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Same raga used for different situations

Topic started by swarapriyan/Murali Sankar (@ 129.252.23.231) on Fri Oct 23 23:39:22 EDT 1998.
All times in EST +10:30 for IST.

Hope this shall prove a feast to IR fans. IR has invariably used the same raga for conveying different situations eg:

Raga Mohanam:

(1)Vandhadhey kungumam - love
(2)Nilavu thoongum neram - lullaby
(3)Ninnukori varnam - feet tapper
(4)Idhayam oru kovil - meloncholy
(5)Paruvamey - freshness of the dawn

There may be use of anya swaras. but that must not matter to a great extent. This thread may also discuss the works of other MDs. But the appreciation shall be better if different songs in the same raga of an MD is discussed. this may help us get a good look into the versatility of MD.

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• From: rajaG (@ daecfp02.sprint.com) on: Fri Aug 20 15:38:51 EDT 1999
  
  I don't remember the name of this movie but it had two songs by Yesudas set to music by Ravindran (Malayalam) both having Shivaranjani as basis. Paadi azhaiththEn unnai...and Ezhisai geedhamEy enakkoru. However, neither of them were distinct in their style in the sense that both have the standard Shivaranjani pathos.
  
  
• From: pg (@ hqinbh2.ms.com) on: Fri Aug 20 15:48:09 EDT 1999
  
  rajaG : The movie is rasigan oru rasigai *ing Sathyaraj, Ambika.
  
  
• From: Sriram Lakshman (@ snfcb705-04.splitrock.net) on: Sat Aug 21 21:26:58 EDT 1999
  
  RajaG, Shivararanjani was not used differently by Ravindran in that movie. Our LPs and Shankar-Jaikishans really created an antipathy towards this raag with the standard drag ,so much so that I could predict the tune flow. This much hackneyed and pulverised raag was put to best use by the big three in TFM.
  I will just go by my postings in the MSV thread as I did not have sufficient time to discover more.
  U.U.Vaa
  This song has the classical sivaranjani (sung by TMS) and the "pop-Sivaranjani" (sung by SPB and later by TMS). The classical part seems to willingly surrender to the pop-pallavi , so beautifully are the segments bridged together.
  Some more :
  Kalyani -
  Chithirai maatham pournami neram (PS) - Romantic
  ThuNinathapin maname (gantasala) - melancholy
  Vetkamaai irukkuthadi (??) (paar magaLe paar)
  - classical
  KaNNan varum neramithu - PS - Classical
  Abhogi -
  thangaratham vanthathu (Dr.BMK and PS)
  - Heavy classical base (listen to the movie version and not the radio version)
  Yamuna nathi inge (SPB and PS)
  (this is a mix of abhogi and Sriranjani)
  Light romance
  Naathamenum Koyilile - Sriranjani - VJ
  Classical
  Natabhairavi
  Vasanthathil Or NaaL - PS - Semi-classical
  and a festive mood
  Mayakkamaa kalakkamaa - PBS - Reflective mood
  Yaar sirithaal Yenna - PBS - Melancholy
  
  Karaharapriya-
  PonmagaL vanthaaL - TMS - Superb number with amazing pace and tempo. Very uncommon santhams in the stanzas rising in tempo all the time.
  Madhavi ponmayilaaL - TMS - Classical. I am sure RajaG has never heard this number :-).
  
  
  
  
  IR's best Sivaranjani could be "Vaa vaa anbe anbe".
  Mayamalava GouLa -
  Kuyila pudichu - Melancholy
  Mathuramarkkozhunthu vaasam and several more - lighter moods
  
  Natabhairavi
  Aagaya VeNNilave - Good pace& tempo, short santhams and positive feel
  KalyaNa maalai - Reflective and not positive at all.
  Simhendra Madhyamam
  Aananda raagam - Light romance
  Nee pournami - Classical
  
  
  
  
  
  
• From: thathuvavaathi (@ 1cust114.tnt4.hou3.da.uu.net) on: Sun Aug 22 04:43:46 EDT 1999
  
  I guess S.A.Raj Kumar's favorite raagam is Sivaranjani. I think he usually sets atleast one song in Sivaranjani in each movie. Anybody wants to explore this ???
  
  
• From: chinna thathuvavaathi (@ 203.197.128.49) on: Wed Aug 25 22:15:44 EDT 1999
  
  Hi thaths,
  What you said is correct. Like SAR, Deva composes
  most of his songs in sindhu bairavi & rahman, kApi.
  
  
• From: Ramamurthy (@ pppsl2155.chicagonet.net) on: Sat Aug 28 23:14:19 EDT 1999
  
  Kadhalile tholviyutran /tholviyutral from Kalyana parisu by A.M.Raja is based on Sivaranjani.
  It is used well to bring out the pathos mood.
  
  Ramamurthy
  
  
• From: Srikanth (@ proxy2-external.moline1.il.home.com) on: Sun Aug 29 07:34:14 EDT 1999
  
  Hi,
  Most different use of siva ranjani so far I know is by ARR, used it for a rock number.
  Kannum Kannum Kolai adithal in Thiruda Thiruda
  
  
• From: MS (@ ) on: Mon Jan 3 13:04:12 EST 2000
  
  other egs for a different usage of Shivaranjani:
  
  (1) vaa vaa vatthiyaarE vaa. the pallavi is set in shivaranjani - IR
  
  (2) adhO vaaraaNdi vaaraaNdi - MSV
  
  
• From: Vidhya (@ chpxy02-chrtr02.ne.mediaone.net) on: Wed Jan 5 22:43:51 EST 2000
  
  Sahaana-->raagam made for karunai:
  paarthaen sirithaen pakkathil azhaithaen - romantic duet.
  
  Aabheri/Pimplaus:
  Maari pol kaNNeerai sindha kaaraNam yenamma(movie:lavakusa) - brings out tears
  kaNNOdu kaaNbadhellaam thalaiva - Classical
  
  
• From: KSS (@ spider-tl072.proxy.aol.com) on: Wed Jan 5 23:40:24 EST 2000
  
  IMO, one of Ilaiyaraaja's best Shivaranjani numbers is : Kuil Paatu, Ho vandhadhenna Ilam maane. That tune exists in both the exuberant and malancholy moods in the movie. Both versions are superb and the exuberant version takes my breath away. The flute's used in a way that only IR can do.
  
  It's in a Rajkiran movie, probably Raasaave Unnai Nambi.
  
  
• From: vijay (@ ) on: Sun Apr 9 01:16:35 EDT 2000
  
  revive
  
  
• From: vijay (@ 129.252.22.221) on: Sun Apr 9 01:19:09 EDT 2000
  
  I have reposted the foll from IR's limitations thread. guys are welcome to contribute further.
  
  From: vijay (@ 129.252.22.221) on: Sat Apr 8 19:31:28 EDT 2000
  
  
  Srikanth,
  I have not heard 'hello my dear wrong number' even a few times(long time back), but I remember having read sometime back that it was set in Madhuvanti.
  
  Kalyani has been mainly used for devotional songs and duets by raja.
  amma endrazhaikaatha - not exactly a pathos, but it seems KJY cried while singing this song.
  
  nadhiyil aadum poovanam - fantastic melody from kaadhal oviyam.
  
  naan paada varuvaai - SJ has simply freaked out in this song from udhiripookal.
  
  I might have heard 'naan unnai azhaikaatha' but right now from the words Iam not able to recall the tune of the song.
  
  I have always been amazed by MSV using hindolam for a dance-type song like 'namma ooru singaari'.
  of course there is janani janani by IR.
  
  This raga always has a pleasant feel or sometimes evokes a devotional feeling in u. would be really great if someone has composed a pathos in this raga. iam not sure if MSV has one.
  
  One do gets the feeling that IR could have done more experiments like this by using raagas for completely different situations etc.
  
  another example is sudha saaveri. ususally used for happy situations(kaadhal mayakkam, kovil mani osai thannai, sithagathi pookale) it was also used by IR in Devar magan for the song 'manamagale'. this song is actually used for a marriage scene but still when one hears it it has a touch of pathos in it. especially the nadhaswaram(?) in the interlude gives u the feeling.
  
  
  
  From: Srinath (@ 63-217-90-105.sdsl.cais.net) on: Sat Apr 8 20:10:21 EDT 2000
  
  
  Vijay:
  That sounded more like a shehnai in Manamagale, but what a terrific piece ! As you said, it does instill a melancholic feeling in you !
  
  
  
  From: vijay (@ 129.252.22.221) on: Sat Apr 8 20:43:23 EDT 2000
  
  
  OK, srikanth, just found this in the foll link given by a fellow DFer;))
  http://home.att.net/~vasya10/Music/FilmSongNotes/main.html
  
  vellai pura ondru- kalyani . the same song has both happy and pathos versions. u can take the pathos as an example in kalyani. this is the one song where the lyrics lend a strong feeling of melancholy when u hear the pathos version because the tune of the pathos is similar to the happy version. the way KJY sings it also adds to the effect.
  
  
  
  From: Nandakumar (@ pc-sarkar-p.eng.mcmaster.ca) on: Sat Apr 8 21:51:55 EDT 2000
  
  
  people, i am not sure, is'nt 'vandaal mahalakshmiye' (SPB) in kalyani?, that's a completely different situation that those mentioned above.
  
  
  
  From: srikanth (@ wdslppp129.sttl.uswest.net) on: Sat Apr 8 22:49:06 EDT 2000
  
  
  vijay,Dharmavathi and maduvanti in hindustani music are same,
  
  like more msv dharamavathis,
  ammanai azaithevidum...from avan than manithan
  kadal kadal endru pesi...from utharavu indri ulle
  va...
  
  
  if you see in that list..there are many keeravanees
  
  also you have get hold of many old songs....and hear them, they are really good composition.
  
  
  
  
  From: srikanth (@ wdslppp129.sttl.uswest.net) on: Sat Apr 8 23:03:00 EDT 2000
  
  
  we should also discuss kalyanavasantam,
  very good raga....get some raja songs ,
  
  (I will get msv songs then :)))
  
  
  
  From: srikanth (@ wdslppp129.sttl.uswest.net) on: Sat Apr 8 23:14:13 EDT 2000
  
  
  raja's shamugapriya in Kadal kasakudhuayya..very different usage.
  
  
  
  From: vijay (@ 129.252.22.221) on: Sun Apr 9 01:17:03 EDT 2000
  
  
  Srikanth,
  I cant think of any IR's songs in kalyaanavasantham right off my head. if something strikes me I'll let u know. But I definitely know a couple of good nos. from MSV - nalla manam vaazhga and kaanji pattuduthi, both sung by KJY.
  
  But to get a general feel of the range of rare raagas and common raagas IR dealt with, a good start used to be ramaswamy's gireesan's site. Unfortunately the link is no longer working.
  
  srikanth, I think we can discuss these ragas in perhaps some other thread like the IR's creativity thread.
  
  
  
  From: vijay (@ 129.252.22.221) on: Sun Apr 9 01:17:25 EDT 2000
  
  
  Srikanth,
  I cant think of any IR's songs in kalyaanavasantham right off my head. if something strikes me I'll let u know. But I definitely know a couple of good nos. from MSV - nalla manam vaazhga and kaanji pattuduthi, both sung by KJY.
  
  But to get a general feel of the range of rare raagas and common raagas IR dealt with, a good start used to be ramaswamy's gireesan's site. Unfortunately the link is no longer working.
  
  srikanth, I think we can discuss these ragas in perhaps some other thread like the IR's creativity thread.
  
  I have revived the 'same raga used for different situations' thread.
  
  
• From: srikanth (@ wdslppp129.sttl.uswest.net) on: Sun Apr 9 02:37:29 EDT 2000
  
  adding to msvs kalayanavasantham,
  NinNaye nadhi endru...from kanne kaniamuthe..by kjy,
  he gives this ragam only to kjy, i dont know why.
  
  sindiya venmani chipiyile muthachu...is in kalyana vasantham. by raja.
  
  

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