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Is ARR Running out of Stuff?

Topic started by Ramesh Vaidhyanathan (@ gengw.gensym.com) on Fri Mar 13 15:14:51 EST 1998.
All times in EST +10:30 for IST.

I listened to VandeMatharam in which ARR recycled his own tunes from Kizhakku Ceemayile and a touch of a song from Indira.
Also ARR's recent movies for big time producers like Ratchagan and Iruvar (except one song) and Dhoud in Hindi did not have any notable music. Remember ARRs last hit Minsarak Kanavu music was done long time ago.

If for a major album for Sony released on 50th year of Indian Independence, ARR cannot produce original music, then I have to come to the conclusion that he is running out of stuff. I heard that ARR is planning to cut down on movies and concentrate more on albums. Thus he will have to produce less and earn more.

Right now I do not see any difference in the quality of music produced by ARR and Karthik Raja. In fact I think Deva is doing a better job of providing consistant good quality music.

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Responses:

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• From: Srinath (@ 202-80-142.ipt.aol.com) on: Sun Mar 14 12:22:33 EST 1999
  
  Thanee:
  I cannot repeat my all posts in words with 2 syllables or less for you to understand. Go back through the old responses if you are still curious.
  
  
• From: Ram (@ ott-on8-65.netcom.ca) on: Sun Mar 14 13:52:22 EST 1999
  
  Srinath,
  
  Thanks for the English lesson.
  
  Similar to the "Foot in the mouth" phrase, "head in the 'expletive'" is another way of saying a person is stuck up, that's all I was saying. But you are the one who misunderstood it.
  
  I use it to describe IR fans who are ignorant and patronize ARR fans, because they have a different taste.
  
  Now this is the first time I am doing this, but would it be correct to say "You have your foot in your mouth" (because you thought I misunderstood what you said and said something vulgar, but it was you who misunderstood)?
  
  
• From: Madhan, Goa. (@ 202.41.117.61) on: Sun Mar 14 14:24:52 EST 1999
  
  Dear Thanee,
  
  How is that ?
  
  " almost 90-95% of ARR's songs were top of the chart music in more than one language" -
  
  Do you know that Daler Mehndi , the king (?????!!!!!!!!!!!!) of Indi Pop, makes more money in one show than what Beethoven would have made in his entire life and DM is definitely more popular than Beethoven, at least in India.
  
  Do you know that Charles Sobraj ( the guy who killed 18 girls), on any day, is more popular than Ms.Kiran Bedi, who single handedly rebelled against the acrimonius authorities to bring back some semblance of sanity to the police force ?
  Do you know that on any day, Bandit Queen is better known among the villages of North India, than, Swami Vivekananda ?
  
  Do you know that ............. I can go on -
  
  but it might be considered a digression from this thread -
  
  "Guru failed to impress a majority" - now you have touched a very sensitive issue - if you had generally talked about music , fine, but you have specifically mentioned "GURU" - that either smacks of absolute ignorance of quality or maybe your head is in the same orifice as that of Mr.Ram's !!
  
  So here we are not talking about quality, the core point is "popularity" , right ?
  
  In that context, ARR's music is as popular , nay as notorious as Charles Sobraj, as infamous as Bandit Queen and as unasthetically created ( if at all it were created !) as Daler Mehndi's works.
  So, even in your subconscious mind, you seem to be wholeheartedly agreeing that Raja's music is superior in quality, but not as popular as ARR's music, right ??!!
  
  "YAANAI PADUTTHAALUM KUDHIRAI MATTAM "
  
  But the ARR horse is more glitteringly and gaudily decorated, giving the wrong impression that it is taller than the Elephant !
  
  "UYARA UYARA PARANDHAALUM, OOR KURUVI PARUNDHAAGA MUDIYAADHU"
  
  But the ARR "Kuruvi" is riding the wings of popularity propelled by the Satellite television and is trying to fly higher , but goes back to the "cut and paste, stick and paste" station for refuelling.
  
  
  
  
• From: Srinath (@ spider-to042.proxy.aol.com) on: Sun Mar 14 16:32:17 EST 1999
  
  Ram:
  "head in the 'expletive'" is a no-no because of the expletive ! Your call...
  
  
• From: SM (@ pmnat01-p22.sgum.mci.com) on: Sun Mar 14 19:05:35 EST 1999
  
  Madhan,
  
  kudhirai, oor kuruvi indha examples kooda konjam ok. Aanal, Daler Mehndi, Charles Sobraj, Bandit Queen? idhu konjam over :-))
  
  Kadaisiyila ARRa, Daler Mehndi, Charles Sobraj, Bandit Queen, indha koottathoda serthitteengaLae!!!:-)) Irundhaalum paavam ARR:-))
  
  
• From: eden (@ 202.54.71.145) on: Sun Mar 14 23:19:27 EST 1999
  
  Thanks Mr Thanee for reinstating what I have posted sometime back in one of the threads - that ARR is someone like Videocon while Deva is the Indian dealer of Aiwa. Yes, he is a master in technology trasfer (TT) which needs only localisation expertise but no design stuff. That is what precisely what the title of the thread is.
  
  Well, all the guys including HCARR fans now seem to agree that this guy is running out of original stuff and needs `Suzuki' taking the major stake.
  
  
• From: Shankar (@ webgate0.mot.com) on: Mon Mar 15 02:54:48 EST 1999
  
  
  
  SM,
  
  if u put daler mehendi in the category of Charles Sobraj and bandit Qn then ARR certainly deserves a place in that elite group
  
  
• From: SM (@ pmnat01-p17.sgum.mci.com) on: Mon Mar 15 04:12:36 EST 1999
  
  Shankar,
  
  I didn't put Daler Mehndi with these people. Admitted, I was not clear in that posting. I considered Daler Mehndi as a separate entity and the other two as another entity. It is not correct to group DM and ARR with thse two criminals. And, I won't include ARR with DM also. ARR is definitely far better than DM. All the above, IMO.
  
  
• From: Mr.Kuzapam (@ 206.139.13.152) on: Mon Mar 15 10:04:13 EST 1999
  
  Madan : what do want to say ? why this pulambal?
  What does shobraj got to do with music....or DM -- he does album not movies,
  "Sutha Pethal" ...may someone help you in this.
  Yanai - gutharai...is this the animal planet....
  SatTV, Cheap popularity...etc etc... comeup with something new bud. If you take negative figures to show popularity,I will show you some positive figures both the MJ's, Madonna, PC etc etc...
  They also grew up with people's support only.
  
  Also Thanee --- what is your point..in this.
  I understood that is ...ARR is going great guns.....which is a KNOWN fact., he is the greatest.
  
  
• From: Swami (@ cacher-ext.wise.edt.ericsson.se) on: Mon Mar 15 10:40:58 EST 1999
  
  Kuzhapam Madonna, MJ.....ivanga ARR'a sources, vendam avangala vittu vechrunrunga. Illena ARR will become great guns without bullets !!
  
  
  
• From: Mr.Kuzapam (@ 206.139.13.152) on: Mon Mar 15 10:54:00 EST 1999
  
  Swami : Very funny ---- Hee heee --- pulambal2
  
  
• From: Swami. (@ cacher-ext.wise.edt.ericsson.se) on: Mon Mar 15 11:30:28 EST 1999
  
  Aiyoo pavam.....I pity your kumaral confused Kuzhapam.
  
  
• From: vel (@ 129.107.27.3) on: Tue Mar 16 14:16:33 EST 1999
  
  Swami:
  Why are you wasting your time in making
  'Kuzhapam" more "Kuzhapam."
  Thanks,
  Vel
  
  
• From: suren (@ proxy.mcmail.com) on: Tue Mar 16 19:53:40 EST 1999
  
  I thought the song "chakravagamo" was similar to ARR`s earlier one "nan kattum selai" from ellorum innattu mannar???
  
  
• From: chandy (@ 209.125.83.228) on: Wed Mar 17 10:24:09 EST 1999
  
  
  It has been noted that ARR has atleast one song in most of his albums which is based on classical music. ARR's "Yen veetu thotathil poovellam kettu paar" in Gentleman is a take off from a popular thirupugazh song "naada vindu kaladhee namo nama!". Both are tuned to Senjuruti ragam, but the tunes of the first four lines are exactly the same! Is this a "lift" or an "inspiration" ??
  
  chandy
  
  
  
• From: eden (@ 202.54.71.132) on: Thu Mar 18 00:05:00 EST 1999
  
  I'm a zero as for knowledge on carnatic unlike many of you guys. However, my ear finds some resemblence of `Sundari neeyum' with `enn veetuththotaathil'. May be based on same raga or is it inspiration?
  
  
• From: Shankar (@ webgate0.mot.com) on: Thu Mar 18 00:42:44 EST 1999
  
  chandy,
  IMO, inspiration is , when u listen to this song , u just get reminded of the one from which the MD got inspired. U won't have a one-to-one assoc with the original.In the case of copy , u'll be able to pin point where each lines fall and u can map them. U decide now :-)))
  
  
• From: Neels (@ 202.54.125.244) on: Thu Mar 18 04:14:45 EST 1999
  
  Chandy!
  
  Thiruppugazh is a pure Tamil devotional work.
  Are you sure the Nada Vindu composition is from Thiruppugazh?
  
  Neels
  
  
• From: Neels (@ 202.54.125.244) on: Thu Mar 18 04:17:09 EST 1999
  
  Chandy!
  
  Thiruppugazh is a pure Tamil devotional work.
  Are you sure the Nada Vindu composition is from Thiruppugazh?
  
  You are right. In 'En Veettu Thottathil', the Pallavi is a lift from the above number. The rest of the song is different.
  
  Neels
  
  
• From: Edmon (@ gx16.lib.unf.edu) on: Thu Mar 18 10:32:13 EST 1999
  
  When is AR's Taj mahal supposed to be released?
  
  
• From: chandy (@ 209.125.83.228) on: Thu Mar 18 11:22:34 EST 1999
  
  Neels, Thirupugazh is a set of devotional songs by Arunagirinadhar... tunes of many of these songs were composed in his period.. "Nada Vindu kalaadhe namo nama" is one such song. (Neels, I'm delighted to find you in this forum :) )
  
  Shankar, The case I'm referring to is no inspiration.. its an exact replica. The song - nada vindu is set to paras of 4-lines each and the tune of each para is same. There is no pallavi, anupallavi kind of structure. The tune of Yen veetu thotathil (the first 4 lines) is an EXACT REPLICA" of "Nada vindu" song.. Its not that both these songs are based on similar raga and hence sound similar. In this case, it is not an inspiration, but a direct lift!!
  
  Eden, the ragas of both the songs "yen veetu thotathil", and "sundari neeyum" are different. There is a slight similarity in the way they both begin.
  
  chandy
  
  
• From: Raj (@ master.hyd.deshaw.com) on: Thu Mar 18 13:27:00 EST 1999
  
  "I understood that is ...ARR is going great guns....."
  Kuzhapam anney or akka or thambi or thangachi:
  I whole-heartedly agree...he is certainly "suttu"fying a lot.Now, isnt that what you mean by going "great guns" ?...:)
  
  
  
• From: Mr.Kuzapam (@ 206.139.13.152) on: Thu Mar 18 14:24:36 EST 1999
  
  Raj anne,
  Naba perisum (aathan pa unga thalivar IR sir) Suttuirkar,
  perisa sudom podhu sirisa en titaringa.
  avar copy adicha insirationu soluranga...so na ena solaverana...
  
  Swami:Kuzapam -- why are you confusing, what do know about music.
  Vel : why bother about kuzapam, kuzpam means kuzapam.
  
  

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