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Karthikeyan Nagarajan | April 24, 2004 11:12 IST
http://in.rediff.com/movies/2004/apr/24rahman.htm
When I heard that the City of Birmingham Symphony Orchestra had asked A R Rahman to conduct two live concerts in March this year, I was very happy and proud as an Indian and a Tamilian.
Earlier, I had felt proud in 1993 when Ilayaraja had recorded his first classical orchestral work with the Royal Philharmonic Orchestra of London. I was executive producer of that project.
It was Ilayaraja's first full-fledged classical work and it was recorded under the baton of John Scott. Unfortunately, Ilayaraja has still not released that work.
Hence to know that another composer from our midst has come to the world music arena was thrilling news. Rarely do musicians from our part of the world get such an opportunity.
But it was a big fiasco.
Rahman's popular film songs were converted into orchestral scores to be played by a classical symphony orchestra. They proved to be pale shadows of his original songs. And the predominantly Indian crowd did not appreciate them much.
It was obvious that not much thought had gone into the score. The objective should have been to retain the original melodic flavour suited to a symphony orchestra without electronic instruments and vocals.
Greater disappointment was his total non-preparation for conducting on stage. I consider that highly irresponsible. If Rahman thought conducting a symphony orchestra in concert was similar to a studio session, the people who risked allowing him to do it should be blamed.
I am surprised he has not fully understood the importance of the role of a conductor in a classical symphony orchestra.
Conducting is one of the most important aspects in a classical orchestra's live performance. People like Zubin Mehta have not become legends for nothing. Zubin is one of those rare talents who will conduct even the most difficult and complex symphonies like Mahler's 8th Symphony -- called the Symphony of a Thousand because Mahler's original debut concert required nearly 1,000 performers-musicians and choral groups -- without once referring to the score. Every bar of music is conducted from his memory, with total control and confidence of the orchestra.
As someone who has spent a lot of time on the UK music circuit over the last few years, I assumed Rahman would have done his homework and prepared the music as well as for his new role as conductor of a live concert, that too with a top-notch orchestra like the CBSO.
Rahman should have reminded himself that he was going to wield the baton of Sir Simon Rattle, who became CBSO conductor at 25 (in 1980) and made it one of the best orchestras in the world.
As a BBC reviewer wrote, "I cannot help feeling cheated by the concert. Though the orchestra were highly organised, Rahman seemed slightly uninterested to be there. Audience reactions were also mixed. The audiences were given opportunity to ask him questions to which he often replied with one-word answers. Rahman did conduct the orchestra for a short period, but later sat back with the audience and watched another conduct his music."
As with anywhere else in the West, most orchestras are going through a difficult time with dwindling concert attendances and slow music sales. Add to this the problem of population remix among local patrons.
By 2020, for example, Birmingham is tipped to become the first black majority city in UK. Now, its population is a mix of Asians, Africans and Chinese apart from the native whites.
Hence, orchestras are ready to try anything to bring people into the concert halls. And collaborations with musicians from Asia, titled Classic Asia, are part of the mission.
For the 84 year-old CBSO, it must have been a momentous, difficult decision. They took it because their survival depends on their ability to chart new paths.
With his exposure to the UK music industry through his collaboration with Andrew Lloyd Webber, it was not a surprise that Rahman got the project.
But his botching it up is.
I believe Rahman has not been able to transcend the barrier where his own singing and others are vital for his musical pieces. Obviously, there is an inability to compose music free of the composer/performer. He seems to have attempted something for which he is not yet ready intellectually.
In the end it was totally disappointing.
Rahman's confession -- "I messed it up. Will come next time with much more preparation" -- does not redeem him at all.
Karthikeyan Nagarajan is a Chennai-based software technologist.
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- From: Maverick (@ 195.212.29.67)
on: Tue Apr 27 04:00:07 EDT 2004
sridhar
Q3 itself summarises his stupidity. somebody else's quote naalum used by IR in his interview la?. appdina 'Mozart of East' mattum somebody else sonnathu thaane? super ularrals.
seripaa, naan poi Kaadhal Saadhi, Thendral songs kekkanum. music sales la collection yerpaduthina intha rendu albums innum kekaama irukkome nnu ippa thaan purtinchuthu. inga innum yevlo peru intha rendu album pathi kelvi padaama irukenga? i mean kekkaam irukeenga. muthalla, poi atha kelunga. appram neengalum Aa.Vi cartoons kku eligible :-)
- From: Maverick (@ 195.212.29.91)
on: Tue Apr 27 04:05:30 EDT 2004
'Ir remains still fresh even after his exhaustive scores'
exhaustive scores aa? read it as exhausted scores. hehe :-))
remains fresh ? yeah, those 70s and 80s maybe. but ippa varathelaam 'fresh remains' thaan.
- From: ambleen (@ 203.117.10.18)
on: Tue Apr 27 04:10:43 EDT 2004
despite all the 'smart' alex rubbish above...and yet not even a single post to challenge to support & justify ARR=Mozart=Taal.
hmmmm......
- From: Maverick (@ 195.212.29.67)
on: Tue Apr 27 04:21:03 EDT 2004
actually, 'Mozart is ARR of the west'. Mozart fans (like KR) would come and justify that
but why there isnt any post to challenge that 'IRs fresh remains in 90s is ruining his status as a MD'.
lets see, if VR can ask just questions or can answer them also.
- From: ambleen (@ 203.117.10.18)
on: Tue Apr 27 04:24:49 EDT 2004
Just for my one Q, there's is so many changing questions back to me abt IR. ippadi thadumaaruringe...
- From: F e r r a r i (@ 202.56.254.13)
on: Tue Apr 27 04:27:01 EDT 2004
Respond pannina samrt alex rubbish. Respond pannaati "oditaanga".
VR machine kku klevi kekka dhaan theriyum. Respond panninaa puriyadhu.
- From: Maverick (@ 195.212.29.91)
on: Tue Apr 27 04:28:49 EDT 2004
bcos it was such a stupid question to answer.
' Why IR is being called as Isaignani?'
Do you know why asked this question before? Try answering this and realise how stupid your Q is. if you are not able to answer my question, then you already know the answer of your Q.
- From: F e r r a r i (@ 202.56.254.13)
on: Tue Apr 27 04:29:24 EDT 2004
Thamizhan ayya,
we dont have any reason to ridicule IR. But IR fanms inga vandhu thevai illama madayan madhiri pesikitu irukaanga. Just to shut them up, some people went over board(including me). As you righly pointed out, there are many a things to see and enjoy than fight.
Ungala madhiri decent posts panninaa naanga yen sir appadi respond panna porom.
Thappa eduthukaadheenga. we dont have any intention to hurt any other MD's fans
- From: Maverick (@ 195.212.29.67)
on: Tue Apr 27 04:33:15 EDT 2004
'we dont have any intention to hurt any other MD's fans'
I dont see any other MD's FAN here. Whom are you referring to?
- From: ambleen (@ 203.117.10.18)
on: Tue Apr 27 04:33:38 EDT 2004
again....Just for my one Q, there's is so many changing questions back to me abt IR. ippadi thadumaaruringe...
- From: ambleen (@ 203.117.10.18)
on: Tue Apr 27 04:34:23 EDT 2004
To all the biggest hypocrites(aka some arr fans),
Apart from all your pulambal and sambal and vaitherruchal and deviation, pls do post when u r ready with the answer.
- From: Thamizhan (@ 61.1.201.99)
on: Tue Apr 27 04:35:41 EDT 2004
Kodumai..ungala yellam thiruthavay mudiyadhu pola....
'ARR=Mozart=Taal'
idhula ennathai justify panradhu?
There have been so many instances of IR's 'thimir' hard-hitting dirs.
Ambleen romba jolly ya 'ARR=Mozart=Taal' vachukuttu otraar.Chey....If ARR started such a campaign himself,then i would be the first person to oppose it,but that was a Q posed by Simi,and ARR jus expressed his happiness,Ok he lost his humbleness there......What's a big issue there?Do you want ARR to be hanged for his sin of not objecting to Simi's comments.Lol.
Ppl can't be this much moronish....
Neenga pudicha muyalukku moonu kaaluna....seri...vachukonga Ambleen.
//exhaustive scores aa? read it as exhausted scores. hehe :-)) //
Can't do anything for such comments....
objectivity and sensibility are not 'missing'here,but are obsolutely unknown here for years it seems...Chey...disgusting pa..poi vaera yedhavadhu velaiyaatu velaiyadallam pola.
- From: Maverick (@ 195.212.29.67)
on: Tue Apr 27 04:36:02 EDT 2004
despite the smart alex response above, I still havent got my answer .
hmmm....
- From: Maverick (@ 195.212.29.91)
on: Tue Apr 27 04:38:51 EDT 2004
"Can't do anything for such comments....
objectivity and sensibility are not 'missing'here,but are obsolutely unknown here for years it seems...Chey...disgusting pa..poi vaera yedhavadhu velaiyaatu velaiyadallam pola. "
that was a post in amblees style. yov, intha maathiri aalunga kooda pesum bothu logic-aa vaa pesuvaanga ? loosu kooda loosu maathiri thaan pesanum. yenakku timepass aachu.
but still, no answer to my question ? tch tch...VR sleeping?
- From: Thamizhan (@ 61.1.201.99)
on: Tue Apr 27 04:46:06 EDT 2004
Ambleen.....
Jus ask yourself how sensible you are...you just hang to one instance ,one happening....questioning ARR's humbleness,
have it man..humbleness has nothing to do with talent(I am generalising this statement).Don't go berserk over this issue,and i can assure you that no ARR fan can come up with a credible justification for ARR's 'inaction' for the 'Over-blown' comment on him.That's a black mark on ARR's humbleness ,accepted(other ARR fans,don't jump on me ..please).What more do you want Ambleen?...again getting back to describing ARR as 'mixer'...as if Shekar kapoor,Lloyd Webber,Organisers of LOR stage musicals,Dir of 'Warrior of....' and those National Award juries don't have the 'divine' musical sense you have.
Still if you are going to spill mud...then think off..you need a thorough refurbishing of the wat you look at things,my friend...Looking forward for sensible and meaningful discussions..not the filthy fights that our politicians are so famous for ...you act like one of them.
- From: F e r r a r i (@ 202.56.254.13)
on: Tue Apr 27 04:52:05 EDT 2004
Thamizhan ayya,
we wont pounce on you. You expressed your opinion. Thats it. At the same time you didnt open a thread nor post every 10 minutes questioning ARR's credibility. So there is no way we will pounce on you...
But at same time please realise that mulla mull aala dhaan edukka mudiyum.
andha bashaila pesina dhaan sila idiots kku puriyum...
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