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Yesterday - Illayarajah Today - A.R. Rahman Tomorrow - Yuvan Shankar Raja

Topic started by Pras (@ 66.185.84.71) on Sat Jan 25 08:43:29 EST 2003.
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Who Do You Think Is The Yesterday, Today, Tomorrow MD of TFM?

I think its:
Yesterday - Illayarajah
Today - A.R. Rahman
Tomorrow - Yuvan Shankar Raja

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Responses:

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• From: MusicIsLife (@ 170.146.91.6) on: Thu Jun 26 17:07:24 EDT 2003
  
  i have been reading through the forum, the same things said back and forth, the thread is predominantly bashing, but sometimes, it is interesting to see the way the comparison is. Said that, I still remember IR doing music for more than 9 films for one Diwali and all the movie songs/background music were gr8, I have not seen that happen with any music director!! To get a distinction irrespective of the outcome of the movie is something, which atleast will not happen in recent times...
  Everybody is distinctive in their respect. People accuse of copying, though they(the music directors) dont have a moral obligation to themselves, or creativity, that needs a lot of guts to stay copying and bear the bashings
  
  If nobody gets the PUN then life is boring.. Let us keep smiling and enjoy the music that gets close to the heart and the forevers will be the songs that were liked the first time and heard more times. So Music directors have a time slot of creating the best, Some become classics, some just passing stuff. IR being one gr8 just did that, created more timeless music and left himself in the awe of many. ARR did for the next generation (90's)
  I have not heard YSR... I thought KR would do good, but still it is hard to believe such a good musician is not having the chance..
  
  So there is no Yesterday, tomorrow or today for good music... though it is sorry to put a time-slot for musicians.
  
  
• From: xml (@ 128.148.68.57) on: Thu Jun 26 17:36:30 EDT 2003
  
  ARR made his album successful in tamil from roja alaipayuthe and in hindi lagaan.
  
  It is true ARR got many awards than IR.But TF industry and TFM sucks too after ARR entry.ARR will compose many years for just flop movie even recently boys.
  
  One reason we can say in the ARR's time sattelite channels are more so the industry went down.
  This is the reason ARR is more popular.
  In IR time if these channels be there IR would have been more popular in the world due to communication with the world.
  
  In IR time people were not aware of other language movies and music. The same will apply for others too. IR left the gap that ARR filled.In that way I appreciate ARR.He was the one and only one could do that.
  
  But all his present albums sucks too.
  
  
• From: MADDY (@ 203.94.218.49) on: Thu Jun 26 23:55:32 EDT 2003
  
  U guys are champs in "nondi-saaku", U know something NSK's gramophones set some record in 1950's when there was no media-boom and nuthin.. so dunt give non-existent reasons.. anyway u guys seem to be sensible guys and not like the typical anti-arr IR "verians". hey i'm proud of IR but ARR is also "namma veetu pillai" who is trying something different so we have to understand his efforts......
  
  
• From: MADDY (@ 203.94.218.49) on: Fri Jun 27 00:00:13 EDT 2003
  
  by the way, Boyz is a mind-blowing album, if u dunt understand that type of music pls dunt criticise it. ARR has bettered sounds created by N-Sync and other boybands in Boyz album....
  
  
• From: MADDY (@ 203.94.218.49) on: Fri Jun 27 00:03:47 EDT 2003
  
  OK if IR is so good even today, then he can walk into world music now isn't it? see IR is for Tamil masses that's it. he is a champ in that, no doubts.... so satellite channels or communication links ARR can rule the west...
  
  
• From: N Teja (@ 131.170.6.142) on: Fri Jun 27 01:07:06 EDT 2003
  
  Hi guys,
  
  Just listen to the end of the song "break the rules" in boys, then you will know who really "Rulez" the TFM.
  
  Now that ARR has brought this new style, you can be pretty sure that within the next 6 months or so you will be seeing a lot of the new MDs trying to imitate him (once again)....
  
  as the cliche goes...
  
  and the history repeats...
  
  
  N Teja
  
  
• From: rajasaranam (@ 210.214.132.79) on: Fri Jun 27 06:02:49 EDT 2003
  
  HI GUYS,
  Now that ARR has brought new style.....
  ROJA was new style introduced in 1992.. it was realesed on aug15th it did rule TFM for some time
  THEVAR MAGAN was realesed on deepavali 1992...
  Everybody knows that inji idupazhagi overtook chinna chinna aasai that year[ if ur doubt ful try getting into the archives of vivadhbharathi's cibaca top 10 songs of the year for 1992 which took public voting into account and Inji idu.. was the placed at no.1 and chinna chinna was placed at no.2]
  BOYZ is scheduled to be realesed somewhere in august
  SANDIYAR [ the name may be changed ] is scheduled to be realesed for deepavali.
  [ earlier BOYZ was scheduled for deepavali too may be the BOYS are afraid of SANDIYAR]
  so kool guys this year too IR will overtake ARR
  as the cliche goes......
  history repeats .......
  
  
  
• From: Ilayaraja (@ 137.73.8.176) on: Fri Jun 27 08:00:53 EDT 2003
  
  hey fuc@ker rajasaranam, u desperation clearly shows how scared ur ballz are!!!go and jump into the river and cool it down u ass@hole!!u silly moron dont ever come back..u fuc#ked up listeners, try to grow up..dont show ur foolishness in a forum..learn to listen to the music given by our GOD ARR..
  
  
• From: rajasaranam (@ 210.214.132.103) on: Fri Jun 27 08:37:43 EDT 2003
  
  thx for abusing me on my victory over u.
  
  
• From: coolit (@ 216.127.82.98) on: Fri Jun 27 08:42:41 EDT 2003
  
  hey matha fuka (@ 137.73.8.176),
  
  ur desperation even shows more:)
  
  coolitbabei!
  
  
• From: rajasaranam (@ 210.214.132.103) on: Fri Jun 27 08:46:36 EDT 2003
  
  thx once again
  
  
• From: rajasaranam (@ 210.214.132.103) on: Fri Jun 27 08:53:45 EDT 2003
  
  sorry coolit i didnt notice u were a pal COOLIT
  
  
• From: Ranj (@ 217.44.92.48) on: Fri Jun 27 09:07:30 EDT 2003
  
  This whole thread has gone off in a completely different direction than what is should be. The simple fact is that IR is a great in Music, he can never be reached by any other md. ARR too has reached his own heights in his own way which i feel other md's won't be able to match. Likewise I feel that YSR is the only md out of the current batch who has the potential to reach heights that no other md has reached.
  
  
• From: rajasaranam (@ 210.214.132.2) on: Fri Jun 27 12:14:44 EDT 2003
  
  hi ranj,
  jus bcos YSR is the son of IR we cant give him the credit that he is going to reach the heights like IR or ARR.he has never created a sensation as the former two.IR with annakili and ARR with roja became a sensation overnight. as of now YSR is just another performing MD. he is nowhere near them.if we r speaking abt sensible music KR is performing better than YSR who is carrying forward the style of IR to the nxt generation.
  
  
• From: MADDY (@ 203.94.233.196) on: Fri Jun 27 14:28:45 EDT 2003
  
  for all u guys who think ARR is just a junk, here it comes in TIMES OF INDIA EDITORIAL,MUMBAI. an Excerpt from the article"
  A R Rahman has rewritten film melody with his post-modern tunes, to give the Indian viewer films like Roja, Bombay..."
  Now tell me guys, TIMES is such an esteemed newspaper, will they put up a editorial on a man who has no talent or who survives on commercially avialable softwares...it was not just an article it was an center-page editorial... come on guys, u shuld understand he is a hot commodity....
  
  
• From: V (@ 147.129.99.181) on: Fri Jun 27 15:22:02 EDT 2003
  
  MADDY, here is something from the prestigious newspaper - The Hindu:
  
  
  No other artiste's career symbolises the popularity and hold of film music, as does Ilayaraja's. He has been at work in Tamil cinema for 25 years and has composed music for more than 800 films in five languages. For the Tamil diaspora, Ilayaraja has emerged as a cultural force.
  
  Ilayaraja came on the scene 45 years after film music had first appeared. When he entered Tamil films in the mid 1970s, there was stagnation, in film music and in the type of films that were being made. Ilayaraja's innovative creations came as a whiff of fresh air. The song that made him famous in his debut film "Annakili" (1976) "Annakili Unnai Theduthu" (Annam is looking out for you) was authentically folk and soon was playing throughout Tamil Nadu. The film "Kavikuyil" (1977) stabilised his position in the film world.
  
  There are three elements of Ilayaraja's music, the first is the folk music of the Tamils, such as the work songs and march songs. The second is Carnatic music and the third European classical music. Folk music has been used earlier, but quite functionally through classical music idiom. Ilayaraja brought it in with its soul, with its earthy, rooty characteristics. He used authentic instruments like tharai and thappattai (drums). In many films he has demonstrated his skill over Carnatic music, handling some difficult ragas. In 1989 when the Classical Musicians Forum honoured him, Ilayaraja pointed out that classical musicians were not being innovative and were parroting the same ragas and songs. He went on to point out that film musicians, just to survive, have to be creative.
  
  When he came to Madras in search of fortune, he learnt Western music and quickly became familiar with Western Classical. In fact when Ilayaraja went for his first audition in 1968, the piece that he played on his harmonium was Laura's theme from the film "Dr. Zhivago." Much later, in 1989 after dominating the film music scene for a decade, he brought out his first independent album "How To Name It" in which he established his mastery in fusion music. One critic (C.S.G. Prasad) has suggested four factors as the basis of Ilayaraja's success as a music director: his fidelity to the form he chooses, whether it is folk or classical, his musical imagination that provides evocative background score, his sense of harmony which keeps each song under control as it were and lastly his brilliant orchestration.
  
  But most of all, Ilayaraja's understanding of the role of music in films is what set him apart. He realises that film music is not just music placed on the sound track of a film and that it should not be created as if it was a mere aural experience, isolated of the images of a film. It is applied music. It has to integrate with the narrative, not intrude upon it. It has to go with the images that appear on the screen and enhance the quality of cinema. It is part of a viewing experience. To achieve this, the music director should be familiar with the aesthetics of cinema, with its form and with its possibilities.
  
  In cinema, a good music composer is not necessarily a good music director. Ilayaraja's comprehension of cinema is evident in his background scores, which add a new dimension to it. He pays closer attention to this aspect as few have done before. He watches the film fully, grasps the basic thrust of the film and adds appropriate musical score in the soundtrack. Ilayaraja has shown that just as imaginative lighting could enhance the visuals and their cinematic quality, so can background music. This can be pointed out as his defining influence. One film in which this is evident is Balu Mahendra's "Veedu." The film had no song. He also composes music to suit the lead characters of a particular film. This is new to Tamil cinema,. He says that he tries to understand the character, her/ his inner feelings and then decides on the appropriate music and instruments that would go with the particular character.
  
  The director of the film "Bharathi" told me that when he showed him the film script and screened the rushes, Ilayaraja was quick to grasp that the liet motif of the film was the poet's famous lines "Having crafted a fine Veenai, would you fling it, so its timbre is ruined, in the dust"? In the last scene, this song has been placed as an off screen voice. At a poignant moment Ilayaraja joins in with his mellifluous voice to close the song and the film.
  
  
• From: xml (@ 128.148.68.57) on: Fri Jun 27 18:36:21 EDT 2003
  
  Hi
  
  ARR is a chemilean sticker.He sticked the western tunes with TFM and made new trend.Refer musio's post.
  He don't have any responsibility. He will stick wherever he gets money.He made TF industry down.
  
  Beyond TFM IR showed his interest on telugu and malayalam. He rejected offer in hindi. He was more dedicated to TFM and not interested in hindi films.So don't claim why IR is not popular with rest of the country.
  
  Tell me one thing why ARR sucks after alaipayuthey till BOYS.Nothing he found to copy?.
  
  

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