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Is YSR the new ARR?

Topic started by Madhav (@ 62.7.99.59) on Thu May 24 06:16:48 EDT 2001.
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It has been mentioned on more than one occasion that YSR is the MD who will take ARR's place. YSR has produced many hit albums lately using new, fresh and funky styles of music. I believe that this statement has been proved by Yuvan after Dheena, Rishi and Thulluvatho Ilamai. When compared to ARR's recent Thenali and Star we can see that YSR has taken the lead in this race to be the best. YSR has been signed for many new and exciting projects so I can see that he will be the block in ARR's attempt to regain his position as No.1 in TFM.
What are your thoughts on this?

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• From: kiru (@ 64.166.85.213) on: Mon Jun 4 00:49:31 EDT 2001
  
  The advantage of digital music is - you can experiment a lot. This is the reason why ARR takes long time to get it out (experimenting). For his composing a tune, is not enough, but it has to 'sound' (actual sound) different. The arrangements have to be different..the song structure should have some novelty .etc etc..
  But somehow I think he is not concentrating on the tune. YSR seems to be balanced on this but he needs to smooth out some rough edges. Tone down the energy in the songs and add some subtleties, tenderness etc. Then it will be appealing to all age groups !! The fact is he also knows that the youth like his songs, which means he knows he has to work on the rest of the age spectrum..Smart guy !!
  
  
• From: Kupps (@ 156.153.255.134) on: Mon Jun 4 01:34:27 EDT 2001
  
  The advantage of digital music is - you can experiment a lot. - Kiru "experiment" what? experiment music or experiment the digital system's ability to create music?
  
  this is a geniune and general question. no pointers to anyone. i ask this to really know the answer for this.
  
  A musician (vocalist and/or instrumentalist and/or music director) experiments means trying out gamakkams and other forms via voice or trying to bring it thru his/her instrument. But what this digital system does? Is it just like an instrument of the musician or a "slave" musician by itself, which is waiting for its master to give orders to proceed in certain fashion to give a musical output?
  
  i'm not knowledgeble in classical music so if you could explain me with examples it would be great.
  
  
  
• From: mediator (@ 62.7.57.96) on: Mon Jun 4 03:10:18 EDT 2001
  
  Kiru I agree with your point that once YSR gets the balance right of catering to all of the age spectrum, he will be hard to beat.HIs songs now tend to have the young youthful energy and vibrancy.If he does a few more soft slow songs his market will increase even more.I saw softness in a couple of his track,which to name are Irava Pagala from PKP, Vennila veliye varuvaya from UEU, Oh mane mane from Rishi and sollamal thottu from Dheena.I found that in Thulluvatho Ilamai,he got that soft touch in Vayadhu vaa vaa.If he can maybe put 2 tracks of this sort per album,his sales will definately increase.
  
  
• From: Kannan (@ 194.201.128.4) on: Mon Jun 4 04:25:11 EDT 2001
  
  Sridhar.....
  
  If you feel that ARR is being forced to make compromises by one Mr.PK.. then I'm deeply sadened by his efforts as a MD. Is that the only excuse that you could choke up about his latest offering...
  
  However I do agree with you in a way when you say that "its these directors whose force them"... But then again if ARR had refused to be compromised, would this have happened...
  
  After a prolonged IR's dominance in the TFM, no one can argue that ARR had been a revelation... but I fear that it could soon be over if this ingnorant attitude is further encouraged by anyone let alone his true fans whom once appreciated his effort (but longer do so)....
  
  :-))
  
  
• From: mediator (@ 62.7.85.64) on: Mon Jun 4 06:11:56 EDT 2001
  
  Glad to see you understand and agree with my point Kannan
  :-)))
  
  
• From: YSR fan (@ 62.7.53.138) on: Mon Jun 4 16:40:05 EDT 2001
  
  YSR is the best MD to TFM in a long time. He will be number 1 very soon.
  
  
• From: kiru (@ 192.138.149.4) on: Mon Jun 4 18:25:43 EDT 2001
  
  Kupps..the way ARR works. He has the ability to swap out one harmony layer with another and see how it sounds. Basically, these are the benefits of multi-track recording. Also, he can use his synthesiser to try out various instruments and see how it sounds. If it sounds good, he will probably go out, get the real instrument and record it if he wants. During the early years most of ARR's instruments were from the synth/keyboard, including human hand-clapping (!!!).
  For eg. the beats are not necessarily tried out on real instruments. They are tried out on a drum machine..Once programmed, I think you can switch to a different kind of drum and see how it sounds.
  
  Even the voice can be doubled, trebled, echo/delay added.
  
  Synths, Drum machines, Digital Audio Workstations open up so much possibilities in music making. And they have been instrumental in ARR's success.
  
  YSR knows this very well. So he is very much into all these things is my impression/opinion.
  
  
• From: Lavanya (@ 62.7.5.231) on: Tue Jun 5 02:47:54 EDT 2001
  
  I feel YSR is the best thing to happen to TFM of late. He will be the new ARR.
  
  
• From: Kupps (@ 156.153.255.134) on: Tue Jun 5 03:14:58 EDT 2001
  
  so you mean that experiment in digital is in the direction of presentation, am i right?
  
  Presentation, i mean, if i tuned and had, say two set of chorus in my tune, then using digital will help me to 'experiment' and find out how it sounds if i interlay(take it in layman's term, if this word has any meaning in musical sense) these two chorus in a unfamiliar manner and still the outcome "sounds good". do you mean such kind of experiments? did i understand what you said?
  
  Thanks kiru
  
  
  
• From: kiru (@ 64.166.85.213) on: Tue Jun 5 03:36:52 EDT 2001
  
  Kupps..you got it. It is in presentation. You could let somebody sing with simple tabla for starters and then swap it out for drums or something..you could interleave chorus or mini-interludes etc.. It lets you take a 'iterative' approach to song making. Sometimes your singers done have to sing it at a stretch..you can do it in patches. This is what enables ARR to use new singers ..they dont have to be perfect. All these can be done in the comfort of your house ..because only the vocals or single instruments are recorded at any time you can do with a small room. Contrast this with hiring a studio for recording a big string section etc..One has to plan and then execute it. Redoing things can be very costly.
  
  
• From: cosmician (@ 194.170.127.53) on: Tue Jun 5 05:01:56 EDT 2001
  
  Kiru and Kupps...enlilghtening discussion ! Just imagine, was doing all this string arrangements and recording...all within deadlines !
  
  ARR has managed to infuse his digital sounds with qualiy and depth...and being from the advertising field where creative juices start flowing only when the deadline approaches and shines only when under pressure..and given the reason where he wants his compositions to sound as different as possible from the earlier MDs..he takes more time !
  
  
• From: cosmician (@ 194.170.127.53) on: Tue Jun 5 05:03:10 EDT 2001
  
  Oops !
  
  Read :
  
  Just imagine, was doing all this string arrangements and recording...all within deadlines !
  
  as
  
  Just imagine, IR was doing all this string arrangements and recording...all within deadlines !
  
  
  
  
  
• From: arrfan (@ 203.200.15.20) on: Tue Jun 5 06:26:39 EDT 2001
  
  Travis,
  This is to do with the recycling stuff-I feel all of u are mistaken-how can u call music of movie remakes/dubbed ones as recycled???(eg.-taal & taalam)According to me,recycling is repeating the same tune and orchestration in a completely new,different film(refer my list in the old responses)And no one so far has answered my question-why does ARR do it?of course,none but ARR himself will know the answer to this question!!!!!but i just wanna know u'r opinions.do other M.Ds do it as much as he does it?
  
  
• From: Kupps (@ 156.153.255.134) on: Tue Jun 5 06:33:23 EDT 2001
  
  mmmm...thanks kiru i understand.
  
  yes cosmician yours is a valid reason that answers the delay in giving output if more "digital" is used to tune the presentation of output finer.
  
  
• From: Ganesh (@ 210.214.131.51) on: Tue Jun 5 06:53:57 EDT 2001
  
  Producing wonderful tunes + writing awesome scores for traditional instruments + blending these effortlessly with a melange of modern sounds = ARR.
  
  ARRs control and mastery over the above 3 aspects is amazing (just listen to his latest offering lagaan and you will know what I mean).
  
  YSR has not matched ARR is each of these 3 aspects individually , let alone bringing them together.
  
  He has quite some way to go b4 he can even be compared with the master.
  
  All IMHO.
  
  
• From: A R Rahman (@ 213.122.87.167) on: Tue Jun 5 09:39:36 EDT 2001
  
  Ganesh, if you listened to ARR's latest re;ease star, you will see that he isn't putting any effort into his projects.If he can't put a valid effort into his projects maybe he sholudn't accept them
  
  
• From: Radha (@ 62.7.44.201) on: Tue Jun 5 14:04:20 EDT 2001
  
  ARR is out, YSR is in.Lets move with the times.
  
  
• From: Radha (@ 62.7.44.201) on: Tue Jun 5 14:05:11 EDT 2001
  
  ARR is out, YSR is in.Lets move with the times.
  
  
• From: mahabs (@ 203.197.138.163) on: Tue Jun 5 14:20:25 EDT 2001
  
  Mr. Travis
  
  thanks for a sane voice. i joined in this df because some people wanted to belittle IR. he is a legend and should be accorded such a status unanimously by all the music lovers. but, prejudiced people foeget his contribution.
  
  howver, only recently i read old archives. i realized that these are only retaliations! this war was started really by HCIR fans. (i am also one)
  
  let us stop this. there is so much to music. we could discuss finer points of music, which are many. there are so much things to learn about music.
  
  anbudan
  mahabs
  
  
  
• From: shaNmugam (@ 63.101.96.1) on: Tue Jun 5 15:38:14 EDT 2001
  
  Ganesh,
  
  You are right. Lagaan songs was amazing (however, one song sounds very similar to a song in 'kAdhalar dhinam') and I agree with all the 3 facets you had attributed to ARR's music. But, as srikAnth mentioned, ARR seems to concentrate more on hindi films than Thamizh. Listen to his latest offering "thenAli" and you will know what I mean - very ordinary songs (I don't expect much from ARR w.r.t. BGM anyway). One or two more "thenAlis" and ARR will be out of the race; and we don't want that to happen, do we?
  
  
• From: shaNmugam (@ 63.101.96.1) on: Tue Jun 5 15:39:12 EDT 2001
  
  I didn't mention "star" in my previous posting since the tunes were recycled from "thakshak"
  
  

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