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Vani Jayaram's songs

Topic started by avvaiyar (@ 203.116.61.132) on Wed Jan 27 02:29:28 EST 1999.
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I'm a new visitor to this website. I couldn't see anyone discussing about Vani Jayaram's songs.
Let me start this one.(It had been there previously pls. forgive me!)

"Ezhu swarangalukkul ethanai paadal..
Ithaya surangathul ethanai kelvi...
Vaazhum manitharukkul ethanai salanam.."

Wow! Beautiful voice!

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• From: Priya (@ 198.23.26.253) on: Tue Jan 15 09:41:44 EST 2002
  
  
  Kunguma kolangal song is available in Music India Online. (Annan Oru Kovil)
  
  
• From: Naaz (@ 24.76.127.63) on: Tue Jan 15 11:09:05 EST 2002
  
  AVR - I don't believe awards and popularity are signs of any great achievement - as sometimes they can be right and sometimes way off the mark. I have said so in my earlier postings. However, I can't be all that dismissive of criticism and research on music - being a critic and an academic myself. Even there, one has to be discerning. All criticism is not sincere. Critics of the popular variety can also be bought or retained. It is all part of the marketing "apparatus" these days, and not exclusive to the Indian Film Industry.
  I believe that the Neela songs are Good and hence am happy that they have reached and found a good audience. If if they hadn't been popular, to me they would have been fine numbers. I don't want them to be POPULAR just because I believe VJ deserves more FAME or RECOGNITION. In my opinion, she is rather well known, has her own segment of discerning listeners and has demonstrated her calibre time and again. Doubters of her talent and skill can still exist - but her job is not to convert them. She just has to keep doing what she does best - and more often than not, she does do her best. That is all an artist can expect from oneself. If fame and glory come along the way, then the true artist accepts that gracefully. But that is not the raison d' etre for their being. It is their ART.
  
  
  
• From: Naaz (@ 24.76.127.63) on: Tue Jan 15 11:21:16 EST 2002
  
  Criticism is more than just praising or panning a song or artist or music director. It is an investigation of the art-form and the artist's exposition of the genre. Good criticism (not of the wah wah variety) is something that fine tunes not just the singer/artist but also the reader/listener. It tweaks the faculties and hones them with valid information and analysis, subsequently enhancing (or providing one with the tools to critique) the listening/viewing experience. Good criticism can be SUBJECTIVE. But it cannot be DISHONEST.
  
  
• From: Priya (@ 198.23.26.253) on: Tue Jan 15 11:37:53 EST 2002
  
  Speaking of Santhi Muhurtham (SriPriya's directorial debut) there was a duet about "mazhai" Can someone recollect it?
  
  
• From: Priya (@ 198.23.26.253) on: Tue Jan 15 12:48:28 EST 2002
  
  I suddenly remembered this song "Devi nee indri naan aedhamma..O..oh.." It is a duet by SPB & VJ from tamil remake of Insaaf kaa thaarazhu starring Madhavi.
  
  
• From: Naaz (@ 24.76.127.63) on: Tue Jan 15 12:50:05 EST 2002
  
  Nirabarathi, Priya. I mean the movie you are thinking of...:-)
  
  
• From: susi (@ 216.209.200.18) on: Tue Jan 15 13:38:44 EST 2002
  
  Idaya vanil ulavugindre puthiye meghame duet by vani and bala.
  pathule selai kaluthile rathe malai by vani and vasu.film: pannei purathu pandavergal.
  madhanochavom rathiyodhu than bu vani and bala
  movie:sadhurangam
  yen yenbetho yethenbetho: vani and bala
  movie:rakthapasam
  
  
• From: Priya (@ 198.23.26.253) on: Tue Jan 15 14:12:15 EST 2002
  
  
  Some more duets of VJ can be heard in Music India Online
  1) Vinnile Minmini Oorvalam - VJ & MVD (Ival oru Pournami)
  2) Ammaanai Aadi varum - VJ & TMS (Avan Oru Charithiram)
  3) Maalaiyittaan oru - VJ & TMS (Avan Oru Charithiram)
  
  
  
  
  
• From: Mr. Observer (@ 64.105.35.147) on: Tue Jan 15 14:20:32 EST 2002
  
  
  susi, 'yen yenbetho yethenbetho' is in Lorry Driver Rajakannu, a must see movie.
  
  
• From: Priya (@ 198.23.26.253) on: Tue Jan 15 15:00:44 EST 2002
  
  Who acted in Lorry Driver Rajakannu?
  
  
• From: susi (@ 216.209.200.18) on: Tue Jan 15 15:20:01 EST 2002
  
  there is one song in kamal and sri priya starter (i dont know the movie) the song goes like this: rajathi kungumum sringaram
  
  
• From: Naaz (@ 24.76.127.63) on: Tue Jan 15 16:32:06 EST 2002
  
  susi - that's from Mangal Vadhyam. MD: MSV.
  Another fine duet by VJ/SPB is from Billa:
  Iravum Pagalum Yennkku Un Mel Kannottam...
  
  
• From: Naaz (@ 24.76.127.63) on: Tue Jan 15 16:39:20 EST 2002
  
  Mangala - a dropped in a hurry! :-)
  
  
• From: Mr. Observer (@ 64.105.35.147) on: Tue Jan 15 16:59:07 EST 2002
  
  Priya, I will tell you only if you promise to see the movie:) Ok, here goes....Sivaji Ganesan
  
  iravum pagalum ....song is by MV and VJ.
  
  
• From: bhoomii (@ 172.133.92.250) on: Tue Jan 15 19:39:34 EST 2002
  
  listen to the song yaradhu sollamal nenjalli ponanadu - by vani jayaram in the firm Nenjamellam neye
  
  
• From: Naaz (@ 24.76.127.63) on: Tue Jan 15 20:29:25 EST 2002
  
  Thanks, Observer. It is MDV/VJ - you're right.
  
  
• From: Neel D (@ 24.98.40.99) on: Tue Jan 15 21:27:36 EST 2002
  
  I am not sure if this song is available elsewhere. Click on the link and search for "Naal nalla naal".
  
  http://stsrinivasan.tripod.com/old.html
  
  
• From: Naaz (@ 24.76.127.63) on: Tue Jan 15 22:49:55 EST 2002
  
  Thanks Neel D, that's such a delightful song - took me back to the Nair Tea-kades in Chennai. Hot, sweet chaya and Naal Nalla Naal from a rheumatic, old speaker! Bliss!
  
  VJ's humming technique is quite distinctive - the Lalala in the song is signature VJ. Also her swara-hums (no term for that) in Mridanga Chakravarthi - Abinaya Sundari song, and the quick Rararararara - in Ore Naal from Illamai Oonjalaadugirathu - come to mind. There are others as well, but I can't think of them right now. Maybe later.
  
  
• From: vijay (@ 68.51.203.216) on: Wed Jan 16 02:11:06 EST 2002
  
  Another song of VJ that has probably been forgotten by many but remains a personal favourite of mine is "muthu muthu therottam" from Aaniver(*ing Sivakumar, saritha) with music by SG..they gave her some pretty good songs..this song is intensely melodic, with VJ conveying the longing expressed by the heroine very well
  when she sings "athan peyar thaan viragam, entha thinam thaan vilagum" you can almost feel it yourself
  
  and the second interlude with violin/veena pieces is good..this song would feature in my top 5 all time songs of VJ in tamil..
  
  
• From: avr (@ 143.127.3.10) on: Wed Jan 16 02:32:53 EST 2002
  
  Mr Naaz:
  
  I was just reading the entire thread again. Its quite a bit!!
  
  Somehwere u have said that u host a program on Radio. Could u play some of the mahapatra,maharaj songs. And tell me the time. Even if it is past midnight by Indian time, I'll try to keep awake just to listen to those.
  
  Pardon me, patience is not my strongest point :-)
  
  Thanks a lot
  AVR
  
  
  
• From: Neel D (@ 24.98.40.99) on: Wed Jan 16 08:47:09 EST 2002
  
  Naaz,
  
  One of the new singers tries something similar to "rararara" in the movie "Tenali" and falls flat on her face. But the song was released anyway.
  
  
• From: susi (@ 216.209.200.18) on: Wed Jan 16 08:55:50 EST 2002
  
  another song with nanana na nana nana ending is ponthendrale nalla neram kalam serum with vani and jc is also superb
  
  
• From: Naaz (@ 24.76.127.63) on: Wed Jan 16 09:31:05 EST 2002
  
  Neel/Vijay/Ramki/Priya/Avr...and others:
  Just a request: Could you please help me fill in my holes in CURRENT TFM by posting a list of songs which are booms and busts...? Any song after "Indian" - as that's when I gave up listening to TFM regularly. I still do listen to the hyped-numbers (rather anti-climactic) but miss out on some good ones - and some really bad ones. Any suggestions will go a long way. I really need to fill in these musical blanks...and with your help, I shall.
  
  
• From: Naaz (@ 24.76.127.63) on: Wed Jan 16 09:32:46 EST 2002
  
  Poonthendrale from Bhuvan Oru ? is a fast-paced, breezy (no pun) duet. Thanks for reminding me, susi.
  
  
• From: Naaz (@ 24.76.127.63) on: Wed Jan 16 09:33:49 EST 2002
  
  I seem to be dropping my A's. Bhuvana Oru ? (the song that really hogged the airwaves was Raja Enbar from that same film.)
  
  
• From: Priya (@ 198.23.26.253) on: Wed Jan 16 10:04:50 EST 2002
  
  Mr. Observer who is the heroine in LDRajakannu? Geez, I can imagine from your tone(?!) how this movie would be?
  
  
• From: Naaz (@ 24.76.127.63) on: Wed Jan 16 10:30:15 EST 2002
  
  Sripriya, I think. The name of the film should be a clue in itself, priya...
  
  
• From: Naaz (@ 24.76.127.63) on: Wed Jan 16 10:33:27 EST 2002
  
  There was gaggle of gawdawful films by Sivaji in the early-mid-80s - LDRajakannu, Naam Iruvar, Rakthapasam, Sandhippu, Viswaroopam...all watch-at-your-own-risk kinda movies...all flops, incidentally. :-))
  
  
• From: Priya (@ 198.23.26.253) on: Wed Jan 16 10:49:19 EST 2002
  
  Naaz, you forgot the movie Sangili in your list. I have heard lots of reviews about this movie when I was in school.
  
  
• From: Priya (@ 198.23.26.253) on: Wed Jan 16 10:52:30 EST 2002
  
  Just a digression, I visit the site www.lolluexpress.com at times (especially when I am feeling low or homesick!. The reviews written for all the recent tamil movies make me laugh so much....
  
  
• From: Naaz (@ 24.76.127.63) on: Wed Jan 16 12:08:54 EST 2002
  
  Sangili was the tamil remake of the Hindi Kalicharan. Sivaji AND Prabhu. Enough said :-)!!
  
  
• From: Naaz (@ 24.76.127.63) on: Wed Jan 16 12:14:19 EST 2002
  
  Is there a link to VJ's song (duet) from Chinna Chinna Veedu Katti? It is quite (avr, take note) a breath-less number...Nakulamukulanaththubulakule...so it goes. Neel D, Ramki...any offerings?
  
  
• From: isaiosai (@ 165.122.128.246) on: Wed Jan 16 13:27:57 EST 2002
  
  Naaz,
  
  I have never said anything wrong about VJ’s diction and you seem to think that I have. Also, I have not said that SS’s rendition is flawless in Paattu Cholli. But she is far better than her usual self. Most of your postings for me seems to stem from this misunderstanding of yours.
  
  /*I have not found fault with UR, KJY, SPB, PS, KSC, KK, LM, AB,...- so why do you insinuate such a thing??*/
  
  There may be others but I am listing 3:
  
  1) I had mentioned that TB is supposed to be a perfectionist. Go back and see how you have ridiculed him on his quest for perfection, something like “I am amazed how much work…”. Why do you dismiss him so easily when his first work as a director is yet to be seen by people. You speak about art and this shows your respect for an artist. You also said “…if this were not funny…”. Just because ND doesn’t speak her lines does not mean that any voice would suit her character. You seem to grossly underestimate an art like dubbing. And just you not being able to relate that to finding a suitable singer does not undermine TB’s intent. I see sense in it. It is TB’s film and he might have his own view and preferences. I am open on his stance and hence those 2 statements with “:-)” towards the end of my “Digression” posting. How justified he stands will be known only on seeing his film. You could have understood me and left it at that.
  
  2) Go back and see what u have said about IR. In another thread, u have even said that IR should have stopped singing after his first song. You seem to have grossly underestimated him as a singer. While I agree he has spoilt some songs, there are quite a few where in he has poured life into a song. Why do you see only the worst singer in him. Why don’t you see the better singer in him? He may not have the best of voices but he can bring out the emotion required for certain situations quite well and that is sufficient for the film medium. He usually scores/performs according to the merit of the film. If you notice, in all the good films like Nayagan, Agni Nakshaththiram, Sethu, Bharati, Kutti and, even in Azhagi, he has sung quite well. Also, most of those films in which he has not sung well will be average/poor films. He may also have helped the makers/director of the film by singing, which I am sure you will not even want to think of, leave alone understand it. While you have said some good words, you have even said “It is to VJ's credit that she proved to be better than his original choices. So, giving her some of his best tunes - well, that was just VJ's sweet revenge!”. Oh! So it was her “sweet revenge”. That should have been news to many. I had a nice laugh. And yes, u were not finding fault here, but just depicting VJ in a better light. I think I am getting it. Naaz, every profession has its strengths and concessions.
  
  3) In another thread u have said that SJ should stop singing. For her, singing, besides being work, could be life for all that you know. She knows nothing else in life other than singing (probably I am being too emotional and senti and in these days one should be ‘cool’, eh!). On the monetary front too – may be she has enough, or, may be not (you had referred to ‘money’ in ur comment on SJ). After retirement, such film artists don’t get paid. Anyway, I would like to believe what hihi:-) said – let her sing till she enjoys and feels like. Listening or not is left to us.
  
  I don’t know what made you think of “obliging” in a derogatory way. And look at ur posting in response to that. Your talk about “personal” favours and friendship was unwarranted. You seem to sound as though VJ is a thorough professional and say those other MDs and singers as being “oblinging” in a derogatory manner. Shows what you feel about this profession. It actually doesn’t tell me anything. Just because VJ was not the preferred singer of MDs and people of 80s and 90s does not mean the whole film industry is bad. Moreover, the “music” part of film industry is not as bad as the film industry itself. Politics in TFM, and south Indian FM in general, has always been minimal. It is only with today’s generation that it seems to be on the rise.
  
  If most of the MDs did not prefer VJ, then there could be many reasons. All your talk on attending parties, etc. does not make sense. PS, SJ and UR are not know to have crossed any principle-boundaries to achieve whatever they did in TFM, and southern FM in general (excluding UR here), and certainly are principled people. I am talking of purely a work-relationship. I doubt how available she made herself for MDs. Also, with PS and SJ doing some good work, MDs may not have given her many offers. In fact, the “major” factor I feel is that she could not strike a good work-relationship with most of the MDs. There has been a “creative incompatibility” or some discomfort or not feeling “comfortable enough” with many MDs. May be she was Vijayabhaskar’s preferred singer and KVM gave her some good opportunities. That’s all. I would leave it at that. You probably don’t even want to think on these lines.
  
  While diction is important in film music, that is not everything. I think PS and SJ, and even UR scored over VJ because they could sound better and bring out the emotions better in their songs than VJ. Listeners should be able to feel that emotion. In this regard, VJ certainly comes next to PS and SJ. The fact is PS, SJ and UR scored over VJ at that time as far as FM medium is concerned. If you think it was others’ loss, so be it.
  
  You can compare Kaasi with Payanangal Mudivathillai and Ninaivellam Nithya. How about comparing Neela with some of her best. Neela is anyway sumaaruthan. May be people liked it because of the abundance of crap that comes out these days!. Even such songs have become a rarity in KFM. Moreover, a MD was giving VJ 4 songs after a long long time. Can I put it that way? Or may be I shouldn’t, because it is VJ. It may also be out of context. Yes!
  
  /* I am sure IsaiOsai will also be interested in looking them up.*/
  Being cordial I believe. You could have avoided this. I think I can see your arrogance but let us keep that aside. And yes, I siad that her diction is flawed, right? Good sense of understanding Naaz. Anyway, when you know I don’t have any grave complaints about SS’s Paattu Cholli, I’m sure u can guess what all I can put up with. Naaz, everyone has faults in them. SS has too many compared to VJ but VJ has her own too. Any keen listener can identify quite some mistakes in her rendering, especially, in tone control and conveying the emotional content. Keep listening, you too will realize them, if you haven’t already. The moment someone says anything that is not really in favour of VJ you seem to feel insecure and in the process of making up for that end up talking low of others. Guess it is not ego! Anyway, I thought she was your favourite and so you would post the relevant links:-)
  
  Regd. “just for the records”: Yes, she could develop a good work-relationship with Vijayabhaskar and KVM provided her some good opportunities. Wonder, why KVM did not prefer her to PS, SJ and SPS during the 80s and 90s. Probably, she did not make herself available easily even to him. Or, should I think that he did not compose anything that was worth her all that while? May be, you’ll accept if I say that she preferred to work with only select few MDs:-).
  Bhava won National Award for Mayil Pola from Bharati. What a “sweet” song that was. I’m sure you wouldn’t have had any objection if Bhava had sung Paattu Cholli. But then, I remember you posting something about “good sense”.
  
  While one would agree with all of VJ’s non-filmi achievements – all those classical recitals, her work with Ustads and others in the north and her bhajans and devotional albums, as far as Tamil and Telugu FM, and southern FM in general is concerned, PS and SJ will be remembered more for their work. Even when it comes to bhajans and devotional albums in Tamil and Telugu, PS and SJ are way ahead. The fact remains that VJ’s voice does not suite all songs and situations, and she could not develop a good work-relationship with most of the TFM MDs from 80’s. She even seemed to have distanced herself from the south and spent considerable amount of time doing work in the north, and hence, all those associations with the north indian artists.
  
  I did not really want you to list VJ’s faults. You seemed to be talking too low of others and unduly high of VJ most of the times. So I just wanted you to think of her negatives. That is all I meant. I myself like many of VJ’s songs in Tamil and Telugu. I don’t think I am “anti-VJ”.
  
  Naaz,
  
  A friendly suggestion. While most of your posts are good, you seem to get carried away sometimes when someone talks against you or there is a difference of opinion. Your tone becomes more stronger:-) It will sound as being arrogant. To discuss in the right spirit, go thru some of the old postings involving Sathya Keerthi and co. (dated late 90s). You will then understand the tone and spirit with which discussions were carried out then. Some seniors are still present amongst us here. Also, if you haven’t, read the guidelines that the admin of this site have recommended for newcomers. newtfmpage.com has its own rich and varied heritage and culture:). At a certain point during a discussion, when there is a change of “tone”, it turns into an argument. There would be nothing like it if one can understand that distinction. Exceptions will always be there. I know there are worse people here and you are one of the few useful contributors of recent times. But for what you come across as, I’m sure you can do better. At least, I am certainly not for arguments.
  
  Neel D,
  
  I would not dismiss it as a “trend”. I read this dubbing artist story in an interview on the net but can’t remember the website. Also, SS worked recently with IR for that patriotic short song in Hindi, picturized on Kiran Bedi for DD and that could have renewed their connections. Somehow, I can see some sense in TB’s intentions. How the outcome will be will depend on his skills as a director. Let’s see. Also, the film’s failure for any lack of his directorial skills, if any, should not really make us doubt his intent. As regards ND, well, it seems he wanted to shoot this film with Shabana Azmi in the lead 10 yrs back. On a lighter vein, I don’t think he was thinking of setting a trend then:-) He might have felt that the role would suite ND. She acts quite naturally and has already earned a name for herself in the industry, then why go in for a new one? Naeram. Nadakudhu.
  
  I think certain things in life are based purely on feelings. The very art of music is all about feelings and emotions. It is mostly listeners trying to follow the composers’ or the compositions’ mood and not the other way round. In most cases, if one can read the composers’ ideas, thoughts and feelings, basically, “understand them better”, it helps in enjoying their compositions much better. Not all feelings, thoughts and intentions of a composer are spoken out and found in print. It is upto the listeners’ interest to get to know them and understand them better. Everything cannot be explained, and certainly, not everybody is good at explaining. There are some things in life that you simply feel. Even IR, who had seen Amadeus, a movie on Mozart, 37 times, found it difficult to explain certain musical nuances that he observed. Some may even laugh at him for this and that is understandable:)
  
  I have said this in another thread much earlier (before u came Naaz) that I feel I can understand IR quite well. This is not a fan(atic)’s statement (did I hear someone say “most fans say that”). Most of my earlier opinions about his work/actions have turned out to be true. I had also said, after listening to songs of Kaasi, that the film would be a hit and it is. Similarly, I feel this would be the case with Azhagi songs: Paattu Cholli would be picturised on ND, Damakku Damakku Dam on a child artist (earlier, I had thought it would be on Devayani), Un Kuththama would be a background song involving Parthiban and ND, Oru Sundari on Parthiban, ND and others, and Oliyilae on Parthiban and Devayani.
  
  Even if any 4 (or should it be 3?) out of these 5 turn out to be true, that in a way, will be a measure of how much I really understand him. It is just a feeling. Call it anything – guess, intuition, fluke or understanding, or whatever. And having read that TB’s interview, it is the same feeling that tells me why Paattu Cholli went to SS. Maybe, I a trying to understand TB now:-)
  
  To all those whom I have annoyed,
  
  My actual posting was with the intention of sharing some info. , that dubbing artist episode of TB’s, which I thought I knew and some here did not. That was all it was to be. Hence, it was under “Digression”, which is meant to be a short deviation. I had no intentions of actively participating in this thread. However, with Naaz trying to pick up on diction, bring in Bhava, showing utter disrespect for others and getting carried away in favour of VJ took things to a different level. I tried explaining to him as sense did not prevail over me then:-). This is where we are now and I apologise for that.
  
  My very first posting in this thread was for Neel D with a link to MIO and then I had congratulated all you valuable contributors for doing some great work here. This is one of the few good threads that exists as on today. I am sure my absence from this thread will be healthy for its existence and of great help to you all. Also, respecting the creator and the useful contributors of this thread, and as a favour to the admins:) I intend not to visit this thread. Although, it may probably be my loss, I "feel" I will not even read it.
  
  Keep up the good work. All the best.
  
  
  
• From: susi (@ 216.209.200.18) on: Wed Jan 16 14:12:16 EST 2002
  
  In a way i think IR was purposely ignoring vani's talent (maybe he had something against her or what, only god knows). Why I am saying this is because he uses the most useless singer in indian cinema S.P.Shailaja for some songs which she kills the song terribely wherelse Vani would have done an excellent job.
  
  

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