Topic started by naga (@ 209.47.143.226) on Mon Mar 18 15:22:53 EST 2002.
All times in EST +10:30 for IST.
Even since ARR entered into the cine field in 1992 (Was Roja released in 1991 or 92?), 2 worse things have happenned:
1.He was the one who introduced the use of drum machine (samplers) just to be different from IR and other MDs at that time. He wanted to be different to stay in the field and so created songs with a heave influence of western instruments. Being a 'sound engineer' he managed to be successful and now everybody is following him and calling it the 'trend'. He replaced the 'beauty of orchestration' with this new tread.. No catchy tunes, not so great melodies but just rythm... that's the secret of success...and he knew that. Our youngsters fell for it bcos it was different for them. All of us know that majority of young boys and girls listen to western music just for the rythm and for the quality of sound. They can't even understand the meaning of song and of course they don't need to... infact most of the engilsh songs have no lyrical value... That's exactly what ARR wanted to do... why listen to english beats when I can reproduce the same in tamil movies ???! Right...and that's what he did.. very clever and for this he didn't need to have carnatic music knowledge.. He started violating all the ragas, mixing and matching.. did everything.. (ennavae adi ennavale - a good example of killing 'kedharam' -- funny thing is that unni krishnan got national award for that song)...
It's 10 years now and ARR is still in the industry..charging crores of rupees for each movie, made 100 times the money that IR, MSV have made in their career with genuine music...
Where are we going with this 'tread'...... all songs sound the same...Any song can fit into any movie and for any situation...
2. And the second worst thing that has happened is 'tamizh kolai'. After ARR, now anybody can sing.. no need to know the language. Just sing and ARR will adjust it while recording.. what a shame to 'tamizh mozhi'. ARR is the one who started it. Can anyone deny that? Before that singers had some respect. Just listen to SPB, N.Vasudevan, TMS for their 'tamizh ucharippu'. No wonder why MSV and IR kept on giving using them..
Well I do appreaciate that ARR introduced a lot of new singers but how many can speak 'tamizh'. Can ARR justify what he has done to TFM ?
MSV, KVM and IR composed music for the song. ARR composes song for the music and that's the difference. And that's why we can't listen to any new songs after few months... one bad song will replace another bad song..
If this trend goes for another few more years... 'tamizh mozhi' will find a place in the history...
These are some of the 'tamil kolai seidha padalgal'...
chikku bukky raile.. (ARR)
andha arabi kadaloram (ARR)
poovukku porandha nalu (praveen mani) -- only God can help
all songs in parthale paravasam (ARR)
and a lot more... I don't remember them all..
Can anyone add such songs here??
please note that I do like ARR for many good reasons but I cannot forgive him for the above two bad things he did, knowingly or unknowingly to the TFM...
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- From: magix (@ 203.199.231.102)
on: Thu Mar 21 09:46:33 EST 2002
arr gives the songs to the singers who suit it.
Not the other way round!
(am i making sense?)
- From: ROTFL (@ 210.186.51.119)
on: Thu Mar 21 09:48:19 EST 2002
Raghu
Please go and check how many Tamil stars look like Hindi stars.
That one sounds very much like you. :)
Inge ellaam vanthu enpaa enga praananaiya vaangura? :)
- From: ROTFL (@ 210.186.51.119)
on: Thu Mar 21 09:50:14 EST 2002
no, I am not talking nonsense.
http://forumhub.com/tfilms/24113.09.24.48.html
:)
- From: Raghu (@ 212.2.14.241)
on: Thu Mar 21 09:53:23 EST 2002
ROTFL;
U do have some f**kin problem with me, huh, I can post any where, anything I want, get it into your thick head,
naai vaala nimutha mudiyathu
he he
- From: ROTFL (@ 210.186.51.119)
on: Thu Mar 21 09:58:11 EST 2002
ada inge paaruppaa!
ketta vaarthai pesura naai!
yaarudaa ange? naaigalukkellaam computer koduthukittu!
sorry Raghu if I offended you.
I just had to show everyone the value of your toilet paper postings. :)
- From: Raghu (@ 212.2.14.241)
on: Thu Mar 21 10:01:46 EST 2002
ROTFL;
he he, u r so funny
unga oorila oru ROTFL endra paithiyakara naai ondru TFM illa post paanudhu intro sonnangha,
naai post alla street light enna romba piddikum thane;
:-)))
- From: ROTFL (@ 210.186.51.119)
on: Thu Mar 21 10:02:33 EST 2002
Be careful Raghu!
Before you can finish saying Raghuvaran, you may find yourself banned, like ambleen was. :)
- From: Naaz (@ 24.76.127.63)
on: Thu Mar 21 10:03:08 EST 2002
Sam -
"Lemme fisrt say that I am not a tamilian, and I don understand tamil, so I really don care if it is the right pronunciation, or the wrong."
Perhaps, those of us who speak, understand and respect Tamizh - and consider ourselves to be Tamizhians - have a reason to lament the way our language is spoken or sung - as it OUR language and we have a stake in it? (Not just for our sakes, but for future generations of "tamizh" people).
Indian Film Music has always been mongrelised in an absorbtive and postive sense.
Our MDs (irrepective of language) have borrowed from traditions as diverse as Twist and Jazz to Middle-Eastern Folk and Hinterland Themaangu. Instrumentation has been diverse in its influences as well. And that is the nature of film music.
It is one thing to believe that your are not a person for categories and shun "identity" issues (naturally, as you don't speak, understand or have any investment in the language, you are exempt from such philosophical and REAL portents.) But you cannot deny those who believe that their language is being corrupted and their "cultural" identity slowly eroded by an insidious decay in words and pronunciations - their right to express their dismay and dissatisfaction.
The two important points (however emotional) this thread raises are these: Why does his/her mother-tongue these days sound alien to a natural born (and natural speaking) Tamizhian?
The other question which follows, is merely an extension tracing the source/period of this consequence: When did this slow slide into fuzzy Tamizh come about? And what/who facilitated it - or made it acceptable as "fashionable" tamizh?
These questions are important, and the investigation into this situation can only be assuaging (if nothing else) for the native "tamizh" speaker.
Easy way out of this sorry conundrum: All current MDs can scrap songs from their movies and enthrall all of us with mind-blowing background scores. OH, but what about the audio tape/CD sales?
Now this is the moment to put your money where your mouth is!
- From: Raghu (@ 212.2.14.241)
on: Thu Mar 21 10:03:28 EST 2002
ha ha
- From: ROTFL (@ 210.186.51.119)
on: Thu Mar 21 10:04:02 EST 2002
My sincere apologies to the naaigal of the owrld for comparingthem with Raghu here. :)
- From: Raghu (@ 212.2.14.241)
on: Thu Mar 21 10:05:37 EST 2002
ROTFL;
Check this out, u insane pest
>>"From: ROTFL's sister (@ 141.131.128.22) on: Wed Mar 20 12:30:57 EST 2002
friends. please forgive my poor brother ROTFL. when he was young my mother dropped him on his head. from that time onwards he has been like this. The doctor said that his brain nerves got damaged and he should take medicine daily for the rest of his life. sometimes he forgets to dothat and he becomes like this. he craves
for attention but no one understands him.
please forgive him because it is not his fault. he
likes to be encouraged, so even if you dont understand him please try to encourage him.
kalyani <<"
ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ah aha h a
- From: magix (@ 203.199.231.102)
on: Thu Mar 21 10:05:43 EST 2002
stop!
- From: Raghu (@ 212.2.14.241)
on: Thu Mar 21 10:08:04 EST 2002
M
I never started any fights, I never do, it was ROTFL, naa yarudaiyum sandaikku poga matten, ana vantha sandaiyayum vidamaaten", enna, ye vazhi thaneee vazhi,
vatta
- From: ROTFL (@ 210.186.51.119) on: Thu Mar 21 10:09:28 EST 2002
Raghu
That posting impressed you?
Naturally!
Birds of feather flock together. :)
- From: magix (@ 203.199.231.102) on: Thu Mar 21 10:09:40 EST 2002
seri OK..
thanx for stopping.
- From: magix (@ 203.199.231.102) on: Thu Mar 21 10:10:41 EST 2002
S!!! (w/ a lotta nasty glares!) :)
nee avuthu niruthu!
- From: ROTFL (@ 210.186.51.119) on: Thu Mar 21 10:11:06 EST 2002
magix
I show a posting made by him and in reply he shows one done by an adversary.
How do I get him to understand simple logic?
You tell me. :)
- From: magix (@ 203.199.231.102) on: Thu Mar 21 10:11:16 EST 2002
sorry, neengalavuthu niruthunga! ;)
- From: ROTFL (@ 210.186.51.119) on: Thu Mar 21 10:12:35 EST 2002
H!! nee? B!R!
- From: Sarathy (@ 172.181.122.165) on: Thu Mar 21 10:13:00 EST 2002
ARR SUCKS BIG TIME.HE IS JUST RUNNING ON HIS OLD NAME.HE HAS RUN OUT OF STUFF AND INTEREST FOR TFM INDUSTRY BUT THE AUDIENCES ARE TOO STUPID TO REALISE THIS.THE SOONER ARR LEAVES THE BETTER.
- From: magix (@ 203.199.231.102) on: Thu Mar 21 10:13:10 EST 2002
c the next post!!
- From: Raghu (@ 212.2.14.241) on: Thu Mar 21 10:13:19 EST 2002
Magix;
Ok, I will cool it.but I do not like ROTFL comments toward me, I never commented about him/her/what ever, I never started attacking ROTFL, so what's it/her/him problem???
any way, no more fights.
- From: ROTFL (@ 210.186.51.119) on: Thu Mar 21 10:14:05 EST 2002
:)
Magix
Take it easy.
raghu is quite simple minded and does not have huge complexes like some of my adversaries. I am just kidding around withhim. :)
- From: magix (@ 203.199.231.102) on: Thu Mar 21 10:14:30 EST 2002
thanx for the all_caps nonsense sarathy..
bye!!
- From: ROTFL (@ 210.186.51.119) on: Thu Mar 21 10:15:11 EST 2002
One thing common about fools. They all post in caps. :)
- From: magix (@ 203.199.231.102) on: Thu Mar 21 10:16:08 EST 2002
that's right..
more so if they hate ARR.
- From: Raghu (@ 212.2.14.241) on: Thu Mar 21 10:18:02 EST 2002
Sarathy,
I agree ARR recycle his tunes, but he only recycle his own tunes (with a few execption), but Deva, SAR, Sirpy explicitly steals hindi/old tamil(MSV.IR.KVM)/English tunes, yet no body is bashing these MD's, but ARR, why?
ARR is the only Tamil MD to make it big world wide, let him try & explore new dimensions, just cool it guys,
BTW, I am no Hard core ARR fan, I am more of an IRfan.
- From: ROTFL (@ 210.186.51.119) on: Thu Mar 21 10:09:28 EST 2002
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