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Hindi Is Sweet, Tamil Is Not

Topic started by Neel D (@ 24.99.73.50) on Thu Jul 31 08:28:30 EDT 2003.
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Hindi is sweet, Tamil is not - Says Karthik Raja

In an interview aired Tuesday (July 28) on Singapore's Oli Tamil Radio, to a question Karthik Raja replied that he likes composing for Hindi movies because the language is so sweet and makes his composition sound sweet. He went on to say that he thinks that that sweetness is missing in Tamil.

When the interviewers (two women) asked him about the current generation of singers he said that after SPB and Hariharan there has been no new male singer who is versatile. He added that the new male singers are all so monotonous.

The two women interviewers spoke in pure Tamil and only in Tamil. Karthik Raja's vocabulary was about 70% English and 30% Tamil. (At the end of the interview, the interviewers thanked him for his efforts to speak in Tamil.)

The interviewers asked who were the singers in his latest album, Karthik replied "Vijay Parakash, from Mumbai". The interviewers repied, "yeah, north indian singers' voices do have a vaseegaram".

I was so impressed at the maturity, diplomacy and the pride in heritage of the interviewers (the two Singaporean women).

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• From: !!!!! (@ 68.77.22.143) on: Mon Aug 4 00:05:15 EDT 2003
  
  is Hindi derived from sanskrit, r u kiddin, saar? the script is the only thing from sanskrit, in fact tamil has more affinity to sanskrit than any other lingo on earth. i am not saying about Tamil' reasonable adapted words of sanskrit.
  
  Can someone tell me how if these weird sounding poetic words are from sanskrit? is it urdu or hindi? is urdu derived from sanskrit or persian and arabic?
  
  ulfath
  haqeekath
  fakir
  zulph
  ishq
  mohabath
  fikar
  fakir
  
  no prejudice, just clarificasun only.
  
  Karthik raja maybe right, but after learning Hindi (instead of taking Tamil) I think i prefer to learn and speak Tamil rest of my life! Hindi does seem to be hollow in many respects like a fair n lovely woman ;---)
  
  
• From: MADDY (@ 203.94.234.56) on: Mon Aug 4 02:42:33 EDT 2003
  
  Hindi's script was formulated by Panini who was a sanskrit pandit..so it had a lot of sanskrit influence in it.... but as time moved on, urdu took influence on hindi(courtesy:moghul emperors)....Tamil is older than sanskrit,i guess... KR is partially rite bcos, hindi is a very easy language to write poems and also easy for tune-making bcos of urdu touch in it.... but no way near to Tamil in versatality..... btw urdu is a very charismatic language isn't it?....
  
  
• From: . (@ 203.196.148.194) on: Mon Aug 4 03:18:50 EDT 2003
  
  Out of all dravidian language or for that
  matter any language at that time, Tamil is
  the one language which as kept its distance
  from Sanskrit.
  
  Tamil is sweet. We all know that.
  
  Leave alone the heresy!
  
  
  
  
  
  
• From: Sim (@ 195.219.173.4) on: Mon Aug 4 03:41:49 EDT 2003
  
  Oisg,
  ""Since the day when an wooden,ageing Hindi actor with huge bags under the eyes turns out to be your ONLY patron""
  
  Are you pointing to the stern, wooden, principled, disciplinary actor of Hindi films-- Rajkumar????
  If yes, I can only express my disappointment.
  
  
  
• From: VISH (@ 202.88.224.166) on: Mon Aug 4 03:58:08 EDT 2003
  
  HATS OFF TO KARTHIK RAJA FOR TELLING THE TRUTH. YES MAN..HINDI ROCKS AND TAMIL SUCKS..JAI KARTHIK RAJA
  
  
• From: VISH (@ 202.88.224.166) on: Mon Aug 4 03:58:52 EDT 2003
  
  HATS OFF TO KARTHIK RAJA FOR TELLING THE TRUTH. YES MAN..HINDI ROCKS AND TAMIL SUCKS..JAI KARTHIK RAJA
  
  
• From: VISH (@ 202.88.224.166) on: Mon Aug 4 03:59:13 EDT 2003
  
  HATS OFF TO KARTHIK RAJA FOR TELLING THE TRUTH. YES MAN..HINDI ROCKS AND TAMIL SUCKS..JAI KARTHIK RAJA
  
  
• From: VISH (@ 202.88.224.166) on: Mon Aug 4 03:59:38 EDT 2003
  
  HATS OFF TO KARTHIK RAJA FOR TELLING THE TRUTH. YES MAN..HINDI ROCKS AND TAMIL SUCKS..JAI KARTHIK RAJA
  
  
• From: Whatever (@ 203.131.109.66) on: Mon Aug 4 06:06:35 EDT 2003
  
  Maddy:
  
  summa reel vida kudadhu. Urdu is derived from Hindi and Persian. onnum theriyama yetho petha vendiyadhu. Get your facts right, chap. Then you con pontificate on language.
  
  
• From: MADDY (@ 203.94.218.220) on: Mon Aug 4 07:56:36 EDT 2003
  
  then who is panini my dear???
  
  
• From: MADDY (@ 203.94.218.220) on: Mon Aug 4 08:04:09 EDT 2003
  
  wow check out this site KR-fans and others.... wat he has said is absolutely true... Hindi is the "Language of Songs"... man hats off to KR for such a good statement..... my respect for him has just blossomed.... and "whatever" read the ancestory of Hindi...intersting they also contribute dravidian languages for Hindi's rise... dunt miss this link guys.....
  
  http://www.cs.colostate.edu/~malaiya/hindiint.html
  
  
• From: stg (@ 12.151.162.23) on: Mon Aug 4 08:42:31 EDT 2003
  
  Tamils is probably the only language which can be spoken throat upwards. Hindi is a guttural language where most of the letters have to come from the stomach. Sanskrit is also like that, you can see the prohithars literraly panting while performing the rituals. Its really surprising to hear that tamil is not sweet. Probably KR has not yet fully explored thamizh I think or may be its just his preference or he just does not bother to stretch and go the extra mile and perhaps that does not make economic sense.
  
  
• From: MusicIsLife (@ 170.146.91.6) on: Mon Aug 4 08:59:18 EDT 2003
  
  To !!!!
  http://www.letslearnhindi.com/about_hindi.htm
  
  Probably u might want to read that.
  
  This one disputes the claim..
  http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Ithaca/1335/Lang/hndy_lg.html#sans
  
  But since now i strongly believed that Hindi for the matter of fact all northern indian languages had the base from Sanskrit.
  
  Tamil on the other hand: is a soul south indian non derived language. I guess the most closest Tamil could be is to Grantham.
  
  Whatever: you might be wrong partially.. see the link below
  http://ms.essortment.com/urdulanguage_rguo.htm
  
  Tamizh history might be seen here
  http://www.geocities.com/Athens/5180/tamil7.html
  
  So what is sweetness!! the underlying meaning, depth, or the pleasantness in hearing, or easy of compositions, or rhyming words, easy to express, easy to be sung
  I really dont know what the fuss is all about. We cannot compare languages like this just by overall description. As a matter of fact, i cannot pronounce SAMSA with the 'TZ' sound in marathi, but i try.. it is the same way we have zh in tamizh. Does it mean Marati is sweeter than tamizh, not really the other way around too.
  
  A person growing with the base language acquaints to the words, meanings and all the precise attribution to certain language, but surely as tamilians (as i said in the earlier post) should be and can be proud of their language, since it is essentially a language that still exists in the purest form and coloquial expression.
  
  Sometimes it becomes tedious when it is literary, then that is where the flexibility comes up to play.. language is for communication.
  
  
• From: Whatever (@ 203.87.131.138) on: Mon Aug 4 09:31:54 EDT 2003
  
  Panini was a grammarian - know what that means? Does not mean that he invented Hindi. It is bloody absurd to say that since Panini formulated the script he invented the language.
  
  There are languages that have no script at all. Does it mean that no one invented them? enna pethal idhu?
  
  Hindi is a language that is spoken by less than 50% of the Indian population. If you chaps are so keen on it, why don't you just start your own Hindi forum and move over there? Why corrupt this one with your "hotha hai"? ketta vartha madhiri illa?
  
  
• From: MusicIsLife (@ 170.146.91.6) on: Mon Aug 4 09:49:09 EDT 2003
  
  Whatever!! what is wrong with you.
  I am not trying to disprove anything, coz, i am not the authority in language origins or a linguist for the matter of fact. Just read through the years.. You should surely read the article links provided b4 commenting on anything.
  Languages are more of a evolution than invention.
  
  I am not going to answer if there is no sense and a little homework done by any DF'er b4 commenting out stuff
  
  But surely made me think: languages having no script but used commonly (like the dialects)!!
  
  thanks for that..
  
  
• From: Jag (@ 35.11.98.63) on: Mon Aug 4 12:21:57 EDT 2003
  
  MIL,
  Recent research suggests that the other three dravidian languages Telugu, Malayalam and Kannada
  have had an independant evolution. The theory of sanskrit's inheritance is now not a consensus, as these languages have only borrowed words from it but the base language seems to be a hybrid tongue from which all of these separated 2000 years ago.
  
  
• From: Raj (@ 206.97.63.112) on: Mon Aug 4 13:32:05 EDT 2003
  
  Jag: Malayalam is a mix of Tamil and Sanskrit. It came into existence around the 9th century. If you visit Kerala, there is a palace with a museum. There are a number of inscriptions indicating that even after Malayalam came into existence Tamil continued to be the language of the courts and administration. There are a number of explanations for the emergence of Malayalam. The hybrid tongue you refer to is called 'proto Tamil' or 'proto Dravidian'. Since Tamil has the oldest recorded literature, linguists use 'proto Tamil'. As you may know Tamil literature is more than 2000 years old.
  To be frank, I am not sure what this debate about languages accomplishes. What language a person likes for music is individual taste. In fact, there is one north Indian language called 'Brahui' that comes under Dravidian languages. It is also generally accepted that the north Indian languages are derivatives of Sanskrit, except for a few like Brahui. These languages are classified as Indo-Germanic or Indo-European languages. When they came to Dravidian languages, they could not find any relation to any other language or language groups. All languages borrow from other languages. Sanskrit and Tamil borrowed from each other, the only difference being Tamil borrowed more. If you noticed, Tamil has been cleaned up a lot in the last 50 years. The script also evolves over time. The current script for Sanskrit based languages is called 'Devanagari'. For Tamil it is called 'Ashokan southern Brahmi'. Tamil script has also changed in the last 50 years to accommodate printing. If anyone is interested in learning about the evoulution of Tamil script, they might visit Tirumalai Naicker Mahal in Madurai. It has a board showing the evolution of Tamil script.
  Linguistics is a big subject. It takes a lot of time. I have been reading a lot because I am interested in Computational Liguistics. I have a well known linguistics expert helping me. Still, there are areas that seem to be very subjective.
  As I said earlier, language for music is individual choice. You can find sweetness in every language.
  
  
• From: MusicIsLife (@ 170.146.91.6) on: Mon Aug 4 15:25:58 EDT 2003
  
  Raj, Jag
  If you read my post, i expressed my opinion about sweetness..
  Again i am not a authority in Language Origins, but could surely guess Tamil existed way b4 other languages emerged..
  
  

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