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Is Rahman Village, Carnatic and Background Musically Challenged?

Topic started by Bhagavathar (@ 209.43.73.97) on Sun Oct 29 01:31:55 EDT 2000.
All times in EST +10:30 for IST.

A great music director should be known for his/her trick on all trades when it comes to music. But AR Rahman is good only in recording crystal clear music. As far other areas are concerned he had failed miserably. Listen to all his village oriented songs same type of digital music. Even Deva and SAR do better job than him. What about BGM he plays the songs repeatedly. Deva does a better job atleast copying from Titanic or BraveHeart. What happened to songs based out of Raagas there also he lacks knowledge. What about his singing style man. Drs recommend his "Vandemataram" to clear Constibation than bringing out patriotism.

Discuss this fake, self promoting and copying star and remove his masquerade.

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• From: kiru (@ 192.138.149.4) on: Tue Oct 31 15:21:46 EST 2000
  
  "my statement of msv is king of melody is much better than your statement of saying i want to bring down arr"
  Fan..what are you talking ? Did I say, "I want to bring down ARR" !!
  
  
  "Kiru,
  I said "many here" don't listen to a variety of music. If you feel compelled to include yourself among this many, then please do try not to be offended, okay?"
  Udhaya..Well..no more arguments from me, Sir.
  
  
• From: Trend (@ 216.68.113.227) on: Tue Oct 31 15:25:08 EST 2000
  
  Music Fan,
  
  Neenga sollrathu "nee tamizhana ille indiana?" appadinnu ketkara mathiri irukku.Andha mathiri debate ellam vendaame.
  
  man valathoda kedaitha padangalukku man valathoda ARR music pottirukkaaru.He has to sacrifice that when the film is made is made in 2 or 3 languages.
  
  Trend
  
  
• From: fan (@ 216.190.255.35) on: Tue Oct 31 15:29:11 EST 2000
  
  kiru,
  I spoke in your langauge.
  this is the same way i felt when you posted about me. Unwanted talks.
  
  Musicfan,
  I think the advice you posted applies to others only. frankly I dont want to go into guju, bangra, bhojpuri form of music, arr does good music, as of today he is great. Thats all.
  
  I take a timeout.
  
  
• From: Diwakar (@ 206.175.176.2) on: Tue Oct 31 15:35:49 EST 2000
  
  
  "Srikanth,
  I thought we are only discussing tamil folk here.
  
  come on the title reads village!...not villages of tamilnadu or tamil folk music. "
  
  Hey! If we are splitting hairs, let us go the whole hog. This is the TAMIL FILM MUSIC Page Discussion Forum, is it not? Let us not stop at the title for the thread ; take up the entire site instead. And then the argument holds no water.
  
  
• From: Music fan (@ 208.154.130.13) on: Tue Oct 31 15:40:26 EST 2000
  
  Udhaya:
  I am not into personal attacks here. Well, you have chided me in the past and also continuing to do so which does not affect me at all. All I have is passion for IR's music and nothing is going to change that ever. I can see that you have passion for ARR's music and I respect your opinion.
  
  My point is, your earlier posting gives the opinion that people who listen to only a particular person are dumb listeners. It is unfair to state that in a public forum where people have different tastes in music.
  
  
• From: fan (@ 216.190.255.35) on: Tue Oct 31 15:43:48 EST 2000
  
  diwaker, I thought i should not post,
  onga arugument was very very funny,
  how many times people have discussed western classical music in newtfmpage.com :))
  
  
• From: Trend (@ 216.68.113.227) on: Tue Oct 31 15:44:26 EST 2000
  
  Diwakar,
  
  Shouldn't we take into consideration when the MD is supposed to compose for non-Tamil audiences too?
  
  Even in TFM we've had other folk songs on numerous occassions and believe it or not it has become part of TFM.Namma music vandharai vazhaveikkum music.-)
  
  Now defining which is tamil folk or not is by itself a task.
  
  Trend
  
  
• From: prakash (@ 193.113.185.164) on: Tue Oct 31 16:02:31 EST 2000
  
  all of guys have fallen hook ,line and sinker for this bhagavathar chap's provocative postings-this thread is now beginning remind me of tamilnadu assembly.
  fan,i apologise if i have hurt you with my reference to your credentials-no offense intended!
  
  
• From: Athi (@ 136.182.2.222) on: Tue Oct 31 16:26:30 EST 2000
  
  Fan(Srikanth),
  
  While you are trying to analyze something,
  please don't try to make comparisons. This forum
  is for anyone who wants to write about tfm
  and the way you are referring to my name
  without any need, is certainly not in good taste.
  Your musical knowledge is appreciated but it
  doesn't mean that you should indulge in criticizing people who didn't think the way that
  you do.
  
  Please avoid attacking people personally just
  to get your points heard.
  
  The way things have been going on in this forum, anyone who doesn't like ARR's music,
  will think twice before writing anything as
  he will not be forgiven for that after that.
  
  Sorry for the digression folks .
  
  Athi
  
  
• From: sabesan (@ 63.203.255.254) on: Tue Oct 31 16:43:31 EST 2000
  
  Prakash, i would say TN Assembly is a little better than this :-)
  
  
• From: ithu koncham over (@ 207.188.29.253) on: Tue Oct 31 16:47:08 EST 2000
  
  Fan
  
  please refrain from naming people...........
  
  that was in bad taste
  
  
  
  
  
  
• From: fan (@ 216.190.255.35) on: Tue Oct 31 16:48:42 EST 2000
  
  Athi,
  I still remember how you used my name!..just for the sake!, I appreciate your posting, often but many dont follow it, Sorry if i had offended you, though i am still of the opinion the postings of bhagavathar are just like yours., illogical.
  others, Sorry for the digression folks .
  
  
  
  
• From: rajaG (@ 207.43.195.201) on: Tue Oct 31 16:50:14 EST 2000
  
  kOdhaa la irangaradhaa vEndaamaannu yOjanaiyaa irukku.......hmm....aasai yaara vittadhu?
  
  Some thoughts-
  
  1. Some singers have naturally folk-friendly voices - eg. Saahul Hameed, IR, Malaysia, Kollangudi karuppaayi, Ila Arun (Hindi/Rajasthaani), Malgadi Subha. Fans of melody singers like Rafi, SPB, KK etc will even suggest that the common undelying theme maybe partially a rustic nature to the voice and partially an 'untrained raw material'. Irrespective of the explanation, these singers generally do well in folk songs.
  
  2. Folk tunes stand alone as "folk tunes" and are only augmented by the rendition of the tune by a "folk voice". Kurukku ChiruththavalE is a folk tune though rendered by "trained" voices.
  
  3. MSV's thaazhaiyaam poo mudichchu's humming was totally inspired at the insistance of the producer from SDB's song from Sujatha. Don't nobody say thaazhaiyaam is not folk.
  
  4. ARR's nee kattum chElai, maanoothu mandhaiyilE, edhukku pondaatti enna suththi, are all examples of folk tunes. SPB's voice change for maanooththu was complimented by ARR himself in a Sun TV interview.
  
  5. What genre does 'raasaaththi ennusuru ennudhilla' fall under?
  
  
  
• From: Udhaya (@ 207.218.69.9) on: Tue Oct 31 16:56:59 EST 2000
  
  The fact that many of you won’t feel this satisfaction from different music is very sad to me.
  
  This is my original statement. From this how did you infer the following?
  
  My point is, your earlier posting gives the opinion that people who listen to only a particular person are dumb listeners. It is unfair to state that in a public forum where people have different tastes in music.
  
  Music Fan,
  I write a lot in order to clarify my views and avoid misinterpretations, still you manage to come up with wild inferences. Break this bad habit now. I speak for myself. I don't need you to unnecessarily put words in my mouth.
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
• From: fan (@ 216.190.255.35) on: Tue Oct 31 16:57:46 EST 2000
  
  athi,
  really sorry , plesae ignore, that was just out of frustration
  , should not have dragged you on the first, then should have not posted justifying it. I really apolgize.
  
  
  rajag,welcome back
  
  
  
• From: rajaG (@ 207.43.195.201) on: Tue Oct 31 17:02:59 EST 2000
  
  Another thought to ponder (I am sure somebody has already mentioned this, but I am too lazy to go to Old Responses and give accurate credit to the poster). If we go through the movies for which ARR has composed music in the last 3, 4 years where is the scope to include "maN vaasanai" paadalgaL?
  
  
• From: sabesan (@ 63.203.255.254) on: Tue Oct 31 17:10:40 EST 2000
  
  "man Vaasanai" paadalgal? how can ARR use IR's (movie) songs :-)
  
  
• From: Bhagavathar (@ 209.43.57.135) on: Tue Oct 31 17:39:39 EST 2000
  
  Udaya,
  
  The list of songs considered to be Carnatic Raagam based were good to hear no doubt about it but did he revolutionize ie., the question. If he scores music for Carnatic based movie like Shankarabaranam he will use digital music. I have a question so did Subbudu told u personally that he is unable to find the Raaga for Enavalae song. Give me the source and argue. Let me tell u have u listened to "Atho mega Uravallam" from Eramana Rojavae movie. Listen to that and listen to Enavalle then you can figure out from where ARR gets the inspiration (copying). Like wise
  "Azhagana Raschiyae" is a lift from Chinna Kannan Azhaikiran. "Kannamoochi Yennada" is lift from "Pal Vadiyum Mugam". ARR needs a source to come out with any type of music.
  
  That is why I still claim he is musically challenged.
  
  
  
• From: Music fan (@ 208.154.130.13) on: Tue Oct 31 17:44:21 EST 2000
  
  Trend:
  
  I am not saying that tamil music is greater than Hindi music etc. I am not into any fight here. All I am saying is that IR is an expert in giving tamil folk music than any other MD that TN has produced. The movie "karakattakkaran"has run 365 days in many a talkies of many villages in TN. That iss enough to prove his talent. I read in raaja.com, that before Raaja became an MD he had conducted 20,000 concerts in Tamil Nadu and had visited every nook and corner in Tamil Nadu. The nativity in his music serves proof for this.
  
  Udhaya:
  I do not like to respond to any of your postings at all. You always give a very negative response to any feelings from an IR fan.
  
  
• From: ena sola. (@ 216.190.255.35) on: Tue Oct 31 17:47:22 EST 2000
  
  Bhagavathar sir,
  you can reach subudu by calling
  1800-CAL-SUBS for futher clarification.
  You better check with him asap, else Udhaya will call him and manipulate the truth.
  
  
  
  
  
• From: bb (@ 216.217.80.201) on: Tue Oct 31 17:50:33 EST 2000
  
  Music Fan,
  20,000 / 365 = 54.8.
  dhinamum reNdu concert paNNinaa kooda 27 varusham aagum.. how do you believe in these hyperboles?
  
  

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