Topic started by Ramki (@ 68.69.214.196) on Fri Nov 19 19:49:35 EST 2004.
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Often we listen to songs that we feel deserves more appreciation or we discover songs that somehow escaped the attention of listeners or were masked by other popular songs from the same movie.The joy of sharing such discoveries with others could be boundless.
This thread is going to do exactly that.
Songs we host could be really rare or not so rare. We are not limiting to just hosting them.
Many of the songs will be analyzed in detail by carnatic vocalist Mrs Charumathi M.
We are going to start with one song a week. We will try our best to upload the songs in newtfmpage but in rare occassions we might just give you the song link.
Finally, if you feel you have a song that you want to share it with rest of us or if you want us to load a particular song, please let us know and we will try our maximum best to meet your request.
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- From: T (@ 70.20.153.97)
on: Sat Nov 20 23:52:20 EST 2004
how about 'azhaithaal varuvaale sriranjani' from jaathi malli & 'thinnadhey' from paarthen rasithen.?
- From: From Mars (@ 66.185.84.68)
on: Sun Nov 21 11:15:01 EST 2004
Vijay, Mano's debut song is 'aNNe aNNe nee enna sonnE?'
- From: From Mars (@ 66.185.84.68)
on: Sun Nov 21 11:21:35 EST 2004
Ramki,
vaa sagi vaasagi vaLLuvan - aabogi raagam, not sriranjani :)
wow now I can tell the difference between Raaga :))
- From: From Mars (@ 66.185.84.68)
on: Sun Nov 21 11:33:52 EST 2004
bageshri, Aaro: "Sa Ri2 Ga1 Ma1 Da2 Ni1 Sa"
Avro: "Sa Ni1 Da2 Pa Da2 Ni1 Da2 Ma1 Ga1 Ri2 Sa"
sriranjani Aaro: "Sa Ri2 Ga1 Ma1 Da2 Ni1 Sa"
Avro: "Sa Ni1 Da2 Ma1 Ga1 Ri2 Sa"
both of them 'karagapriya' janyam, I hope you got the point. So strictly appliying this swara, kaathirunthen kaNavaa definitely a sriranjani based, not bahesri.
- From: Ramki (@ 68.69.214.196)
on: Sun Nov 21 11:55:02 EST 2004
Marsle pattellaam kathu tharaangaLaa?:))
- From: From Mars (@ 66.185.84.68)
on: Sun Nov 21 11:56:55 EST 2004
Ramki, Mars ila solli thaaraanga :))
- From: T (@ 70.20.176.180)
on: Sun Nov 21 12:27:37 EST 2004
ramki, FM ennannavo solrare..:)
- From: purv (@ 137.140.142.87)
on: Sun Nov 21 12:56:45 EST 2004
Ramki, looks like a good pick. I think the more I listen to the song, the more I'll appreciate it.
- From: jn (@ 66.189.42.81)
on: Sun Nov 21 15:48:30 EST 2004
Ramki: Never heard of this song before. Thanks to you and Charumathi and ofcourse alien:)
- From: RR (@ 192.122.134.249)
on: Sun Nov 21 22:27:35 EST 2004
From Mars: We analyzed 'vaa sagi' years ago and Y. Geetha (a carnatic specialist) settled it as sri ranjani. You can check the archives. (BTW, isn't it clear from the 'valluvan' line itself?)
I think 'anne anne' confusion arose because of the movie titles where they put it as Mano's first song. But Mano has himself said several times in interviews that 'thenmozhi' is indeed his first.
- From: From Mars (@ 24.42.156.114)
on: Sun Nov 21 22:51:28 EST 2004
RR, I'll check it out :)
yup, the title said so, so I thought it as well. Did mano sing under name babu?
- From: Ravi (@ 192.147.57.6)
on: Sun Nov 21 23:54:58 EST 2004
I think Mano was known as 'Nagoor Babu' (or something similar) in TeFM.
- From: raj (@ 61.246.255.3)
on: Mon Nov 22 00:48:27 EST 2004
yes Anne anne nee enna sonne was by Mano (Nagur babu)
BTW themozhi was not spoiled by Mano
Spoiling means what Udit/sukwinder does
- From: Ramki (@ 68.69.214.196)
on: Mon Nov 22 17:30:25 EST 2004
mmm i dont see any similarity between Kaathirundhen and thenmozhi.
vijay can tell me which portion of the second charanam(i assume it is the charanam that starts as 'madhana vizhigaL mayanga mayanga')
purv and JN thanks :)
- From: Ramki (@ 68.69.214.196)
on: Wed Nov 24 19:07:05 EST 2004
Heres a 'pick of mid-week' :) This is just a filler song until our next pick.
http://newtfmpage.com/cgi-bin/stream.pl?url=http://newtfmpage.com/songs/idho.rm
-One of my favorite songs from sigaram. Excellent lyrics by VM(except the last line of second charanam), beautiful voice of chitra and SPB makes this song very enjoyable.
- From: RR (@ 192.122.134.249)
on: Thu Nov 25 01:08:32 EST 2004
It's a simple melody. It's elevated, as you pointed out, by the good lyrics and soulful rendition of SPB & KSC.
I think we concur on the favorite lines:
"SPB: en vaazhkayennum koppayil ithu enna baanamo
parugaamale rusi aerudhe ithu enna jaalamo"
and the excellent rejoinder
"KSC: pasi enbathe rusi allavaa"
- From: geno (@ 61.2.33.163)
on: Thu Nov 25 15:08:55 EST 2004
RR,
>> "KSC: pasi enbathe rusi allavaa" >>
That was poignant no?!!!!! :=)
That song always brings me the goosebumps! :=)
Ramki,
>> Excellent lyrics by VM(except the last line of second charanam) >>
entha varigaLai kuRippidukiReerkaL?
"nee keerthanai - nAn prArthanai
porunthAmal pOgumA"
intha varigaLaiyA?!!
I guess VM refers to the "standard" usage of "keerthanaikaL" for "invocation of the divine"?
And it also jells with the situation of the lovers(him being a music director and she a singer)
:=)
- From: hehehewalrus (@ 130.127.104.185)
on: Thu Nov 25 16:55:08 EST 2004
geno,
plz contribute in the pulamaipithan thread(info + analysis)
:-)
- From: Ramki (@ 68.69.214.196)
on: Thu Nov 25 18:03:55 EST 2004
Geno
-IMO that line looks out of place in the beautiful poem..like a jarring note.
He could have written 'nee thenkural naan mellisai inaiyaamal pogumaa' :)
Btw do you know the situation of the song? I havent watched the movie but loved almost all the songs from the film(except on spshailaja solo-all other songs were good)
- From: Ramki (@ 68.69.214.196)
on: Thu Nov 25 20:30:26 EST 2004
Heres a new pick of the week
-'aruvi kooda jadhiyillaamal' From 'Gowri, Manohari', A classical duet by KJY and SPB.
http://newtfmpage.com/cgi-bin/stream.pl?url=http://newtfmpage.com/songs/aruvi.rm
The MD was a new guy(one film wonder?).
I watched this movie on Malaysian TV few years ago. It was actually a very good film with all new faces.All the songs were good. SPB,SJ and KJY were the main singers.
Its story about daughter of a music guru torn between her ex husband and new lover. This song is for the music guru and the lover.
-This is my translation of Mrs Charumathi analysis of the song. My apologies if i messed up with any technical info in my translation.
aruvi kooda jadhiyilaamal is based on 'sudha dhanyaasi' raagam . The raagam has the following aaroganam
and avaragonam
aaroganam: Sa Ga1 Ma1 Pa Ni1 Sa
avaragonam: Sa Ni1 Pa Ma1 Ga1 Sa
Sudha dhanyasi is janya raagam of karaharapriya.
chathurasra jathi, ekathaaLam, thisra nadai(gadhi) are
other features of this song.
The song, that starts with the thampura sruthi and carnatic aalapana, is mixed with brighas that touches 'thaarasthaayi
panjamam'.
Though the interludes has tabla, mridhangam,flute and keyboard, the interlude between pallavi and anupallavi
is devoid of any music but filled with swaras sung by KJY. This is quite unusual for a film song.
The structure of the song is also not in the usual format of a film song. It starts with a pallavi then takes on the
anupallavi/charanam and ends with swaras. This reminds us the style of sangitha mumoorthi Muthusami dikshithar.
The swara saahithyam is set to 'irandaam kaalam' and the music that comes before the starting of swaras is set to 'thisra merkaalam'
The end of swaras changes to '1- am agaaram'. This shows the creativity of the Music director.
To differentiate the swara saahithyam, the MD has used Mridangam along with swaras sung by KJYs and thabla for SPB's .
Though the song is set to chathursara aeka thaaLam, thisra gadhi, strangely the music in between pallavi and anupallavi misses the '1/2 aavarthanam(2 beat korvai).
-Lakshminarayanan Srirangam Ramakrishnan on sudha dhanyasi raagam
Sudha Dhanyasi is another janyam of Thodi ragam. Sa Ga Ma Pa Ni Sa; Sa Ni
Pa Ma Ga Sa. You can also (more appropriately) call it as a janyam of
Nadabhairavi. Illayaraja has been very generous in using this scale. MSV
made an indelible mark in this ragam earlier by presenting "neeyae unaku
enrum nigaraanavan" in balae pandiya. That is really fantastic! He has
wonderfully used the Ga and Ni with gamakam in the song. Illayaraja's first
Sudha Dhanyasi is perhaps siru ponmani in kallukul eeram. Later he gave
ragavanae (illamai kaalangal), pudhiya poovidhu (thendralae ennai thodu)
poojaikaetha poovidhu (?movie), vizhiyil vizhundhu (alaigal oivadhillai),
theem thanana (?enakkul oruvan), manasu mayangum (sippikul muthu), masi
maasam (dharmadurai), nanjai undu punjai (unnal mudiyum thambi), kotti
kidakudhu (theertha karaiyinilae), kadal vanilae (rasayya), unnai edhir
parthaen (vanaja girija). In many of these songs he uses other swaras like
Ri2 etc., and hence cannot be called as pure form. In nanjai undu, he has
not used any foreign notes. Then is it classical ragam? No! K.Balachandar
(a boot licker to Illayaraja at that time, so that he could sell the movie
by publicizing Illayaraja's name), made a big arguement in the movie that
even "nanjai undu punjai" was a pure Sudha Dhanyasi. Dear sir, to call
something as classical, you should present it in a real classical form!
Just going up and down the scale wouldn't make the raga form appear in that
tune! Use the gamakam, use the nuances of the ragam, then even Semmangudi
will call it as Sudha Dhanyasi!
If one changed the kaisiki nishadham (Ni2) of Sudha Dhanyasi to kaakali
nishadham (Ni3), then is there any ragam like that? If so, what is it
called as? Illayaraja has given a couple of songs in this type of scale.
One of them came in the movie poonthotta kavalkaran. Radhika gets pregnant
and then the song goes in the background! I have read in my school biology
class (with lot of curiosity!) that a sperm and an ovum "join" to form a
baby! Look at the way the poet says about this scientific phenomenon in his
poetic language.... Sindhiya vennmani sippiyil muthaachu!! What a nice
euphemistic way of saying a vulgur thing! Gangei Amaran proved himself as a
poet in that song! Illayaraja's tune is so wonderful in that song. It is so
melodious. Vijayakanth specifically said about this song in one of his TV
interviews! Another song that I know in this scale is "o vasantha raja" in
neengal kaetavai. Since Illayaraja changed the Ni2 of Sudha Dhanyasi to Ni3
and made a new ragam out of it, can he proclaim himself as the creator of
this new ragam?
- From: Ramki (@ 68.69.214.196)
on: Thu Nov 25 20:38:44 EST 2004
Oops i forgot to mention the MD's name - its Iniyavan
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