies or not. Yet, you come and ask me to 'prove' which song ARR copied!:) . No, Kuzhappam , if I claim I am not confused, it is because I am not confused.And my posts stand testimony to that. Whereas you have the right, as you say, to claim you are not confused. But your posts dont reflect that.
  
  Because:
  1. I repeatedly state something and you never understand it...instead, you come and ask me to prove a statemnt I never made. So, face it, you ARE in a confusion. Whether you realise that and take remedial steps , as I suggested with a sincere concern for you, is your wish, as aI said earlier
  
  2. Regarding smart etc. , It is you whocalled me smart earlier and now you say everyone is smart. I have/had no opinion on this issue. So, it is irrelevant to me whether anyone is smart or not. Thanks for bringing it to my notice that everyone is smart , anyway:)
  
  3. You MADE an accusation. Prove it. Vague statements like "Chord-progression" "100% lift" wont do.
  
  Try to understand clearly what I have said. I dont have the patience to react to your confused statements anymore. I wouldnt care two hoots, if you continue to misinterpret me and make such sweeping statemnts as "Run away" etc. Afterall, my sanity is something I have preserved for years and need to preserve for yeras to come..I dont want to lose it by trying to instil things into your confused head..sorry about that strong statement..you pushed me to make that strong statement:(
  
  
• From: bb (@ schubert.crhc.uiuc.edu) on: Fri Mar 19 16:43:30 EST 1999
  
  raj:
  
  From: vijay (@ 129.252.26.62) on: Mon Mar 8 18:13:29 EST 1999
  2. pootukal potaalum copied from the 'sound of music song'-raindrops and roses...
  - again only the rhythm is similiar, the tunes are entirely different. IR has his own great borchestration in that
  song.
  
  idhu mattum thaan naan paathEn.. en jodi manja kuruvi, i didn't see any one refuting it.. am i missing something?
  BTW, indha thread IR copy adiththa paadalgaL thread kooda sEththukkalaamaa:-)))
  
  

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