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Is ARR Running out of Stuff?

Topic started by Ramesh Vaidhyanathan (@ gengw.gensym.com) on Fri Mar 13 15:14:51 EST 1998.
All times in EST +10:30 for IST.

I listened to VandeMatharam in which ARR recycled his own tunes from Kizhakku Ceemayile and a touch of a song from Indira.
Also ARR's recent movies for big time producers like Ratchagan and Iruvar (except one song) and Dhoud in Hindi did not have any notable music. Remember ARRs last hit Minsarak Kanavu music was done long time ago.

If for a major album for Sony released on 50th year of Indian Independence, ARR cannot produce original music, then I have to come to the conclusion that he is running out of stuff. I heard that ARR is planning to cut down on movies and concentrate more on albums. Thus he will have to produce less and earn more.

Right now I do not see any difference in the quality of music produced by ARR and Karthik Raja. In fact I think Deva is doing a better job of providing consistant good quality music.

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• From: sriram (@ 206.175.174.87) on: Sun Feb 28 08:08:57 EST 1999
  
  what i meant to say,
  is that the reason why do u say ARR is running out of stuff??
  
  is it like ARR is running out of stuff if he is copying his own tunes and rest are not when
  they copy ARR's and others??
  
  
• From: Raj (@ master.hyd.deshaw.com) on: Sun Feb 28 10:16:37 EST 1999
  
  The answers to your queries, in that order, are:
  1.NO
  2.YES to first part and NOT APPLICABLE to second part.
  
  Lets get a few general fundamentals clear:
  1.If A makes it a habit of copying from X, Y and Z, X, Y and Z being arbitary variables, and whats more has most of his claims to fame sourceable to X's ,Y's and Z's , then it is clear that A lacks any (good) stuff whatsoever. You know who is A, I dont have to tell you.
  
  2. If B starts out well, with some good stuff to display, but subsequently falls prey to his /her own limitations and is unable to create, instead resorting to recycling to his own old stuff, then I am sure you would agree with me if I say that this guy has run out of his/her stuff, never mind if others are also recycling this guys' and others' stuff. The identity of B ,too, needs no introduction, I am sure.
  
  I am not sure if you are accepting, giving in that ARR copies his own tunes. It appears to me that you are. Which immediately implies ARR is running out of stuff. Never mind if X or Y copies from him(such morons, they must be!)
  
  As for me, I havent heard ESK, but then to me, this recycling started as early as Bombay. And continues. I hope I am wrong but I am sure that ESK will prove no exception. Let that pass.
  
  
  But how do you justify
  "IR and DEVA normally perform only when the director or the production company is of name and they feel they will get enough publicity.
  they expect the director for publicity. ".
  My dear,dear!
  
  And bracketing HIM with Deva! The fact is that HE has been creating, evolving and innovating for close to 25 years now. Recycling, if any , has been minimal. And dont tell me Rahman taught him layering and such stuff! C'mon, you guys must have a conscience-doesnt it prick ever, I wonder, throwing accusations just like that! :(
  Get your facts right, Sriramji, before throwing accusations. You are welcome to appreciate your ARR's non-snobbish , sincere(?) attempts to provide 'good' music to all his customers. I will , infact, differ in my opinion on that issue. Okay, he is consistent in providing the same type of music to all his customers...but then who said it is all good? IMO, it is all equally-bad:)
  
  Forget that. But get your facts right. Raja has made succesful directors out of non-entities(PVasu,GA etc etc)... and still continues (Heard of Mu.Kalanjiyam, with three outof three successful movies in the last two years...solely because of Raja) to do that. Whereas,it is ARR who depends on the bigness of banner, director etc- give me one film where the banner and director were both non-entities andyet, our man catapulted it to glory).And you try to tell us that Raja depends on the directors!
  
  Have fun, sriram, you have a lot of soulmates here in this DF . Continue the 'good' work... never mind thorns like me who keep popping up pointing out the painful(for you) truth. You'll find a (discomfortingly) substantial number of this specimen,too, however, I must warn you :)
  
  
• From: Jana (@ pppa15-columbus4-2r144.saturn.bbn.com) on: Sun Feb 28 16:14:25 EST 1999
  
  All:
  
  Let us not compare IR and (Deva and ARR). Of late While ARR has been influenced by some old
  Hindi tunes, Deva has been flicking from old Tamil Songs. Both of them have one thing in
  common - have no sense of their own.
  
  It is just because of arrogance of Ilarayaja and
  his too many demands in the cine-field, like audio
  rights etc, have made these two music directors
  come to their peaks now.
  
  ESK is not something new in terms of music. I rate
  this as ARR's mix of his own songs.
  
  Jana
  
  
• From: eden (@ 202.54.71.150) on: Sun Feb 28 22:41:08 EST 1999
  
  To add Raj's list of `non-entities' who have became big names later:
  R Sundarrajan - started with PM
  K Rangaraj - he was an assistant of Bharatiraja
  Manivannan - another BR asst
  BR himself when he started 16...
  Many of those directors of Ramarajan movies
  ....
  ....
  
  It can be called `blasphemy' if someone refers to IR as tuning good only for big names. In fact, it was non-entities who inspired him for most of his great numbers.
  
  
• From: ARR Fan (@ 198.80.192.132) on: Mon Mar 1 05:38:44 EST 1999
  
  Even the topic itself quiet rediclus and the guy started saying 'Minsara Kannavu' is the last hit sincethen ARR is running-out of stuff. If it so, then what about 'Jeans and Uyire'. Jeans songs are very aweful and Uyire as well. Uyire bagged many awards and Jeans songs are very much inspired by all tamils. I think, the starter gonna claim that he never lisented to the both film songs like KR who is the guy yet to be heard the Roja songs.
  
  ARR has every talent and he always come-up with the marvelous tunes time to time eversince the tamil cinema have it. IR is just dump and recently, a lot of his film musics are gone unnoticed. if I gonna say, then this thread is not enough and even ardent IR fans can't bear them. But, ARR has given only two movies last year (Jns & Ue) and both of them are very well received by all of us.
  
  So, ARR is the best and the rest are worst.
  
  
• From: ARR Fan (@ 198.80.192.132) on: Mon Mar 1 05:38:58 EST 1999
  
  Even the topic itself quiet rediclus and the guy started saying 'Minsara Kannavu' is the last hit sincethen ARR is running-out of stuff. If it so, then what about 'Jeans and Uyire'. Jeans songs are very aweful and Uyire as well. Uyire bagged many awards and Jeans songs are very much inspired by all tamils. I think, the starter gonna claim that he never lisented to the both film songs like KR who is the guy yet to be heard the Roja songs.
  
  ARR has every talent and he always come-up with the marvelous tunes time to time eversince the tamil cinema have it. IR is just dump and recently, a lot of his film musics are gone unnoticed. if I gonna say, then this thread is not enough and even ardent IR fans can't bear them. But, ARR has given only two movies last year (Jns & Ue) and both of them are very well received by all of us.
  
  So, ARR is the best and the rest are worst.
  
  
• From: ARR Fan (@ 198.80.192.132) on: Mon Mar 1 05:39:10 EST 1999
  
  Even the topic itself quiet rediclus and the guy started saying 'Minsara Kannavu' is the last hit sincethen ARR is running-out of stuff. If it so, then what about 'Jeans and Uyire'. Jeans songs are very aweful and Uyire as well. Uyire bagged many awards and Jeans songs are very much inspired by all tamils. I think, the starter gonna claim that he never lisented to the both film songs like KR who is the guy yet to be heard the Roja songs.
  
  ARR has every talent and he always come-up with the marvelous tunes time to time eversince the tamil cinema have it. IR is just dump and recently, a lot of his film musics are gone unnoticed. if I gonna say, then this thread is not enough and even ardent IR fans can't bear them. But, ARR has given only two movies last year (Jns & Ue) and both of them are very well received by all of us.
  
  So, ARR is the best and the rest are worst.
  
  
• From: eden (@ 202.54.71.155) on: Mon Mar 1 06:43:36 EST 1999
  
  My dear ARR fan!
  No doubt Uyire & Jeans songs are very popular! You can definitely call them top hits. The discussion is not about the marketing portion of film songs at all. It is about the musical content - about recycling & such stuff. Even a HCARR supporter like Kumudham has written in review of Jeans that he has started stealing the tunes from old Hindi songs.
  
  Hope it is clear. And as for as selling of cassettes, hits etc. of today, even for Deva, the numbers are so many. Can you call him full of stuff?
  
  
• From: eden (@ 202.54.71.155) on: Mon Mar 1 07:06:11 EST 1999
  
  And ARR fan!
  Please visit the survey page of TFM and ascertain yourselves whether IR or ARR is biting the dust!
  
  This too 23 years after IR entered the field, after IR's 750 movie albums and other works. Please compare with sheer volume (i mean quantity, nos.) of hits etc. of ARR and then arrive at a conclusion as to who is the best!
  
  Facts may be bitter to you, but still they are facts!
  
  
• From: Shankar (@ webgate0.mot.com) on: Mon Mar 1 08:40:31 EST 1999
  
  Sriram,
  
  Ur argument that Raja depends on (i don't want to even mention the name of the other entity compared with HIM) big banners to produce hits has been very well answered by Raj.
  
  U said the director of ESK is not well known , right. But the producer is!!!!
  
  FYi, the producer is ur ARR :-))(and the movie is a cheap imitation of Mission impossible ,of course with some typical SI senti stuff. BGM ,as usual sux :-)) )
  
  That's the reson why he took almost an year to collect the best from his recycle bin :-)))
  
  
• From: nesan (@ sdn-ar-002txfworp138.dialsprint.net) on: Mon Mar 1 13:52:51 EST 1999
  
  Hi,
  That also, he couldnt finish the BGM for ESK.
  Now Deva's brother is doing the BGM.
  thanks,
  NESanp
  
  
• From: kathirundhu_kathirundhu (@ bluebird.qut.edu.au) on: Mon Mar 1 21:46:40 EST 1999
  
  Just an aside:
  "The movie release will be on April 14th.
  The cassette release depends on only A.R. Rahman"
  - so says K.S.Ravikumar on "Padaiyappa" in his interview to Dinakaran.
  
  
• From: nakkeeran (@ inet-fw5-o.oracle.com) on: Mon Mar 1 22:17:06 EST 1999
  
  ARR Fan:
  
  This topic was started in March, '98, and he had no way of listening to Jeans, or Uyire at that time, right?
  
  
• From: Raj (@ master.hyd.deshaw.com) on: Tue Mar 2 00:19:38 EST 1999
  
  
  Nakkeran and others: I think that the reason RameshV started THIS topic .."Is ARR running out of stuff.?" only because , as nakkeran says, he probably hadnt heard Uyirae and Jeans yet.
  If he had heard it, I am sure he would have been convinced that "ARR HAS run out of stuff" and wouldnt have bothered to ask us to confirm :)
  
  

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