Topic started by Pras (@ 66.185.84.71) on Sat Jan 25 08:43:29 EST 2003.
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Who Do You Think Is The Yesterday, Today, Tomorrow MD of TFM?
I think its:
Yesterday - Illayarajah
Today - A.R. Rahman
Tomorrow - Yuvan Shankar Raja
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- From: MADDY (@ 203.94.233.206)
on: Thu Jun 26 07:38:32 EDT 2003
yaa dude IRshah, it is true ARR songs will stay only for a few hundred years only. well abt Mumabi v/s Tamilnadu music fans ,i'm not trying to create any divide but i could a see clear difference in their attitude towards ARR and westernisation of Indian sounds. Govinda is better than Rajkiran any day. hey cut all this off and sorry if i'm offending my "anbu tamil ullangal"
- From: MADDY (@ 203.94.233.206)
on: Thu Jun 26 07:44:09 EDT 2003
To subbiah, well hats off to IR for composing such a track. really i cud see IR's old touch in "appadi.." IR is Raw talent. Music runs through his blood. But ARR is a very knowledgable person in music, he has knowledge about almost all types of music. So we are priviliged to live in the ERA OF ALLAH-RAKKAH-RAHMAN and ILAYARAJA.
- From: Niv (@ 147.129.99.184)
on: Thu Jun 26 14:00:52 EDT 2003
Maddy I can only laugh at youyr statement that Govinda is better than Rajkiran...
Just because Rajkiran has rugged country looks does not mean he is stupid and dumb!!
Please go and see Pandavar Bhoomi. Especially for people like you who seem to be blinded by Mumbai's fake cosmetic culture!!!!
Rajkiran makes subjects that are truthful to rural hearts and does not rely on Bipashas and Amishas dancing 90 % naked next to him wearing gross peppermint colored clothes!!!
- From: Arjun Agarwal (@ 203.94.218.110)
on: Thu Jun 26 14:40:02 EDT 2003
u call Rajkiran a good actor , goodness me, u guys can only listen to "Dandanaka songs, rural films(panchayat scenes), underwear-showing moustached heroes, football-bellied heroines" u'll never know wat's class music,movies.. pity on IR fans......
- From: rajasaranam (@ 210.214.131.214)
on: Thu Jun 26 14:52:37 EDT 2003
hi again,
sorry for responding late
iam answering to maddy [ not getting into govinda rajkiran etc.,]
1.i agree that kadhalan had a record sales.
after arithmetics i hav to teach some history too.
sales of audio records were not a big industry till the 90s. 90s saw a boom in every industry cos of globalization. but even before that one audio company named ECHO survived only bcos of IR.when they had a misunderstanding with IR they had to get out of business. this shows how powerful IR is.moreover i was talking abt the 90% of the population who likies IRs music. our countrys economy shows that 50% of the population cant even afford one square meal a day.the other 40% cant afford to buy a record [ i doubt how many people do hav a player to play these records.they survive on radio only]
our world was suddenly divided into 2 worlds after 90s where some people started to get many things in life which were not affordable to common man.not only audio industry think abt other industries too
how many cars were they selling b4 90s?
how many branded jeans were sold b4 90s?
how many restaurants were there b4 90s?
it was a cultural shift in the whole of our country.
coming to my personal experience after a long 7 years when i went to my native village in deep south i cant hear even a single ARR track.during the thiruvizha they weree playing music frm films like rasu padayachi and nattupura pattu etc.,
i think this is the strength of IR - he was able to giv music for the people as a whole. the majority of our people identify themselves and their culture with IRs music. they know within their deep hearts that this is their music.IR not only satisfies the need for music of villagers but he can giv music for educated or upper class people too[ i know ull agree to this so no examples].
2. awards hav become a big question mark too????
b4 90s none of the south indians were given due respect for in the national awards. after 90s it was not the effort of ARR that people saw south with a diffence.I agian say this was too cos of globalization. people were able see cable tvs -more channels. and wat not the north south barrier was slowly breaking. ARR s entry was the right time for him to get attention.he didnt hav any distinct style other than westernized versions of indian music. his name Rahman itself doesnt giv him an identity that he is frm south-he may belong anywhere.and more - people wer jus beggining to listen MTV and channel V. hence ARR was instantly accepted by north indians. he became a sensation. but IRs case was not that? [ i know ull agree to this too]. yes he didnt get as many awards as ARR has got. do u know agathiyan was the first tamil director to get a national award for his film kadhaal kottai in 95/96 do u mean to say that balchander, bharathiraja, bagyaraja or the art film makers like magendran, balu mahendra etc., wer not worthy of awards??????
to finish off the case of awards even in those period when south was delibarately cut off frm main stream india IR managed to bag 3 national awards.
try to enlighten - either me or urself
- From: V (@ 147.129.99.184)
on: Thu Jun 26 15:38:06 EDT 2003
What is wrong with liking rural things??
I am city-bred, but I have come to love rural things. Honest people can nowadays only be found in rural places.
What the hell is wrong with Dandanakka music? it is the music of rural people so what??? Why cant u have a liberal mind?? What do you mean by class?? who are you to decide that what u like is class and something rural is not class.
Mani Ratnam or Cheran should make a movie about ignorant people who think everything city based and western is class. We should support the folk arts of the rural people. No matter where in the worlf we are we should never forget that our Indian heritage is engrained in folk music. Whatever u hear nowadsys in TFM, most of instruments are weatern. Only Ilaiyaraaja can use fully indian instruments. ARR does that in barathiraja albums.
So stop your bullsshit about moustached, lungi tied people. You are trivialising the culture of certain people who hold it dear. If you dont like it it does not mean it should be condemned.
Going by that logic, will you say yes if some capitalist westerner says all african tribes should be banished because they are not class.
please learn tolerance and atleast start tolerating things u dont like even if u cant appreciate.
- From: Venki (@ 192.127.94.7)
on: Thu Jun 26 15:43:18 EDT 2003
rajasaranam, good one. I'm wondering how people are going to bear BOYS songs. If this is what youthful music is I'd rather stick on to MTV and channel V.
- From: x (@ 209.47.143.226)
on: Thu Jun 26 15:50:06 EDT 2003
rajasaranam,
That was a nice writeup...
- From: V (@ 147.129.99.184)
on: Thu Jun 26 15:55:53 EDT 2003
rajasaranam, to sum up what you have said,
If someone tediously goes and takes census throughout Tamil Nadu on what kind of music they like the results will be as follows:
1. Raja will win by 70 % majority
2. ARR will be unbeatable in cities where popular culture is breeding.
3. The rural and interiors will be dominated by raja.
The census would reflect record sales because most of IR fans fall below the "cassette affordability" line and they rely on tea shop radios and bus-stand side radios to hear whatever IR music they want. Predominantly iot is ARR's music that is played in these places although I admit some Rahman tracks are played too.
But in tiruvizhas and stuff it is IR all the way.
SO cassette sales dont really inidicate the people strength on who likes what because there are 1000s of people who are not represented by casette sales becos they cant afford it. Most of these are poor villagers who would prefer songs from En rasavin manasile over something like kadal virus.
But as you can see the world is so blinded by figures, numbers and pomp. Whoever has money is considered best.
How can you convince people who think it is classy to not be rural and be western.
To me both ARR and IR are really great!!!
ARR for the cities/north indians IR for the rural/tamil folks. Both are good in my perspective but since the city people have more money and they are pompous ARR is more popular. What can yo do. Money matters always!!!!
- From: V (@ 147.129.99.184)
on: Thu Jun 26 15:57:16 EDT 2003
correction: Predominantly it is IR's music that is played in bus-stands and tea-stalls
- From: rajasaranam (@ 210.214.128.79)
on: Thu Jun 26 16:26:56 EDT 2003
thx V
for the follow up
To me both ARR and IR are really great!!!
a correction
ARR - great
IR - greatest
personally i like ARRs songs too. after listening to boys for the past 2 days i started liking some songs but deep inside i know i cant listen to them after 6 months.but when i hear the song frm kaathal jaaathi [ kaathe kaathe no.] it was so soul stirring i know i can listen to this song for long yrs to come.i wont say ARR hav never given such compositions. even now i can listen to his pudhu vellai malai. but the question is wat kind of music is being churned out by ARR predominantly.
I dont agree with u that ARR is for cities/north indians [ north too consists of rural population].i certainely belive that ARR is for the metros and some big cities and towns thats all.
- From: V (@ 147.129.99.184)
on: Thu Jun 26 16:34:06 EDT 2003
rajasaranam,
again you have to realise that you cannot hold a benchmark and evaluate a song based on how much its impression lasts on you. Some people do like fast racy tracks and like to forget about it and move on. Some like melodies that stand test of time.
We cannot say one is better than other. Your view that IR is greatest is your own. I dont have to say anything. According to me ARR is in a totally diff dimesnion in tfm. However for poor composing abilities I admire IR and I think he is an unreachable tower.
I dont like fast music like boys so I might not listen to Boys at all. I go for softer ARR melodies and rural kind of music because I want to support folk music since it is dying.
- From: rajasaranam (@ 210.214.128.79)
on: Thu Jun 26 16:37:16 EDT 2003
to maddy,
on an earlier comment that ARR is knowledgable than IR.i think IR is more knowledgable in folk,carnatic, hindustani and western classical,jazz, reggae, hip-hop etc., why else then the directors prefer IR when they want to do films based on these kind of musics
1.folk - [ all of ramarajan,rajkiran, kasthuriraaja movies]
2.carnatic - [ movies like sindhu bairavi.unaal mudiyum,mogamul]
3.western classical - heyram,kaalapani or siraichalai
4. other kind of musics appear here and there in many movies
so we cant say IR is not knowledgable in these kinds of music
but i do agree that he doesnt know abt commercially available loops and free music softwares etc., but the hell why he shud know these at all. he is a creator every bits and pieces of his compositions comes out frm his own mind. he doesnt need knowledge abt these loops and softwares.
let ARR alone be brilliant in those areas
- From: rajasaranam (@ 210.214.128.79)
on: Thu Jun 26 16:41:06 EDT 2003
ok V
we hav reached a stalemate here.i appreciate ur liking for folk music and the cause u want to support it.keep it up
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