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Yesterday - Illayarajah Today - A.R. Rahman Tomorrow - Yuvan Shankar Raja

Topic started by Pras (@ 66.185.84.71) on Sat Jan 25 08:43:29 EST 2003.
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Who Do You Think Is The Yesterday, Today, Tomorrow MD of TFM?

I think its:
Yesterday - Illayarajah
Today - A.R. Rahman
Tomorrow - Yuvan Shankar Raja

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Responses:

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• From: MusicIsLife (@ 170.146.91.6) on: Thu Jul 31 11:10:06 EDT 2003
  
  N. Teja,
  It is now understandable that you convince yourself for the recycled tunes and cannot appreciate originality, way to go dude or (dudy).
  
  
• From: MusicIsLife (@ 170.146.91.6) on: Thu Jul 31 11:31:34 EDT 2003
  
  Sreeni,
  You have a lot of time in hand!!! surely you must be a consultant..
  
  
• From: Jag (@ 35.9.26.160) on: Thu Jul 31 11:51:45 EDT 2003
  
  Sreeni,
  Oh I get it, at the end of first interlude. People in the forum are really well listened lot, so have no qualms about their musical sense or taste or knowledge. Don't you find it silly to accuse IR for copying only that piece to include it inbetween his amazing interludes. I will give you my 100% claim that it just a big COINCIDENCE, not the kind that ARR claims. My god man, even Boys has a lifted vocal from Eminem's song. Do you ever acknowledge originality and creativity?
  
  "On several occasions, I have heard music too new and startling to like instantaneously, but I grew to love it after the passage of some time. Sometimes the brain needs to acclimatise itself to a piece of music, especially if it's complex, before you can truly appreciate its qualities. "
  
  In what language are people trying to tell you the same thing? Have you heard Hey Ram's music?
  
  BTW have you heard the saying that "the majority is usually wrong", just look at the election results to prove this. 90% people who say they like ARR's music say that because they have not even heard 1% of IR's music. IR's entry into Hindi movies was not pathetic as you seem to think. So u want a musician to lose his identity and start scoring for popular taste. He IS scoring for popular taste, unfortunately there is some amount of knowledge required to understand classic art.
  Where were you when IR's "Thendral vanthu " came, Swamiji(an old DFer) did not even know what known genre of music that song belonged to, I don't know myself. Sometimes I don't venture to listen to his classical pieces, just for the fear of sacriliege I might be doing by not appreciating subtleties. I am trying to learn WCM and Indian Classical music nuances to appreciate his music better.
  And, I don't listen to IR's music casually. Two reasons:
  
  1) It is an insult to Saraswathi Devi to disrespect works of art
  2) I want to see what I missed in my last listening
  
  "The problem is with people who unctuously parade their tears-stained faces, as if to emphasize that others are somehow deficient in human emotions and therefore their opinions
  are of no moment - while all it proves is that some are more prone to be crybabies than others."
  
  Have you heard the term Ananda Bhashpam, meaning tear of joy. Indeed buddy, there are people who don't value human emotions as much. That is why we have so much suffering in the world nowadays.
  
  
  Reasoned arguments take time? No. They take logic and facts. The words themselves have no power attached to them, its only the truth in them that is more important.
  
  
  
• From: k (@ 192.138.150.249) on: Thu Jul 31 12:55:35 EDT 2003
  
  Sreeni..I hope you are not really trying to undermine the achievements and genius of IR. I hope it is just an over enthusiasm to make people appreciate other MDs as well.
  IR remains unparalled and unequaled in his achievement in film music. This does not mean ARR or anybody else is bad. But he has set the standards for his successors to shoot for.
  If you are talking about beats, it is the indian system of taalam which is the most sophisticated in the world (ask Zakir Hussain ). Then why are the new MDs (including YSR) shopping for samples/loops in foreign countries ?
  If you are looking for melody, again Indian system of raagams is the most advanced technique/framework for building melodies !!!
  If you are talking about written notations..who is the most ardent patron of this ?
  If you are looking for harmony/texture western classical music is the most advanced in the world. Who is the most ardent patron of this ?
  Now..just grab a bottle of your favorite beverage, relax for a while, think a lot and write when you are in a calm mood !!!
  (BTW, man..you really dont know what IRs music is all about..you should stick to talking about the virtues of the new MDs)
  
  
• From: j (@ 65.50.164.54) on: Thu Jul 31 13:32:36 EDT 2003
  
  hey guys
  your guys are saying Tomorrow - Yuvan Shankar Raja it;s not yus is not going to come tomorow
  think a.r.rahman has a 4 nal awared does ysr has it thinks guyssssssssssssss
  i think a.r.rahman man is best music dir
  aslo you don't know about boys sound let's wait with boys u all gus put ur hareds on head a.r.rahman spend lot of times in the boys ysr not going to make this kind of sound
  
  
• From: kum (@ 65.211.3.40) on: Thu Jul 31 13:38:50 EDT 2003
  
  Thats nice post Jag. Especially the last two paragraphs are 100% true.
  
  
• From: rajasaranam (@ 210.214.128.182) on: Thu Jul 31 14:05:57 EDT 2003
  
  sreeni,
  
  it nice to see u agian after u left irritated by my tamil post in the other forum.well wats ur mother tongue, english?????
  reading ur posts i come to understand taht ur a person who cuts across all cultures and barriers and accept watever is accepted by majority of the people.
  try to understand that majority of people hav never accepted ARR. and its only english speaking indians, who claim themselves to be superior over illiterate indians. the yuppie ungsters who base their aims and lifestyle in american way. the people who hav accepted globalization as the way of life. the money minded who doesnt care for humanity unless its given prominent advertising like a ARR show for cancer. the people who fall for the MNCs projection of global culture [ their slogan - one world one culture]. are the true fans of ARR.
  the other category of people who like ARR are the ones who doesnt hav courage to defend their own culture and r cowards in nature and go by the views of so called upper rich elite. other than these categories i dont find any more ARR fans. how abt u????
  
  
• From: Sreeni (@ 203.56.247.153) on: Thu Jul 31 21:47:09 EDT 2003
  
  "IR's entry into Hindi movies was not pathetic as you seem to think"
  
  Please don't put words into my mouth. I have no opinions either way about IR's entry in HFM.
  
  "In what language are people trying to tell you the same thing? Have you heard Hey Ram's music? "
  
  Please don't take that superior tone with me. Your conviction that everyone should share your tastes is arrogant and annoying. I shall think whatever I want of Hey Ram. If you believe that it is the second coming of Mozart, then keep it to yourself.
  
  "BTW have you heard the saying that "the majority is usually wrong", just look at the election results to prove this."
  
  So, do you propose totalitarian or monarchical forms of government? If you claim higher standards of taste than the public, then you have severed your connection with them and relinquished the right to comment on them. It is a convenient means of avoiding the responsibility of engaging with the public and is often used, I notice, by failures. The greatest geniuses mould the tastes of the audience - they don't treat it with scorn.
  
  "Reasoned arguments take time? No. They take logic and facts."
  
  Huh? What else is reason but a combination of logic and facts? The problem, once again, is that you regard your tastes as facts: IR is God, you are redeemed for realising this, the rest of us are damned for disagreeing. When will the likes of you realise that we live in a pluralistic world, where everyone must be allowed their personal likes and dislikes, their own lifestyles and religions?
  
  
• From: Sreeni (@ 203.56.247.153) on: Thu Jul 31 22:18:21 EDT 2003
  
  "If you are looking for melody, again Indian system of raagams is the most advanced technique/framework for building melodies !!!
  If you are talking about written notations..who is the most ardent patron of this ?
  If you are looking for harmony/texture western classical music is the most advanced in the world. Who is the most ardent patron of this ? "
  
  Are you saying that only IR uses these? Every MD worth his salt from the very beginning of the Indian film industry has made use of all these - including ARR. Every MD swears by Mozart, Beethoven and the rest.
  
  The textures offered by the traditional Western Orchestra are totally outstripped by the advent of synthesizers and electronic sound-manipulation. Modern composers - yes, even composers of so-called contemporary classical, like Harrison Birtwistle, Kaaija Saariaho - use such manipulation in their own works nowadays. Modern pop composers like ARR and Hollywood film composers like Cliff Martinez, Zimmer also do the same.
  
  You're twisting my mentions of harmony and written notation etc. to support your worship of IR. If you read my post, what I was saying was that there are different standards that apply in different contexts - I don't like the tyranny of one approach only. For example, jazz improvisers might abhor the idea of notation, while certain modern composers are attempting to update the existing notation. To each his own principles is what I say.
  
  I see that you have chosen certain traditions as the world's "best", very conveniently the same traditions that IR's work relies upon. But I hate this exclusionary style of thinking. For example, African polyrhythms are very complex and interesting and I don't see why they shouldn't be used in conjunction with Carnatic thalams and so on.
  
  I'll talk to Zakir as soon as I meet him next. Why donn't you ask Taufiq Quershi and Trilok Gurtu why they're collaborating with African percussionists?
  
  
• From: MADDY (@ 203.94.218.91) on: Thu Jul 31 22:23:57 EDT 2003
  
  coming back to the topic, nobody thought that ARR will come up with such interesting sounds in Boys...even a hardcore fan like me did not expect him to rise again in Tamil( i never feel ARR will be out in hindi).... Dating and Girlfriend are rocking chennai.... so YSR's target still becomes stiffer with ARR raising the bar.... hope YSR comes up with a punching album in diwali to neutralise ARR's rise....competition is hotting up isn't it? but this is just for no.1 slot and not for ppl's choice, it is still ARR no doubts...
  
  
• From: xml (@ 128.148.68.110) on: Thu Jul 31 22:24:15 EDT 2003
  
  Sreeni
  
  Atlast what can you do.You can fill up this page.Nothing else. Since ARR is a copycat he lost from the field.Dont dream yourself, now ARR is nowhere.
  You must be knowing his recent albums parasuram, udaya,kadalvirus etc..
  
  ARR is looking for some best album to copy from his competators. His ability is very very poor even for copying the western music. I hope he will soon copy for the next album.
  
  But I dont want to wait till he copy because it will take many years. I can simply listern from HJ,VS,YSR etc..
  
  But you can wait. Hihihihi
  
  
• From: Paran (@ 203.123.16.4) on: Thu Jul 31 22:26:21 EDT 2003
  
  Dear Sreeni,
  you can go on and write even a thesis here on why ARR should not be downgraded...but at the end of the say...all these ppl wanna say is that
  IR > ARR (that is true in the matter of age).
  
  Any..ARR fan will never disgrace IR..but almost(ALMOST) every IR fan will/must disgrace ARR (that's their "vow" i think)....
  
  so...don't waste ur time pal
  
  
  

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