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Vani Jayaram's songs

Topic started by avvaiyar (@ 203.116.61.132) on Wed Jan 27 02:29:28 EST 1999.
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I'm a new visitor to this website. I couldn't see anyone discussing about Vani Jayaram's songs.
Let me start this one.(It had been there previously pls. forgive me!)

"Ezhu swarangalukkul ethanai paadal..
Ithaya surangathul ethanai kelvi...
Vaazhum manitharukkul ethanai salanam.."

Wow! Beautiful voice!

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• From: susi (@ 216.209.200.18) on: Mon Jan 14 16:51:48 EST 2002
  
  I have a great selection of vani's songs. One of the song is Kungumal kolangal from the movie anan oru koil. Very beautifully done by vani.
  
  
• From: isaiosai (@ 165.122.128.246) on: Mon Jan 14 16:59:31 EST 2002
  
  Naaz,
  Missed ur previous post. I was saying that TB wanted a not-so-shrill-to-ghaNirnu kind of a voice. That is why I explained about TBs quest for a better dubbing artist for Nandita. VJ's voice does not fall under that category nor does KSC's and Suja's.
  
  I think IR preferred VJ and prefers Uma Ramanan (UR)and Swarnalatha (SWL) for specific songs. They fall under the same category. He prefers PS for certain songs (80's and later) and SJ usually did most of the other songs (including those routine ones). In fact, if you look at what songs of IR would have suited VJ, u will find that most of them will be that of UR's and probably few of SWL's. I personally cannot imagine VJ singing most of those SJ's gems. As to why IR did not give VJ more chances - I feel that they could not develop a strong working relationship. That's all.
  
  
• From: Naaz (@ 24.76.127.63) on: Mon Jan 14 17:05:04 EST 2002
  
  I am amazed as to how much work went into finding the right voices for Azhagi, KS. Such a quest for perfection - Incredible, when to realise that Nandita Das did not speak her own lines or sing her own songs. Tamizhe Un Villai Yenna? I am prompted to ask!
  
  Talking of Ghanirnu voice - Have you listened to VJ's Aanathi Neeara from Swati Kiranam, or Veru Idam Thedi Povalo from Sila Nerangalil Sila Manithargal...
  It that isn't Ghanir enough - I wonder what is.
  
  
• From: isaiosai (@ 165.122.128.246) on: Mon Jan 14 17:07:05 EST 2002
  
  Naaz..Naaz
  
  
• From: Naaz (@ 24.76.127.63) on: Mon Jan 14 17:11:30 EST 2002
  
  IR has called VJ's ability to grasp and deliver a tune - the agility of her brain, and the effortlessness of her singing - a COMPUTER. Quite the compliment, if you ask me!
  
  
• From: Naaz (@ 24.76.127.63) on: Mon Jan 14 17:14:14 EST 2002
  
  Yenna Isai Isai...
  Kasi padalgal sumar than... Would you say IR gives Hariharan tunes which he once gave SPB? But you are right - Kasi songs are at least with some tamizh manam - which seems to have all but vanished from TFM in recent times.
  
  
• From: isaiosai (@ 165.122.128.246) on: Mon Jan 14 17:14:25 EST 2002
  
  yes, quite a compliment for her.
  
  
• From: Naaz (@ 24.76.127.63) on: Mon Jan 14 17:28:08 EST 2002
  
  For those who are interested, here is an interview with VJ:
  
  http://www.themusicmagazine.com/vanijairamint.ht
  
  
• From: Naaz (@ 24.76.127.63) on: Mon Jan 14 17:29:08 EST 2002
  
  Sorry - I don't know why the link is not working...will try to post later.
  
  
• From: isaiosai (@ 165.122.128.246) on: Mon Jan 14 17:36:26 EST 2002
  
  Naaz,
  that is why i said i have no complaints about IR when compared to others. for u Kaasi songs sumaara irukalaam. In the same way, most of VJ's songs in this thread may seem sumaaruthan for many. As a matter of fact, I feel most of the songs sung by UR for IR would not have had the same magic feel if VJ had sung them.
  
  Did u notice where all in the album Kaasi u get to hear modern sound/beats? In today's digitalised/computerised techno-sound TFM world, is it not great to come up with compositions with mostly native instruments? Even the tunes, u cannot say they are sumaaru really. They realy gel with the film. In that sense, they are great.
  
  Just curious, do u find any mistakes in VJ's songs. Or is she perfect? Was curious b'cos u seem to find fault with almost every artist except VJ.
  
  
• From: Naaz (@ 24.76.127.63) on: Mon Jan 14 17:36:38 EST 2002
  
  Let's try again:
  
  http://www.themusicmagazine.com/indexjan01.html
  
  article: Guddi and the Baddies. Hope it works now!
  
  
• From: (@ 165.122.128.246) on: Mon Jan 14 17:37:54 EST 2002
  
  "every artist" = "every other artist"
  
  
• From: isaiosai (@ 165.122.128.246) on: Mon Jan 14 17:40:09 EST 2002
  
  Naaz,
  
  Trying to help u… http://www.themusicmagazine.com/vanijairamint.html
  
  
• From: nallthambi (@ 128.119.85.174) on: Mon Jan 14 18:12:14 EST 2002
  
  vani jeyaram rocks!
  
  nethaikku kooda paathaen!
  
  
• From: Naaz (@ 24.76.127.63) on: Mon Jan 14 18:25:37 EST 2002
  
  I have not found fault with UR, KJY, SPB, PS, KSC, KK, LM, AB,...- so why do you insinuate such a thing??
  Thappa Paadina, Tappnnuthan sollanum. Why should one hold back??
  
  
• From: isaiosai (@ 165.122.128.246) on: Mon Jan 14 18:26:06 EST 2002
  
  Naaz,
  
  /*Talking of Ghanirnu voice - Have you listened to VJ's Aanathi Neeara from Swati Kiranam, or Veru Idam Thedi Povalo from Sila Nerangalil Sila Manithargal...
  It that isn't Ghanir enough - I wonder what is.
  */
  
  I understand from that TB's dubbing-artist episode that VJ, UR, SWL's kind of voice was not what he wanted. VJ, UR and SWL's voices also have a tinge of "keechu" kural (pl. try to understand, i can't express in a better way:-)) to them. KSC and Suja had no chance. He wanted something different.
  
  Also, as to why VJ was not given chance by most of the Tamil and Telugu FMDs (for that matter, south indian MDs in general), did u ever wonder how obliging she was and made herself available for them? I feel even this could be one of the reasons for things not working in her favour. Of course, i can't substantiate by evidence on this (:)) but then there are certain things u just feel...
  
  
• From: Naaz (@ 24.76.127.63) on: Mon Jan 14 18:36:26 EST 2002
  
  Professional Singers have to be treated and respected as Professionals. Perhaps, in film music, "personal" favours and friendships are necessary to get to the top... VJ might have just wanted to keep her professionalism intact and uncompromised. Could that be a valid proposition? Interestingly enough, MSV, Vijayabhaskar, Devarajan, Shankar-Ganesh, Gangai Amaran, Chandrabose, KV Mahadevan, Vasant Desai, Pt. Ravi Shankar, Ananda-Shankar...did not seem to have an issue with VJ's voice or abilities. What's more telling is that most of the above mentioned MDs are either dead or have been sidelined - by more "obliging" MDs and Singers, perhaps. Tells you something about the film industry, doesn't it?
  
  
• From: Naaz (@ 24.76.127.63) on: Mon Jan 14 18:42:05 EST 2002
  
  When I said Kasi songs were Sumar Than - that statement has to be seen in the context of IR's other superior efforts - which are many. Kasi does not even match up to a Payanangal Mudivathillai or Ninaivellam Nithya. It may seem a good album because of the abundance of crap that comes out these days - but for IR it is still a mediocre, if not middling, effort.
  
  
• From: isaiosai (@ 165.122.128.246) on: Mon Jan 14 19:39:27 EST 2002
  
  Naaz,
  
  Obliging can be in a good sense and that is what i meant. It helps in building good work-relationship too. In a healthy relationship one wouldn't see that as a compromise (pl. understand this statement). Now that SJ was IR's favourite during his peak time, do u mean ill of SJ? She matched him in every way and so was his favourite. Come on Naaz. You can do better. I strongly feel VJ had something in this area that no MD really preferred her to others. After all, not all MDs are bad, are they?
  
  On the other hand, if you are happy that VJ had sung for so many good MDs, then why feel sad that others did not give her enough chances. And if most of those MDs are no maore and others alive have been sidelined, then isn't it evident that time has soemthing to do with it? And if that "obliging" MDs includes IR, then you should know how obliging he really is:) I am sure you know many top producers and directors are not in favour of him anymore. Probably, u would guess, for being too obliging:)
  
  I personally feel PS and SJ were better than VJ during that time for the FM medium and so were more successful. Who knows, anything can happen anytime and VJ might as well make a come back.
  
  Anyway, Why don't you answer if u find any mistakes or shortcomings in VJ's singing? How about listing some?
  
  
• From: isaiosai (@ 165.122.128.246) on: Mon Jan 14 19:49:10 EST 2002
  
  Naaz,
  
  regd. Kaasi: No doubts there are other works of IR that are more superior but one should also look at it relative to time. Kaasi came at a time when TFM people almost forgot that songs can also be composed in that manner and 'i feel' that makes it great. Can you imagine a MD having worked with RPO and Hungarian PO (with that kind of orchestra) underplay to this extent and sound so simple. At least, I didn't. And that makes it special.
  
  
• From: Naaz (@ 24.76.127.63) on: Mon Jan 14 20:59:35 EST 2002
  
  I have always said that IR is a genius (check the SJ should stop singing thread). Secondly, I have also maintained that some of IR's most challenging compositions went to VJ. Others here can corroborate that. I did not ever say that other MDs did not give her "enough" chances. Those grievances were voiced by others here who said she was "underutilised" - even by IR. To which my response was: VJ, I am sure is happy with her accomplishments, as the loss is not hers.
  So before you go around misquoting me or taking issue with my statements, please do me the favour of reading them in their context/and tone. I am not here to support VJ. I am here to share my appreciation of her work with others - and I have also pointed out her perecieved limitations (go back a few posts to the whole "sweetness" debate in this thread,) and have also said that some of her efforts were mediocre, if not merely modest. Those statements are there as well.
  If you find fault with VJ's songs in Tamil - please let me know - I am sure that would be informative. To my tamil ears, I have not heard any mispronunciation or mangling of the language by her.
  If you feel PS and SJ are better than VJ - you have every right to your opinion. I, personally will never use the word "better" - without qualifying it
  in musical/rendition terms. Hypothetical cases are different, and if there is a point of comparison (raga, rendition, modulation, clarity, diction) then by all means it a valid comparative term. But just to signfy "appeal" it (better) does not help at all. There is no alternative to Personal Choice, Isaiosai. I am sure I have my biases just as you. And if this argument is going to devolve into something like that - then, I am sorry, I cannot add much to it.
  
  
  
• From: Naaz (@ 24.76.127.63) on: Mon Jan 14 21:13:17 EST 2002
  
  I also did not say "all MDs are bad." Those are your words. I was only drawing your attention to the term "Professionalism." Some people are principled and believe that the don't have to bend-over-backwards to be in the good books of others. They just have to do their job to the best of their ability (that's why they are hired in the first place) and be truthful to their artistic/creative spirit. To go around saying nice things, praising egos, remembering birthdays, having felicitations and dinners, being artificically affectionate, taking sides in music wars/politics...yes, this is prevalent and is also one way of making a place for oneself in the tamil film industry. This is not to say that SJ or PS do it. It is just to say that VJ might choose NOT to do it. This has nothing to do with being "obliging" or not, nothing to do with being "creatively incompatible." It is a boundary some principled people do not wish to cross. And that is their prerogative.
  And just for the record: Vijayabhaskar has given VJ 95% of his film music compositions. His latest film also has 4 songs by VJ. That was/is still a fruitful creative collaboration. KV Mahadevan (who passed away recently) also worked well with VJ and gave her two national award-winning films/songs. That's also proof of healthy creativity.
  
  

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