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Yesterday - Illayarajah Today - A.R. Rahman Tomorrow - Yuvan Shankar Raja

Topic started by Pras (@ 66.185.84.71) on Sat Jan 25 08:43:29 EST 2003.
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Who Do You Think Is The Yesterday, Today, Tomorrow MD of TFM?

I think its:
Yesterday - Illayarajah
Today - A.R. Rahman
Tomorrow - Yuvan Shankar Raja

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Responses:

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• From: V (@ 129.44.213.217) on: Fri Jun 27 19:38:10 EDT 2003
  
  xml your post is so ridiculous.
  
  ARR has worked really really hard on his songs. Unfortunately of late all these other MDs have learnt to compose like his style and so his music goes unnoticed with over -exposure to ARR style
  
  Ilaiyaraaja has stuck to his style and delivered good music till date. There is no question over his abilities. Tha man has come out with great tunes even post ARR.
  
  Why do you waste your energy trivialising the greatness of ARR, when it is a proven fact that both IR and ARR are great composers in their own right??
  
  This fanatical IR bhakti is so insane!!!!!!
  
  
• From: xml (@ 128.148.68.57) on: Fri Jun 27 20:35:03 EDT 2003
  
  V
  ARR made mega hit from roja to alaipayuthe.
  Also in hindi rangeela,taal,lagaan.Those are excellent.I never against those albums and expect same quality again.Not like PP,Alli Arjuna,parasuram.
  
  Why he compose many years for a flop album?.
  
  Whatever let it be, the TF industry was healthy when IR ruled.It crossed above the number of hindi movies.You can say the reason satellite channel,video piracy etc..
  Then how other MD's HJ,VS,YSR,makes hit among these circumstances even they follows ARR's trend.
  
  
• From: MADDY (@ 203.94.217.129) on: Fri Jun 27 23:47:56 EDT 2003
  
  HELLO V,
  TIMES is an Mumbai paper, so praising a Tamilian in that is much more prestigious than being praised by our own newspapers.... Hindu is a chennai-based paper, y dunt u understand ARR is spreading Tamil's fame across oceans and lands, well i think i have to say Tamilians have very poor Regional spirit.
  
  
• From: Sam (@ 217.44.93.214) on: Sat Jun 28 01:37:41 EDT 2003
  
  Maddy you just gave a good explaination to what you are. You too have poor regional spirit. You don't have to sense to give credit to ARR as well as IR. Nobody can deny the greatness IR is in TFM. PLease don't think ARR can ever reach what Ir did.
  
  
• From: MADDY (@ 203.94.218.43) on: Sat Jun 28 03:27:37 EDT 2003
  
  hey sam
  read my previous responses and i've said IR is a great man.. but u guys are hell-bent on putting ARR down.. can IR fans accept that wat IR achieved ARR cannot and wat ARR achieved IR cannot. then that becomes a balanced arguement.. but u guys will say "no no IR can achieve evrything and ARR can achieve nuthin" it is ridiculous..
  
  
• From: rajasaranam (@ 210.214.128.194) on: Sat Jun 28 07:49:39 EDT 2003
  
  hi to all,
  regarding the issue of identity. in a previous comment ive said that the name AR rahman doesnt giv any regional identity to him hence he was accepted readily by the north if he had been dilip[ which was his previous name] or a kandasamy i doubt whether he wud be given so much hype by the norths. all the southeners hav failed in north bcos of this identity issue only.
  more over he had never made tamils proud by taking tamil cultural music to the north or world. he had jus imported western sounds to india and tamil nadu.so we hav got nothing to be proud of ARR that he is a tamilian or indian.
  in this case IR is more true to the music of his land and culture.
  
  
• From: rajasaranam (@ 210.214.131.137) on: Sat Jun 28 13:22:23 EDT 2003
  
  NOW JUDGE THIS FOR YOURSELF [ this was taken frm rahmanonline.com]
  Mani Ratnam gives his comments on the music directors he has worked with - Illayaraja and Rahman. (Film fare-Oct 96)
  "I have worked with two music directors - Ilaiyaraja and A R Rahman. They're perfect opposites in the way they work.
  
  Illaiyaraja is absolutely prolific. He is an amazing talent who believes that the music written down by him should be stuck to totally. And then it is recorded which is just a matter of execution.
  
  Rahman does the opposite. He has the music in his mind, and uses every musician as an artiste, probably because he has been an instrumentalist himself. he tries to extract something extra from every one of his musicians as well as his playback singers. He believes in their addition input.
  
  Rahman improvises while Illaiyaraja has every little detail chalked out. Like Rahman I try to improvise while leaving others free to make their additional contribution...though I wish I could be like Ilaiyaraja and work out everything on paper."
  
  
• From: V (@ 129.44.213.217) on: Sat Jun 28 13:50:03 EDT 2003
  
  MADDY,
  
  Just because Hindu is a South newspaper how does it imply that the well-written analysis of IR carries less weight???
  
  
  Anyway I read the mumbai newpaper article and I thought that the language in Hindu was far more mature and poignant than the mumbai newspapers who dont care when they misspell Mani Ratnam as Mani Rathnam
  
  Leave alone the number of different creative spellings they came out with when referring to Alaipayuthey in Saathiya's reviews!!!
  
  
• From: sena (@ 128.148.68.110) on: Sat Jun 28 20:55:17 EDT 2003
  
  Hi folks,
  There is nothing wrong if ARR failed to give tamil cultural music to the north or world.Because it is also important what they like.That is what ARR did. We should be proud of ARR's hit with the world.
  
  In the beginning of TFM MSV,KVM ruled. Then IR came with own village tunes and ruled TFM with western,classical,carnatic and all.Nothing he left. IR made such a critical situation for the next upcoming MD's no option other than copying from western.So it happened next to ARR to copying western with TFM and made new trend.
  
  ARR made very good albums with more westernised and travelled the north and out of INDIA.
  By the way he travelled and went out of TFM. But we should also have sense to think about our TFM.Because we are entertained mostly our TF industry. Not with lagaan,TAAL, BD etc..Right.
  
  It is our responsibility to wish and encourage our ARR while performing in the north and rest of the world.At the same time is meaningless praising recent worst albums just because of ARR's PP, parasuram, kadalvirus,boys..
  
  
  It is also our responsibility to look at our house to make best.I mean listerning to the best albums immature of the MD's.
  
  In the present TFM HJ, YSR, VS, MANISHARMA doing better than ARR. We should encourage who is doing well in TFM at present. Because our entertainment is mostly concern with Tamil films and TFM.
  
  
• From: MADDY (@ 203.94.233.100) on: Sun Jun 29 01:29:28 EDT 2003
  
  What is this rajasaranam i thought u were a very sensible IR-fan but u proved me wrong.. naam se kya hota hain? then according to ur arguement, MANSOOR-ALI-KHAN shuld have become the best villain in Hindi.... ( btw i love Mansoor , so his fans dunt get angry)
  
  
• From: MADDY (@ 203.94.233.100) on: Sun Jun 29 01:33:20 EDT 2003
  
  for u MR.V i never said that IR's article has less weight, i meant to say that inter-regional recognition is precious... u all know it better, it is tough to get good things told abt a southie from a Mumbaiite...ARR and Kamal hassan are the only persons to break the Bombay-Barrier.....
  ( I accept mumbaiites have big time problem in spelling Tamil names...)
  
  
• From: V (@ 141.149.215.206) on: Sun Jun 29 01:53:16 EDT 2003
  
  Maddy,
  
  Again I accept that it is tough to get recognition in north and ARR has done it.
  
  However that does not make IR's greatness any less because he has proved his brilliance in TFM alone! So what What I am saying is that it is a proven fact that IR and ARR are great IN THEIR OWN RIGHTS.
  
  This means IR is great in one way and ARR is great in other ways (which you have pointed out as being accepted beyond tfm). It is only immature and stupid to compare their greatness and say ARR did XYZ and IR did not do it!
  
  and to end the post, I will have to disagree with the statement that ARR has spread Tamil fame in north!
  
  He was able to be successful only because he gave them the style of music they listen to in the north and he did not package our tamil music to them in a new wrapper and that they became so broad-minded to appreciate a madrasi
  
  So you shud have simply said ARR is famous in the north for giving them the right kind of music.
  
  
• From: V (@ 141.149.215.206) on: Sun Jun 29 01:55:18 EDT 2003
  
  To add to my post:
  
  Like Kamal Hassan said, It is not important for Indian movies to get Oscar for us to be considered good.
  
  like wise, It is not important for a Tamil MD to get popularity/acceptance in north(what u called bonbay barrier) for him to be considered great. In fact that will be the least necessary condition for me. Who cares! This is TFM
  
  
• From: MADDY (@ 203.94.234.76) on: Sun Jun 29 02:27:09 EDT 2003
  
  Great post guys,
  as i always say IR and ARR are incomparable stalwarts... who told ARR did not give Tamil touch in hindi movies? Taal had a song "nahin samne" which was a proper southie tune, Rangeela's "yaaro sunlo sara" had punnanivaraha raaga... (hope i got the name rite)... well i'm happy that arguement has entered a decent and balanced phase.....btw have u listened to Boyz?? it is too goood....
  
  
• From: SHAM (@ 216.127.82.98) on: Sun Jun 29 09:13:45 EDT 2003
  
  MADDY,
  I THINK YOU BETTER FUK OFF FROM HERE. YOU ARE ANNOYING EVERYONE WITH YOUR 'HUMBLENESS'. OK, I'M BEING TOO NICE. YOU ARE FUKING IRRITATING EVERYONE WITH YOUR SHALLOW KNOWLEDGE!!!!!
  
  
• From: rajasaranam (@ 210.214.132.150) on: Sun Jun 29 10:20:41 EDT 2003
  
  hi maddy,
  sorry that i didnt make u understand wat i meant to say.earlier during our discussions i had given u the historical account of how ARR was able to conquer the north.I agree i made a mistake to say only his name as the cause of his success but i didnt mean it.i wanted to add that his name was an additional factor to other factors which i had said in earlier posts.pls go thro my earlier posts. if needed ill try to giv an overall account of why ARR is successful.
  
  
• From: sena (@ 128.148.68.110) on: Sun Jun 29 12:55:23 EDT 2003
  
  Hi muddy
  Tell me taal song 'nahi samne' which south indian tune.
  GO and see the TITANIC movie you can see the nahin samne. Yah. ARR copied from TITANIC BGM.
  
  
• From: V (@ 141.149.215.206) on: Sun Jun 29 14:27:09 EDT 2003
  
  ok bad-mouthers, stop this bullsshit again. Maddy I agree with your posts mostly. I think we seem to agree on most things 1. IR and ARR are great! 2. ARR has bean very good in North 3. IR has achieved miles in TFM alone! What I am saying is that ARR's Uzhavan and Kizhakku Cheemayile dd not make big roars in north. WHy even that? Alaipayuthey was unnoticed until he converted it ti a Saathiya right?? So the northies are still the narrow-minded biased lot but still ARR has been intelligent enough to percieve that he cant sell to them unless he creates the nuances of north music in his songs too. He did it and kudos to him. I think IR's greatness has been overlooked by many because most of us are brought up in cities where we believe hardcore that "dandanakka" is so cheap and uncouth. However it is honey to the ears of some laboreres in rural places. By saying that their music is so bad is just like trvialising their mere existence!! Very simply put, Will u go and read a book that has A for apple B for Bat with pictures?? A 1 year old will enjoy it!!! Can you call it Cheesy??? NO!!! Jyst because you dont like it does not mean that thing is not good. SO let us not judge things by popularity or by how far across the globe it reaches. Let us judge them by how truthful and heartening it has been a treat to the listeners. PS: I am city bred too and until 3 years back I had the attitude that gaana and dfappanguthu are so uncivilised arts and I hated these tunes. Now that I have learnt so much in life I have come to appreciate folk and dandanaka songs because atleast someone else likes it and there has to be some power in it. I have not heard BOYS yet. Good to see ARR getting sound reviews. However I am not a big fan of rock music and I like melodies more. That does not mean that BOYS is bad. is it?? and most importantly if any fan posts some intolerant expletives on ARR or IR the men who have common sense whould completely ignore it.
  
  

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