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Is ARR Running out of Stuff?

Topic started by Ramesh Vaidhyanathan (@ gengw.gensym.com) on Fri Mar 13 15:14:51 EST 1998.
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I listened to VandeMatharam in which ARR recycled his own tunes from Kizhakku Ceemayile and a touch of a song from Indira.
Also ARR's recent movies for big time producers like Ratchagan and Iruvar (except one song) and Dhoud in Hindi did not have any notable music. Remember ARRs last hit Minsarak Kanavu music was done long time ago.

If for a major album for Sony released on 50th year of Indian Independence, ARR cannot produce original music, then I have to come to the conclusion that he is running out of stuff. I heard that ARR is planning to cut down on movies and concentrate more on albums. Thus he will have to produce less and earn more.

Right now I do not see any difference in the quality of music produced by ARR and Karthik Raja. In fact I think Deva is doing a better job of providing consistant good quality music.

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• From: Murali Sankar (@ 129.252.22.112) on: Fri Mar 12 18:23:17 EST 1999
  
  Yennappa, ellarum enna conclusionukku vandhuttel ? Indha discussionukku moolam yaaru theriyumonno ?(naanthan..naanethaan..:-)))) Ennai marandhuttele ?. I am really excited to see all the posts. It was wonderfully enjoyable. hmm... Ram thaan slightaa moodai out paNNIttaar. Paravayillai :-))
  
  Keep going guys.
  
  
• From: Ram (@ ott-on5-46.netcom.ca) on: Fri Mar 12 19:00:16 EST 1999
  
  To Mr.Srinath
  
  >"I appreciate the sleuthing that you have done looking for my head and finding it in a particular place (how did it strike you to look there ?!!!)"
  
  I didn't actually look for it there, but I used my ears to listen to your voice, and being an ARR fan I could judge where it came from.
  
  Mr. Swami, I am still here, but thanks for your concern. Now you can continue with your prayer and think about the construction of the temple for IR.
  
  To Raj:
  
  >"Oru kattile aayiram (rah)maangal irukkalaam. Aanaal, oru singam thaan kaattukke Raja. TFM-ai porutha varayil Raja thaan antha singam:)"
  
  The kaattu singam needs to see a dentist and think about getting new a set of teeth, because one particular (rah)mann is giving the singam a severe beating.
  
  I don't know why people are concerned about who would create better music if they didn't have a keyboard. Keyboard is a tool, and tools don't have a mind of their own, so whoever uses all the best resources to create good music should be given credit. I would rather listen to ARR's music with a keyboard than IR's music (with or without a keyboard). Maybe IR can create better music without any tools, but I don't care, I only care about the final product.
  
  
  
• From: Srinath (@ spider-tn073.proxy.aol.com) on: Fri Mar 12 20:36:18 EST 1999
  
  Ram:
  So that's where ARR's fans find all their favourite music ? In my posterior ?!!! Ram, for heaven's sakes, can't you see when you are beaten ? I mean how hard do you have to try to make a stupid fool of yourself ? If that has been your sole intent, let me reassure you that you have made an incredible moron out of yourself. Hallelujah ! You have succeeded in your attempt to become the world's silliest (and "snubbdest" person) ! now crawl back into your hole and stay there for all time to come !
  
  For the benefit of other DFers, the uncharacteristic use of an 'expletive' here is intended as a reference point to Ram who seems to have an issue with the thing. Please refer to the older responses to see where and how exactly Ram started showing off his imbecility.
  
  
• From: Senthil (@ 204.164.207.66) on: Fri Mar 12 20:39:28 EST 1999
  
  Is ARR is running out of his stuff. yes! he is. He himself said he had stopped experimenting and want to set a trend. Well he has suceeded in that sense. I feel his thirsty for good music is declining. Previously he used redo the music till he gets satisfied. Now he composes music till the Director or producer get statisfied. The attitude IR reached atfer 16 or 17 years. For a Director or Producer, whatever that comes out of ARR is muqabula or Humma humma.. Most of them know nothing about music.
  
  Eighty percent of them director are not sure what they want. That makes ARR more vunerable. coz IR gets inspired by the situation or he himself makes the situation more enjoyeable by giving some tips to directors. Thatz why IR's re-recording is fanatatic. He grasp the situation and adds more flavour to it. But ARR likes to spend more time analyzing the song and improvise it gradually. A good director's inspires any musician. ARR himself told that If bharthiraja has not given right direction, the song Porayle Ponnuthaiye.. would never been such a wonderful song.
  
  In Bollywood ARR is gettting blamed for giving good music only to maniratnam. In bollywood they sell tunes. But in TFM they sell situations.If no good situation, ARR is out in couple of years. But I knaw practically its not going to happen. Just law of averages is enough for ARR to give a hit.
  
  Just take the sensational song of the decade
  muqala muqubula
  
  Situation: Nagma battles with her father and release her lover from getting killed. They want to celebrate it. But how. Shankar thought, Let me
  take the same situation to cowboy's land. So you see the fanatastic song and product.
  
  Prabhu deva is about to be Killed( By hanging). Nagma comes in a horse(cowboy) and releases him by shooting the rope. They fooled the everybody.
  That why valli called Nagma "villiangalay villthum vennilla". The typical cowboy stuff with ClintEastwood flavour.
  
  Even in the song picturisation you will see that Prabhu deva and nagma fooling everybody with hat, animation and whatnot?
  
  What a nice commercial imagination from shankar.
  ARR balanced the Situation with very a good number, teh rest is history.
  
  Now, I know you asking "Hell the situation! whatz the point".
  
  The point is ARR himself cannot make music. His 'own' stuff seems to have gone. If the situation demands ARR will continue to give music for another 10 years. Same holds good for IR, He has to team-up with good director to get on to top.
  
  He can't give Excellent number for Hero running after heroine for n'th time. Same with ARR
  
  Think of the experimentation in rasathi En usuru.. from Theif thief(whole album is expermentation). You know what the critic was for TT. It was not for indian audience, it was very much westernized. But right now, ARR is boring and repetative (except few).
  
  IR fever catching ARR.
  
  habba habba
  Senthil
  
  
  
  
  
• From: SM (@ nat01smurugap.sgum.mci.com) on: Fri Mar 12 20:44:58 EST 1999
  
  Guys,
  
  Cool down, please (This is just a request).
  
  Srinath,
  
  > So that's where ARR's fans find all
  > their favourite music ? In my posterior
  
  Appadiyae, nicea, ella ARR fanS appadinnu generalize pannitteenga paartheengaLaa?:-))
  
  
• From: Srinath (@ spider-tn073.proxy.aol.com) on: Fri Mar 12 20:54:47 EST 1999
  
  SM:
  Romba sorry :-) Aana mulla, mulla-la thaan edukkannum. Kuppaiya veliya kottanumna kai asingamaagama irukkuma ? Genaralize pannadhu naana, Ram-a ? Avar ARR fans ellorayum avaruda serthu maanathavaangum bodhu ungalukku protest panna thonaliya ? :-)
  
  
• From: SM (@ nat01smurugap.sgum.mci.com) on: Fri Mar 12 21:35:16 EST 1999
  
  Hey Srinath,
  
  I understand. Don't mistake me. Didn't you notice the smiley in my posting? I think Ram is a newcomer and so avar unarchigaLa opena kottiduraarnu thonudhu. As a seasoned DFer, I thought you will ignore it and keep going. But, at the same time, I can understand that you were hurt by some of his statements. Anyway, let's forget it.
  
  
• From: Srinath (@ spider-tq014.proxy.aol.com) on: Fri Mar 12 21:53:55 EST 1999
  
  SM:
  The day non-entities like Ram bother me, I will stop posting in this forum ! :-)))
  
  
• From: senthil (@ 1cust47.tnt1.white-plains.ny.da.uu.net) on: Fri Mar 12 22:23:26 EST 1999
  
  Srinath I understand your feelings.Take it in stride. I just wonder what an musician feelings will be, when he is wildly criticized by the media or by fans like us( maybe thru this forum).
  
  
• From: Ram (@ ott-on1-45.netcom.ca) on: Sat Mar 13 12:54:18 EST 1999
  
  
  
  
  To Srinath,
  
  Yes I admit I have been beaten, as you so humbly put it. I guess I am out of my league. I didn't know that I was dealing with a person who is an expert with the 'expletive'.
  
  Maybe I should crawl into a hole and stay away from the forum....NAAAAH! I think I will stick around.
  
  Don't forget one thing Mr.Srinath, it's you who started attacking me personally (moron, stupid fool), so don't go around blaming me for your behaviour.
  
  
  To Mr. Sentil, to who is ARR repettive and boring? To IR fans? Why should ARR make music to cater to IR fans tastes? Why should he abandon his huge fan following to a demograhic that is already satisfied with the abundance of 'quality' music? The people (or adolescent kids as you ppl like to refer to as) who are infatuated with his music really look forward to everyone one of his releases, and enjoy it in their own way. A true music lover is someone who enjoys music without putting any boudaries on it (like using no keyboard).
  
  
• From: Srinath (@ spider-to081.proxy.aol.com) on: Sat Mar 13 17:33:59 EST 1999
  
  Ram:
  I appreciate your guts in staying back to argue ! But I did not use a single expletive to start with - explicitly or otherwise - whereas you were the one who made a reference to a very derogatory term.
  
  "Foot in the mouth" is a phrase used to describe someone when that person claims something only to contradict himself in word or action soon thereafter. Other comparable phrases are "made to eat your own words", "practise what you preach", etc. I was being descriptive about the phrase, that's all !
  
  Where does all this apply to you ? When you claimed that IR fans are being unfair in assuming that ARR fans think in a particular way and immediately proceeded to give a sermon on the mindset of the IR fan, you put your foot in the mouth ! Get it ?
  
  OTOH, you started off with a vile remark on where my head was. All my rebuttals were nowhere as cheap in taste as yours, but were obviously more telling. That is my expertise.
  
  I'd never blame anyone for my behaviour, least of all you - the reason being that there is nothing in my behaviour to be ashamed of !
  
  
• From: Thanee (@ 1cust58.tnt9.chi5.da.uu.net) on: Sun Mar 14 10:53:25 EST 1999
  
  So Srinath :What do you want to say....
  What Ram says is right, we care about the final product - there was a company called std. motors who use to make best engine in the country, but it is nowhere in the race today, people go for maruthi, you may blame the taste of the people which is totally incorrect, maruthi give better alround perfomace, gazhel (from std motors) had only good engine all the other around it are very normal. Similar happened to IR,
  
  As Ram told we care only about the final product, if the final product is composed with real instruments or keyboards we do not care - if it failes to impress a majority of the population -- it is a failure.
  
  IR did not do anything great for the past 2 - 4 years, do not give a guru etc samples, the point is, it failed to impress a majority, there it ends. All most 90%-95% of ARR songs were top of the chart in more than 1 language. A majority will not accept a crap, remember this the same majority which accepted IR work in 80's.
  ARR is going great guns...just claiming IR is the greatest even today will not work out.
  
  

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