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Topic started by TFM Group on Tue Jan 27 15:47:28 EST 1998.
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• From: Ramamurthy (@ 12.251.198.112) on: Wed Oct 16 09:08:40 EDT 2002
  
  The identical hindi version of Samsaram song was sung by Talat Mehmood.The Mela song of Rafi is completely different although the format has some similarities.
  Ramamurthy
  
  
• From: Vicky (@ 12.89.175.92) on: Wed Oct 16 09:47:46 EDT 2002
  
  Saravanan: Thanks for the correction.
  
  
• From: Vicky (@ 12.89.175.92) on: Wed Oct 16 09:51:28 EDT 2002
  
  Ramamurthy: I am not quite sure about that. Talat, Mukesh and Shamsahd had quite a few numbers in Mela. But "Yeh Zindagi Ke Mele" was sung by Rafi. As I mentioned the song was quite similar in its vocalism than the percussion arrangement.
  
  
• From: Shankar (@ 198.151.230.253) on: Fri Oct 18 00:47:36 EDT 2002
  
  Hi
  I am a big fan of Kannadasan songs and was wondering where I might get a comprehensive list of all film songs written by him. I realise this means over 4000 (am i right?), but I am trying to build a library and would like the list to be complete. any help would be appreciated.
  
  thanks to all
  
  shankar
  
  
• From: Sreenivas (@ 149.225.184.178) on: Fri Oct 18 10:30:26 EDT 2002
  
  Vicky: Could you please give some examples showing "western classical ambience to many of CR Subburaman's compositions; especially from "Bal(a)raaju" and/or "Swapna Sundari".
  
  BTW, CRS composed only background music for "baalaraaju". Out of 18 songs 11 were composed by Ghantasala and the rest by Gaali Penchalayya (aka Galipenchala Narasimharao).
  
  I agree with Mr. Ramamurthy that the "Mela" song of Rafi is completely different from the song in "Samsaaram" (1950). However a good number of songs in Telugu version were based on earlier Hindi songs. The best known example is: Jikki's "kala nijamaayegaa" (Lata's "jiyaa bekaraar hein", Barsaat , 1949). "Takku Takku Tamakula banDi" (Ghantasala, Jikki, chorus) is based on "gun gun gun"(Afsar-1949, MD: SD Burman) but they are two completely different kinds of songs.
  
  Vakkalanka Sarala (a well known singer of yester years (1948-1952) in Telugu) who worked in the Hindi division of Gemini studios said, in an interview, to Mr. VAK Rangarao (he needs no introduction, I believe) that she "auditioned AMR for the Hindi version of the same song (later sung by Talat, as Mr. Ramurthy already mentioned) and when she was not satisfied, AMR replied that he was not in a good mood and promised to come back for another audition, which never happened." Anyhow, Gemini's Hindi films of that period: "Sansaar, Mr. Sampat and Do dulhen" have no songs of him.
  
  Incidentally "samsaaram" (Tamil, 1951) was the debut film for AMR. His Telugu film debut was a year later in "aadarSam" and "samkraanti" (both released in 1952).
  
  Regards,
  Sreenivas
  
  
• From: Vicky (@ ) on: Fri Oct 18 22:21:21 EDT 2002
  
  Sreenivas:
  
  Thanks for the clarification and I appreciate your time in sharing the that piece of information. The movie" Balaraju" had indeed three composers (but their respective roles are subject to debate and its beyond the subject matter of this reply) as you mentioned.
  
  So numerous are the films, and so numerous are the information accompanying such filmography (composer, lyrics, actors etc...) that to keep track of them, one would need squad of research assistants to be perfect all the time.
  
  May be something slipped past me and I can't really be expected to catch up on every piece of information. While we are on the subject of CRS's contribution, I would like to share a few thoughts:
  
  First I'd like to offer an uncharacteristic (for me) defense of CRS's musical genius. CRS did bring some innovative ideas to background scores and also orchestration (traces of western classical ambience in his horn section arrangements-one should refrain from expecting full scale orchestration with western classical notations as we usually tilt towards vocalism) in the mentioned movies and in particular the tamil movie "Velaikari". Even the song "Malligai Poo Jathi Roja" from the Gemini movie "Raji En Kanmani" (Composer-Hanumantha Rao) is a popular background score of a western movie of the 1950's (I was surprised to see the same in the AMC channel the other day).
  
  Second, someone needs to explain to those orthodox religious authoritative (self-pronounced)moviebuffs/historians that there are times when committing a small sin helps someone avoid committing a larger sin.
  
  Third, you're kinda smug about it. Yes, you've got fewer movie statistics at your fingertips, but, there are laymen out there who are looking to derive at some basic information and may resent the fact about the superiority brawl and brand them as short-sighted.
  
  Fourth, someone posed a question as to why one should compare indian playback community to opera singers as no one would have any idea as what the author is arriving at. I dont agree with that either. There are many a qualified musical analysts/composers who are aware of music that transcends beyond their borders (ethnomusicology).
  
  Music is a common language, says YoYo Ma (who plays the cello) an extraordinary classical musician/composer as he struggled to accompany a mongolian singer on her vocal lines (from Introduction to the work "Silk Road Journeys"-When Strangers meet). Music is about diversity and discovering transnational voices.
  
  Fifth, some of you out there reading this may be wondering why I'm raisng these concerns, lately many threads have become a disgusting superiority contests on the wealth information someone could share, and depriving the reader the real spirit/essence of each member's views or thoughts in that process.
  
  
  
  
  
• From: Vicky (@ 12.89.128.132) on: Sat Oct 19 22:39:57 EDT 2002
  
  Just came accoss a very rare song by AMR/PS "Ulaavum Thendral Nilavai Pirivathu..Sallaba Maiyilum Veghathai Kandu"....something I have'nt heard in all these years. SK/Saravanan/Manisegaran/Raj/Kalai looking forward to hearing from you guys soon....The composition is amazing...
  
  
• From: Ramamurthy (@ 12.251.198.112) on: Sun Oct 20 11:24:20 EDT 2002
  
  Srinivas:
  Thanks for the details about the Sansar Hindi film song by talat.All three versions (hindi,tamil and telugu)sound really good even after 50 years.
  Vicky:
  Thanks for reminding about the A.M.Raja duet
  Ulavum thendral.It is one of my favourite songs.It is from the movie Kodiswaran.It stars Sivaji Ganesan and S.Balachandar(veenai).It is a much underrated comedy.I think the singer with Raja is Rathnamala.
  Ramamurthy
  
  
• From: a.a. (@ 64.229.211.7) on: Sun Oct 20 16:29:06 EDT 2002
  
  Is there a link to listen the hindi version of the song `Samsaaram samsaaram'?
  Thanks in advance.
  
  
• From: Vicky (@ 12.89.170.16) on: Sun Oct 20 20:04:54 EDT 2002
  
  Ramamurthy: You are welcome. Thanks for the details. Glad that I rediscovered this song again after a long time and shared it with the forum. Certain songs dont fade away from your memory. This is one such comoposition. PS is amazing.
  
  
• From: sk (@ 137.132.3.7) on: Sun Oct 20 20:22:56 EDT 2002
  
  Vicky:
  
  I think Ramamurthy said that the singer in that song is Rathnamala and not PS.
  
  
• From: Vicky (@ 12.89.171.142) on: Thu Oct 24 19:28:55 EDT 2002
  
  One song that I still remember from my early years is from the movie "Pelli Chesi Choodu" titled "Evaro Evaro....Ee Navanataka Sutradari...Manchigaaruga Maamagarini". Not a day passes by without the song striking my memory. Its a very haunting melody quite known for its simplicity, melancholy and artistry (Composed by Ghantasala and Lyrics by Pingali).
  
  Ghantasala/P Leela's mature voices have quite an equilibrium and where, the percussion takes the sideline. Listen to it, you will experience what I am talking about...
  
  The same movie was made (should I say dubbed) in tamil and known as "Kalyanam Panni Paar" (1952) and the song titled "Yevaro Yevaro.." (Voices-Ghantasala/P Leela) composed by Ghantasala.
  
  These are some of the masterpieces which needs to be reproduced for the sake of nostalgia. Looking forward to to both the tamil and teleugu versions from contributors and movie buffs.
  
  
• From: Vicky (@ 12.89.171.142) on: Thu Oct 24 19:34:02 EDT 2002
  
  The mentioned song in tamil should read as "Ivara..Ivara"......
  
  
• From: Vicky (@ 12.89.171.142) on: Thu Oct 24 19:39:54 EDT 2002
  
  The mentioned song in tamil should read as "Ivara..Ivara"......
  
  
• From: sk (@ 137.132.3.10) on: Wed Oct 30 01:23:01 EST 2002
  
  Folks:
  
  Check out this site:
  http://www.angelfire.com/art/indianheartbeat/
  My friend Sreedhar introduced me to it just now. Some very good songs in real audio.
  
  
• From: Ramki (@ 161.150.2.20) on: Wed Oct 30 15:18:57 EST 2002
  
  sk thanks for the link
  
  
• From: saroja (@ 62.255.64.6) on: Thu Oct 31 14:09:16 EST 2002
  
  what about the song godhavari gattundhi gattumeedha chettundhi chettukommalla pittundhi from pantanti kaapuram by sushila
  in the 70s sukkalo petha suka chandamama by sushila,kurichindivaana by sushila and young s.p.b, and ofcourse muthyala moggu songs. oh how can we forget jeevithanamaruvalenu oke roju by ghantasala and p. susheela
  
  
• From: Velgean (@ 61.11.79.131) on: Sat Nov 2 22:22:28 EST 2002
  
  Will any one tell me about a rare Tamil film song of the 1950s " Kayillai Kaniyum Illai, Kaniyillai Kayum Illam ' in the Tamil Film
  "Aalukku oru veedu" (each one house). I will be happy if you will send an eMail direct to
  velgean@msn.com
  
  
• From: Velgean (@ 61.11.79.131) on: Sat Nov 2 22:38:33 EST 2002
  
  
  The tune of the song "Malligai Poo Jathi Roja" from the Gemini movie "Raji En Kanmani" (Composer-Hanumantha Rao) is based upon the spanish classical "LA PALOMA" which is a very popular song not only in Spain but all over south America and wherever spanish music is appreciated. In fact spanish tunes are more akin to Indian film music. The "Thulluvadore elamai" MGR song is purely based upon a spanish Matador tune. If any one wants a Paraguay rendering of LA PALOMA , please ak.
  
  
• From: Saravanan (@ 213.42.1.172) on: Sun Nov 3 07:54:46 EST 2002
  
  Yes, Velgean,you are right. I too remember learning La Paloma at school.
  
  

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