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If Maniratnam works with Ilaiya Raaja again , will he be at gain or loss ???

Topic started by Kiran (@ 202.9.67.104) on Wed Jan 23 02:06:46 EST 2002.
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FOLKS....
While Manis and IRs combination churned out much quality that captured the peoples heart , Manis and ARs combination won them lots of success , money and fame all over,which Mani got used to now.Do you think he shall be at loss or gain if he works with IR again ??

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• From: sushma (@ 203.195.200.147) on: Thu Jan 24 12:45:52 EST 2002
  
  Hi,
  
  I am appalled at the way the discussion has turned out.I donot understand the attitude of people like robin ,arun,cheenu etc.U have terrible attitude problems guys.The best attitude should be appreciate music rather appreciate good music!!whether its by AR or IR.
  
  
  I am not a fan of ARR,but I still feel his music is way above the standars of Hj and YSR.I agree even they r talented music directors who have wonderful future in the tamil induatry,but just for that criticising ARR is foolishness.Go home today and give a sincere listening to any music may it be by arr or ir or ysr etc but donot be biased.Biases opinions will take u nowhere.
  
  bye
  sushma
  
  
• From: sushma (@ 203.195.200.154) on: Thu Jan 24 12:47:42 EST 2002
  
  Hi,
  
  I am appalled at the way the discussion has turned out.I donot understand the attitude of people like robin ,arun,cheenu etc.U have terrible attitude problems guys.The best attitude should be appreciate music rather appreciate good music!!whether its by AR or IR.
  
  
  I am not a fan of ARR,but I still feel his music is way above the standars of Hj and YSR.I agree even they r talented music directors who have wonderful future in the tamil induatry,but just for that criticising ARR is foolishness.Go home today and give a sincere listening to any music may it be by arr or ir or ysr etc but donot be biased.Biased opinions will take this world nowhere.Expecting horrible from cheenu,arun,ROBIN ETC.
  
  bye
  sushma
  
  
• From: sushma (@ 203.195.200.154) on: Thu Jan 24 13:02:32 EST 2002
  
  hi,
  
  sorry expecting horrible comments from cheenu and gang.
  bye
  
  
• From: gtr (@ 63.95.59.197) on: Thu Jan 24 13:37:13 EST 2002
  
  at the current tamil cinema situation, i think it wouldnt be a right combination..... You can find that throughout the Mani-IR combination, IR was able to produce the music that was required for that timeperiod... I would like to quote the agni natchathiram where he didnt use Tabla throughout.... similarly with respect to anjali and thalapathi he was simply superb.......... looking at mani's movies after that IR would have suited to Roja and bombay but not for Thiruda thiruda and alai payudhey..... ARR's usage of bass guitar has been one of his main strengths and illayaraja doesnt turn to keyboard and bass guitars unnecessarily.......A more mature subject like iruvar would suit IR but for a commercial success, i dont think IR and Mani could repeat a Agni natchathiram or Thalapathy ......
  
  
• From: Naaz (@ 24.76.127.63) on: Thu Jan 24 16:50:42 EST 2002
  
  gtr, is your prophecy based on market-research or just intuition? How would one know if the film with IR-MR would be commercially viable or not - unless the film is made and reaches the masses? Aren't we over-reaching ourselves with all this clairvoyance??
  
  
• From: yaaro (@ 205.188.193.186) on: Thu Jan 24 18:56:26 EST 2002
  
  gtr-this is from the article by guitar prasanna-
  //I have never heard a guitar even remotely out of tune in Raaja’s songs for example (believe me, that’s very rare in general). I have to make a special mention of Raaja’s use of the electric bass guitar. I have never heard such meticulous written bass parts (its clearly written carefully), as it is in Raaja’s - song after song after song. Mention also to some brilliant acoustic drum work (a lost and ancient art in India) on Raaja’s songs. //
  
  
• From: Kiran (@ 202.9.67.104) on: Thu Jan 24 21:56:17 EST 2002
  
  AFTER SEEING SETHU AND FRIENDS , I SAY ,I AM SURE
  PEOPLE WILL MAKE MR AND IR COMBINATION A BIG HIT AGAIN ....
  with MR AND IR its like both riding in one chariot and giving a nice show....but with AR n MR its like both are riding two different horses (Particularly MR riding a mule while AR a race horse )
  .....anyway ....i wonder if mani allows to write IRs name on the posters , as big as his name like earlier he used to do !!
  
  
• From: Its Me (@ 192.11.189.114) on: Fri Jan 25 02:13:33 EST 2002
  
  Robin,
  u have a great future if u take up comedy seriously...
  You mean to say Dil Se, Thiruda Thiruda & Iruvar flopped only because of BGM, inspite of having great music, a great story line(??!!), excellent screenplay & direction (??!!)... ( See my earlier post for further comments, i dont wanna repeat the same thing again :) )
  If IR uses the song tune as BGM it is to give punch but if ARR does it, its a criminal offence... good one :) ...
  
  >> ARR has good command in Hindi
  
  Laughing stock... How did you come to know of it Robin ??? ( In the dubai concert, some of the singers & lyricists talked about rahman in hindi and Javed Jafri sat next to ARR and translated them into English for him ... )
  
  >> to shine in Bombay, you need some relegious background
  How numb can a person get ??? Even if we take your statement for the sake of argument, it makes no sense. Mumbai is the place where Shiv Sena, BJP & Bajrang Dal are prominent and active... (And ppl know to what extent they can get to )
  If ARR were to be a Hindu, your statement would have made some sense... Can you please tell me what kind of Religious Backing does ARR have and how can religious background contribute towards becoming a superhit MD ???
  
  
• From: Cheenu (@ 203.199.205.25) on: Fri Jan 25 03:00:36 EST 2002
  
  Sushma,
  
  As robin pointed out, Film Music does not end just in composing a few hit songs. A film music director should convey the mood of the film through out its run. He should carefully analyze the characters and the scene and compose a bit which aptly conveys the mood effectively and also enhances the director's intention. Any one who does is a good film music director.
  
  I remember in the late eighties almost every film director, including stalwarts like Bharthi Raja , gave live examples in TV , of how IR lifted a scene with his back ground score.
  
  Most of the films directed by MR in the eighties were runaway hits and the overalll music , not just songs, but also the BGM. Where IR excels is in BGM, more than the songs. (Please read the review of Azhagi in last week "The HindU")
  
  Where IR excels, ARR flops. His biggest weekness is in scoring BGM. My request is let it be as goos as IR's but atleast let it not be noisy. A sure example is Bombay. It was just noise nothing else. (songs were good).
  
  So do not get emotional. accept IR's superiorty as the best film music director.
  
  
• From: k.arunprakash (@ 213.17.49.4) on: Fri Jan 25 04:26:19 EST 2002
  
  once film actress told in an tv interview'' when raaja sir composes music for the film,the directors used to picturise many scenes with minimum dialogues so that raaja used to fill the scenes with his soulful musical scores which in turn enhances the film''
  
  
• From: k.arunprakash (@ 213.17.49.4) on: Fri Jan 25 04:27:30 EST 2002
  
  revathy is the actress
  
  
• From: ST (@ 193.114.79.185) on: Fri Jan 25 05:49:10 EST 2002
  
  Hi Robin,
  
  Congratulation you have scored 50% and I will give you some hints so that you can come up with the right answer for the important question in this forum which you did not get it right in many attempts. If Maniratnam works with Ilaiya Raaja again , will he be at gain or loss ???)
  
  1. If MR & AR combines the copyright sales would help to finance the film production.
  If MR & IR combines MR will be better off if he leaves that job with IR.
  
  2. If MR & AR combines MR have to wait for many months to get the audio tracks from AR and he may even have to postpone the film release date. If MR & IR combines MR will get the audio tracks well before the film opening ceremony and MR will be left with great challenge of inventing a story to fit these songs or change the project and produce a documentary instead.
  
  3. If MR & AR combines MR can take the film in many languages simultaneously with the same music director and can achieve great saving in production cost. If MR & IR combines MR could only think of Tamil film only and have to wait for many months to evaluate the success and remake these film in different languages with completely different music directors and tunes.
  
  4.If MR & AR combines MR have to spend much time with AR & song writers to tailor the songs to specific situation and to bring in some variations in the sound tracks. If MR & IR combines MR will be free to carry out other things while IR writes and sings the songs so that it would be a great saving for MR which he can pocket himself.
  
  5. If MR & AR combines the film release will boost the audio sales. If MR & IR combines the film release will be a disaster for audio sales and can even force the music company to go out of business.
  
  6. If MR & AR combines MR have to liaise with song writers & AR so that tunes can be altered to accommodate meaningful & mind-blowing sentences in the songs. If MR & IR combines the song writers(if any in special circumstances) can be simply located with rest of the instrument players so that any words can be inserted just like other piece of instruments to fulfill the gaps.
  
  7. If MR & AR combines the sales of the audio will stretch for many months and the listeners rating of the songs on the web sites would be high and above all it will touch the hearts and mind of many listeners. If MR & IR combines IR have to pay huge ransoms to boost the web ratings artificially (please go to http://www.tamilcinema.com/cinenews.asp?fname=top10songs.html and notice that "all KASI songs" just below the real no 1 song). and the audio sales would be for a very short period of time(up to the film release date) and many listeners can't even name a song from that film.
  
  I think I have given you too many clues here to figure out the right answer so please hurry up before someone else.
  
  
• From: Pras (@ 193.56.241.19) on: Fri Jan 25 07:48:50 EST 2002
  
  ST,
  did you notice one more thing : MR is having some flops nowadays that he never had when he worked with IR !!
  In fact, i am not sure that KM will be a hit ! my be an average hit ....
  
  and sorry to say that, but your explaination sucks ....
  
  
• From: Its Me (@ 192.11.189.114) on: Fri Jan 25 08:17:29 EST 2002
  
  Pras,
  How many times i have to tell you guys ? Why are you linking the sucess of MR's films with IR? He gave some good films up till Bombay. If MR is hopefully out of touch in recent years what has MDs got to do with it ??? Please understand that these films didnt flop because of music....( Read my earlier posts)
  Gimme a break guyz...
  
  

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