Raga of song please
Topic started by Gopal Prasad (@ greed.cs.umass.edu) on Sat May 17 07:42:45 EDT 1997.
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- From: Sindhuja (@ 203.197.176.157)
on: Sun Jul 28 13:33:37 EDT 2002
Hi all!
I have something interesting-there is a 7 day "rAgotsava" being conducted here.Each day the performer selects a paricular meLakarthA and elaborates on it,and then demonstrates it's janya rAgAs too.Today was the 1st day and I went for it.It was chakravAham by R.K.Srikanthan.Learnt a few new rAgAs.For those who don't know:it seems this rAgam was called "Toya veghavAhini" by Venkatamahi,and acc. to the Dikshitar school.
Among janya rAgAs,he sang malayamArutham,BindumAlini,rasAli(S R M P D N S,
S D P M R S),kalAvathi(not to be confused with the hindustani equivalent of our valaji.this kalavathi is:S R M P D S,S D P M G S R S),valaji.
then there was 1 more rAgA called veghavAhini,which acc. to tyAgarAja,is a janyam of chakravAham.It is defined by the foll. swarAs-
S R G M P D N D S,S N D P M G R S.As we see it's very similar to the mELam itself,but the ArO is vakram.
The remaining programmes include rAgAs MMG,KaraharapriyA,natabhairavi,ShankarAbharaNam,
harikAmbodhi and thodi by Neiveli SanthanagOpalan,Sanjay Subramanyan,Smt.Ranjani(dunno who),mallAdi bros.,Priya sisters,T.N.SeshagOpAlan resp..
pl. tell me if I shud continue posting the review of each concert here,or is it kinda' digression here?
- From: Peter Pan (@ 170.140.250.192)
on: Sun Jul 28 18:43:21 EDT 2002
Sindhuja,
Of course, Go ahead by all means!
You will be doing a great favor for people like us who are unable to attend such interesting events.
Thanks in advance.
- From: Sindhuja (@ 203.197.176.70)
on: Sun Jul 28 20:32:10 EDT 2002
Peter Pan,tnx..Shall do the same.
BTW,I forgot to add on 2 things-ChakravAham is a morning rAgA and malayamArutham brings out karuNA rasA.
There were many new(atleast to me,new!)compositions like a jathiswaram and a varNam in chakravAham.
- From: Ram (@ 63.161.25.156)
on: Sun Jul 28 21:39:27 EDT 2002
Sindhu,
Thanks for updates....U very well know how useful it will be for people like me to know the emotional aspects of a ragam...pls keep give us the info...
once again thanx for the updates
- From: Sundar Atre (@ 130.203.168.29)
on: Sun Jul 28 21:54:47 EDT 2002
Sindhuja, can you add the songs performed? Thanks. Discussion can get initiated on TFMs on each case - takes care of the digression issue.
- From: Ram (@ 63.161.25.156)
on: Sun Jul 28 23:50:33 EDT 2002
Going back to Samudrapriya/Sumanesaranjini,
I think "Kannamma Kathal ennum kavityhai solladi" is based on Samudrapriya...
Here is and interesting site hosted by my friend Balaji...article no. 5 discusses abt the song
http://www.geocities.com/lessonsfromraja/
- From: Sindhuja (@ 203.200.5.57)
on: Mon Jul 29 07:38:57 EDT 2002
Sundar Atre,
the songs were-1)jathiswaram 2)varNam by pattanam Subramanya Iyer-jalajAkshi the foll. r krithis/keerthanams:3)Yedula bro by TyAgarAjA
4)Sugunamule-tyAgarAjA,5)VeeNA pustaka dhAriNi-Dikshitar (in the rAgA tOya veghavAhini(same as chakravAham)) 6)nAmanavini by karoor DakshiNAmoorthi/Garbhapuri 7)janArdanam by vAsudEvAchAr by MuthaiyAh bhAgavathar
Now,the janya rAgAs-
1)manasAyatulO in malayamArutham 2)Yenthamudho in BindumAlini 3)aparAdamula in rasALi
4)challaga in vEghavAhini 5)ennadajoochi in kalAvathi 6)jAlandhara in valaji.
I think all the above(i.e the songs in the janya rAgAs)r by tyAgarAjA except the last one,which is by muthaiyAh bhAgavathar
- From: Ram (@ )
on: Mon Jul 29 11:25:55 EDT 2002
IR,
romba naaLa oru doubt-u!!!Is there ne criterion to decide the parent raga of janya raga....for example Hamsanadam is a subset of kalyani adn neethimathi...then y shudn't we say it is a janya of kalyani?
- From: Sindhuja (@ 203.197.176.138)
on: Mon Jul 29 13:17:31 EDT 2002
Ram,C-Pfrom OR ,hope u don't mind(IR,;-))
From: IR (@ 38.220.167.208) on: Tue Jun 12 14:19:20 EDT 2001
rams - C & P from old responses - to answer your question - hope you do not mind :-)
From: MS (@ 129.252.23.185) on: Sat Jul 29 17:01:09 EDT 2000
I have one question about these janya ragas. Mohanam is janya of Sankarabaranam from books. But can it be considered a janya of KalyaaNi too ? or rephrasing the question in two ways:
(1) what do we mean when we say a ragam is a janyam of another ? what are the criteria
(2) Can there be a multiple inheretance ? :-) The swaras of mohanam are there in kalyaaNi too. SO where is the difference ?
From: IR (@ 1cust34.tnt30.bos2.da.uu.net) on: Sat Jul 29 17:32:08 EDT 2000
MS, let me try and explain this.. :)
The general rule for identifying the janaka raga of a janya raga is:
In the 72 melakartha scheme, the first possible melakartha ragam with the same notes is considered to be the parent raga.
BTW, Mohanam is a janya of 28th Melakartha Harikhambodhi.
This should explain why Mohanam is not considered to be a janya of either Shankarabharanam (29th mela) or Kalyani (65th Mela).
This is exactly the reason why Revathi is considered to be a Janya of Thodi (8) and not Nataka Priya (10) :-)
- From: Sindhuja (@ 203.197.176.138)
on: Mon Jul 29 13:30:33 EDT 2002
BTW,today's concert-raga:MMG,by Neiveli santhAnagOpAlan.
It wasn't very informative-just a stereotype 3-hour kutcheri.But the music was of course brilliant.
He started with lambOdhara,then tulasidaLa-MMG,sri mahA ganapathi-gowla,hiranmayi-lalitha,paramapurusha-lalithapanchamam,durusukha-sAveri,ragam tAnam pallavi in MMG(that reminds me-even yesterday,there was a ragam tanam pallavi in chakravAham),he concluded this with kalpana swarams in more janyams of MMG-jaganmOhini,megharanjani,paras.
After this was an oothukAdu in nAdanAmakriyA,then there were 2 utsava sampradAya krithis,1 in bowLi,the other in NNMK again.
There was this person,who did the announcements,felicitation,arrangements and stuff-he added a few words abt. the raga-it seems though malahari,sAveri r janyas of MMG,they're much older than MMG itself.b4 PurandaradAsA,kharaharapriya was considered the simplest rAgA for beginners,it was later that MMG was considered even simpler(for reasons obvious-we all know:no swaram in this rAgA overlaps,each swaram is unique)
And,MMG,like malayamArutham is also a morning rAgA.
Goooooooshhhh!someone,pl. start something on this,to do with TFM.I feel this is too much digression.(but enna onnum sollAdeengappa,ellAm ungala kettu daan pannaren! ;-) )
- From: Ram (@ 134.121.73.124)
on: Mon Jul 29 14:09:31 EDT 2002
Sindhuja,
Thanx for digging in the info from OR's and for the update on MMG...is Bhairav hindustani equivalent of MMG...I know Bhairavi is Hindustani eq. of Sindhu Bhairavi
- From: Sindhuja (@ 203.197.176.228)
on: Mon Jul 29 14:14:02 EDT 2002
Welcome Ram.
I forgot to add this-quite a surprise,actually-he sang Seethamma mAyammA in Lalitha!!
He said,"acc. to an authentic book,this song is in Lalitha"!!
But I have a doubt-Seethamma mAyammA is popularly sung in vasanthA,and thus does not have S R G prayOgam.But is it ok to sing Lalitha too without this prayOgam?(coz as far as I noticed,the only diff. in the way he sang it was,in the dhaivatam-no other change)
- From: Neels (@ 64.238.117.125)
on: Mon Jul 29 14:20:22 EDT 2002
Ram,
Yes, Bhairav is MMG.
I am reproducing a posting in the same thread:
From: Peter Pan (@ 170.140.253.102) on: Sat Jul 20 23:51:15 EDT 2002
Sundar,
'JAgO MOhan PyArE' is Bhairav (Carnatic equivalent is MAyA mALava GowLa).
There's 'ammA roTi de' - a Lata song from SansAr (Music was by Emani Shankar Shastri & MD Parthasarathy). I think it was a remake of AVM's vAzhkkai *ing VyjayanthimAla.
Another very popular Bhairav song in HFM is 'mOhE bhool gayE sAvariyA'.
There are many many songs in this rAga in TFM though. In fact IR himself must have tuned in a couple of dozens! Here are a few:
1. UyirE uyirE urugAthey (Oruvar vAzhum Alayam)
2. Madura Marikkozhundu vAsam (Enga Ooru pAttukkAran)
3. KAdhal kavithaigaL Padithidum nEram (gOpura vAsaliley)
4. Kuyila Pudichi kooNdil Adachi (Chinna Thambi)
5. Nandi kondA (Maniratnam's GeetAnjali-Telugu)
6. PoongathavE (NizhalgaL)
7. Thennan Geetrum Thendral kAttrum
8. MAsaRu pOnnE varuga (Thevar Magan)
9. rAma nAmam oru vEdamE (Shri rAghavendra)
10. Enna pAttu pAda Enna tALam pOda (POnnu Oorukku pudusu?)
- From: Ram (@ 134.121.73.124)
on: Mon Jul 29 14:46:57 EDT 2002
Sindhuja,
I have thyagaraja Kritis book,
It says "Seethamma Mayamma" is in raga Lalitha
- From: Ram (@ 134.121.73.124)
on: Mon Jul 29 14:50:32 EDT 2002
Neels,
Thanx for the clarification
- From: Ram (@ 134.121.73.124)
on: Mon Jul 29 15:18:07 EDT 2002
"Ottagathai kattikko" kku artham yaarukkavathu theryumaa?...Ottagamna husband nu oru meaning irukkaamE,Meyyalumaa?:)
- From: Ram (@ 134.121.73.124)
on: Mon Jul 29 15:24:11 EDT 2002
I'm sorry for the above posting I typed it in the wrong window...thayavu koornthu mannichukkunga
- From: IR (@ 38.220.167.208)
on: Mon Jul 29 16:12:22 EDT 2002
Sindhuja - keep up the good work - this is very relevant info to this thread :-) So dont worry.
and also Ram is right about Seethamam maayamma - it was originally believed to be set in Lalitha - am not sure who/when ppl started singing this in Vasantha. It is very interesting to learn that NSG is singing this in Lalitha because the Lalitha tune/notation was said to be extinct... may be he tuned it himself again in Lalitha?
- From: IR (@ 38.220.167.208)
on: Mon Jul 29 16:13:02 EDT 2002
Ram - mail kku reply anuppidaren - no kOchukkax :)
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