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Is Rahman Village, Carnatic and Background Musically Challenged?

Topic started by Bhagavathar (@ 209.43.73.97) on Sun Oct 29 01:31:55 EDT 2000.
All times in EST +10:30 for IST.

A great music director should be known for his/her trick on all trades when it comes to music. But AR Rahman is good only in recording crystal clear music. As far other areas are concerned he had failed miserably. Listen to all his village oriented songs same type of digital music. Even Deva and SAR do better job than him. What about BGM he plays the songs repeatedly. Deva does a better job atleast copying from Titanic or BraveHeart. What happened to songs based out of Raagas there also he lacks knowledge. What about his singing style man. Drs recommend his "Vandemataram" to clear Constibation than bringing out patriotism.

Discuss this fake, self promoting and copying star and remove his masquerade.

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Responses:

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• From: Udhaya (@ 207.218.69.9) on: Tue Oct 31 17:52:27 EST 2000
  
  Bagavathar,
  Again, you're changing your criteria did he revolutionize it? But yes, by his very recording, his orchestration, and approach to a given ragam he revolutionized it. Azhagaana Ratchasiyae and Chinna Kannan are similar? There's more similarity between "Thalaiyai Kuniyum" and "Azhagaana" because they both use the same raagam,"Reethi Gowlaa" is it? This I remember reading in the forum.
  
  Suppudu made that statement in Kumudham around the time "Ennavalae" came out. I don't memorize Kumudham dates. Search it for yourself if you care. If you choose not to believe it, fine by me. I'm not writing a thesis to give bibliographic information. You're the one making baseless, shifty claims and banking on your bias to bail you out. Sorry, it doesn't. You haven't given a single proof to back your claim. If ARR's Carnatic Raagam based songs were good to hear, then he is not Carnatic music challenged is he? Your own words disprove your claim.
  
  Well, this is more than enough time I wanted to spend on an expendable thread. Time to listen to some music.
  
  
• From: bb (@ 216.217.80.201) on: Tue Oct 31 17:52:39 EST 2000
  
  Between 1961 and 1968, traveled with brother and mentor Mr Pavalar Varadarajan and two more brothers, and performed 20,000 music concerts across the the length and breadth of the Indian states of Tamil Nadu, Kerala and the Megalopolis Bombay.
  saw this in raaja.com, official site-lle ippadi thappu informationA... hmmm...
  
  
• From: rajaG (@ 208.24.179.211) on: Tue Oct 31 17:55:41 EST 2000
  
  BhagavatharvaaL: namma piLLaiyandaan Dilip irukkaanOlyO, athaan Rehmaan, Rehmaan, nu ippO oorE pEsikkaradhEy, avanaththaan solrEn- avan evvaLavu azhagaa modhalla oru shaNmugapriyaa la sruthi bEdham senju adhukkappuram ennavaLela kondu pOi niruththinaan paaththELO. ippdi reethigowlai ellaam orEy paattu, naataikkurinji ellaam (naduvula sahanaa vandhaalum) paal vadiyum nu adam pidippaaLO. adhuvum vishayam therinja maadhiri pEr vachchindirukkira neengaLEy ippdi thaththu piththunu pEsinaa, saadhaaraNa paamara janam (adhaan folk song a thEdindu indha thread kku varaaLEy avaaLaththaan solrEn) ellaam enga pOvaa?
  
  
• From: Udhaya (@ 207.218.69.9) on: Tue Oct 31 17:59:01 EST 2000
  
  Music Fan,
  Negative response to any feelings from an IR fan? Give me a break, man. You will go around misquoting me and I have to do the dirty job of setting the record straight? That sounds fair! Don't respond, fine. Don't misread, misrepresent my statements either.
  
  
• From: rajaG (@ 208.24.179.211) on: Tue Oct 31 17:59:20 EST 2000
  
  bb: I wrote about this to aruLaracan (20000 enna oru majic number? Both Wilt Chamberlain and IR have fascination for it:-)) I think Raajangahm carried it (and has probably corrected it now).
  
  
• From: Ganga (@ 129.253.193.7) on: Tue Oct 31 17:59:34 EST 2000
  
  fan, bb, IR oru concert paNNaa 100 concert paNNaa maadhiriyO ennavO?
  
  
• From: vazhi pokkan (@ 63.100.100.141) on: Tue Oct 31 18:01:01 EST 2000
  
  Ganga oruthar ketta 100 per ketta mariyum irukanume:-)
  
  
• From: bb (@ 216.217.80.201) on: Tue Oct 31 18:03:18 EST 2000
  
  rajag, i quoted them after going to the site just now:)
  
  
• From: aruLaracan (@ 134.124.160.10) on: Tue Oct 31 18:16:51 EST 2000
  
  rAjAjI:
  eppappA nI enkittE chonnE? i don't remember.
  
  bAlAji: thanks for pointing this out. i personally think it's a typo (and i am ashamed that this escaped my scrutiny).
  
  now should i use another flame baiter? :-))))
  
  udhaya:
  does the red violin have that beautiful violin adagio (in G minor?) by albinoni?
  
  
• From: Manam nondhavan (@ 208.154.130.13) on: Tue Oct 31 18:19:57 EST 2000
  
  bb and others who are making fun of the number "20000"
  
  If you guys think this number is ridiculous, do you know the actual number of concerts that IR did. In fact, I believe that raaja.com has posted IR's original Resume and this number should be correct.
  
  Summa statistics theriyaama innothoruroda postingapathi vaiyadikkavendam.
  
  Appa, indha bb and other youngsters who write here exhibit so much thimir in their postings.
  
  bb, just because you host this site, do not think too much of yourself. I have seen you insulting IR wherever possible and I care a damn about your posting.
  
  If you say that the number is wrong in the official site, then why is that it has not been removed from their pages yet. Think man, before you make any stupid posting.
  
  arularacan:
  As usual enna indha tfm pageukku jalrava ;-)!
  
  
• From: Ganga (@ 129.253.193.7) on: Tue Oct 31 18:32:15 EST 2000
  
  manam vendhavan, (ivvaLavu nErathula venthirukkumE adhuthaan),
  summaa statistics theriyaama posting pOdalaamaa?
  If IR had done 20000 concert at the rate of 1 concert a day then it should take 20000 days. correctaa? pOttu mudichutteengaLaa? Very good.
  20000 days means 54.8 years.(providing allowance for leap years). Correctaa? eppadeennu theriyalaiyaa? It is 20000/365. Which means IR started doing concert right after his birth and was doing it till his 55 th year. OK. That is lot of fun info. But not statistics. Have a good time.
  
  
• From: Swamiji - Kancheepuram municipality (@ 198.102.112.201) on: Tue Oct 31 18:36:32 EST 2000
  
  Theres so much release of negative energy in these threads...pasnagalaa, sanda podatheenga. Who cares if IR or ARR is better than the other? Do we care? Or is it necessary for life on planet earth? Music is for our enjoyment, not for our misfortune illaya? Please dont point your criticisms on everyone all the time. Being a critic all the time is not what everyone would like to see. Its bad for your health also. Yaaro edo music podaraanga...nambalum kettutu povome? If you people are so talented why not u all compose music? naanum kekkaren okva?
  One more thing, here the fights are always on other people that come here to post their views. Poor people. They dont understand that they are bound to be driven to madness soon!
  kozhandaigalaa, please dont give this IR or ARR thing too much of an importance. If u think carefully, u will realize that this is only a waste of time!
  
  
• From: rajaG (@ 208.24.179.211) on: Tue Oct 31 18:39:18 EST 2000
  
  aruL: ivvalavu seekiraththula maradhiyaa? There was a thread which read something like "Raajaangham- Official Site of Ilayaraja" started right around the time the home page for Raajaangham was created. I posted there the inaccuracy about "20000 Concerts". And I distinctly remember, you responding to me (in your special rAjAji way of addressing) that you will look into it. Personally, I don't care about it but, I don't want to come across as sombody who misquotes.
  
  aNNaachchi Ganga! kampooter thappu sollumaa? oru vELa 20,000 meyaalumEy kareetaa irukkumaa?:-)
  
  
• From: vazhi pokkan (@ 63.100.100.141) on: Tue Oct 31 18:40:54 EST 2000
  
  swamiji vibhoothi kungumam enga vangikanum?
  
  
• From: Swamiji (@ 198.102.112.201) on: Tue Oct 31 18:42:05 EST 2000
  
  Ganga kannu, noothula sonnalum adu s*****la adicha maadiri sonna. Manam nondhavan, just for fun. Take it easy!
  
  
• From: bb (@ 216.217.80.201) on: Tue Oct 31 18:42:23 EST 2000
  
  aruL, red violin-lle corigliano scores mattum thaan irukku-nnu nenaikkarEn.
  
  
• From: Swamiji (@ 198.102.112.201) on: Tue Oct 31 18:43:37 EST 2000
  
  vazhi pokkan, Rs.10 vettu, archanaiye sejuduvom...enna natchathiram?
  
  
• From: aruLaracan (@ 134.124.160.10) on: Tue Oct 31 18:45:45 EST 2000
  
  :-))) there is a difference between jalra and accepting once failings. in 7 years if ir did 20000 concerts this means he did approximately 10
  concerts a day, which is, to say the least, unbelievable (you should say this unbelievable as namba mudiyavillai illai illai a la sivAji :-)) ). if we
  find that that's the number, then we will also find what is meant by "concert" in that page. if the work concert included any maraththadi
  performance (for an audience of, say 10 people), then this number 20000 is conceivable. raaja and his brothers used to perform regularly for
  the communists (before and after any meeting) and sometimes they used to travel from villages to villages to perform more than once a day.
  anyways,... btw, manam nondhavan, if you are who i think you are, you know more about raaja than me. if you who i think you are, you better
  call me or you will be in trouble soon :-)))
  
  rAjAjI:
  my gnAbagamaRathi is ulagapprasidhdham!!! btw, nInga yAru? :-))))))
  
  
• From: Ganga (@ 129.253.193.7) on: Tue Oct 31 18:45:49 EST 2000
  
  yov saamiji, Oramaa okkaanthukinu manthram solluviyaa. atha uttupputtu ravusu uttukkinu.... nee yEmbaa intha saakkadaiyila uLRE?
  
  thalaivaa raasaasee, edhirkkatchiyaaLarin thiRamaiyaana koothai (kootrai) paditheeraa? avar 20000 enRu solluvaar. thappu enRu solbavargaL thaan ethanai enRu kaNdupiduthu solla vENdumaam.
  naan oru 30000 enRu sollalaam enRu irukkiREn.
  um abipraayam enna?
  
  
• From: vazhi pokkan (@ 63.100.100.141) on: Tue Oct 31 18:46:14 EST 2000
  
  swamiji IR ARR perla oru archanai pannungo. Ammai appan than ulagam ulgamthan ammaiappan maathiri. enakku pannina ennaa IR-ARR ku pannina ennaa. Daily avala ninaikathava irukalo. Purai yeri yeri irumal ninna padillayam.Ulagam kshemama irukanumna IR-ARR nanna irukanum:-))
  
  
• From: Poyya poyya pokke (@ 208.154.130.13) on: Tue Oct 31 18:48:58 EST 2000
  
  Who cares for all the postings here? After all, you all end up talking indecently about IR and his fans.
  
  This forum is a dirtbag and a trash. It is no use discussing anything in this forum. Inga ellam ezhudharudhu romba useless vaichavadal gumbal. Inga ezhudhina nalla irukkaravangaluyum paithiyam akkidiveengu.
  
  Ganga:
  Don't you think you did a very good calculation. Your suggestions are not welcome.
  
  
• From: Swamiji (@ 198.102.112.201) on: Tue Oct 31 18:51:08 EST 2000
  
  Ganga kannu, manthiram solla thaan inga vanden. Adu enna maayamo theriyala, saakadai aruvi maadiri kottinathu. Vizhundutten! pasangalaa edukku paa inda 20000 vambu? vittu thallunga. number sollarathukku minnadi yosichu paakanum, illai Ganga amma kitta kekkanum seriya?
  
  

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