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Raga of song please

Topic started by Gopal Prasad (@ greed.cs.umass.edu) on Sat May 17 07:42:45 EDT 1997.
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The popular notation used on this page. The twelve notes of an octave are the following.

1   2   3   4   5   6   7  8   9  10  11  12
S  R1  R2  R3  G3  M1  M2  P  D1  D2  D3  N3
       G1  G2                     N1  N2

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• From: Rgpm. Sundar (@ 61.11.78.51) on: Wed Aug 7 02:58:47 EDT 2002
  
  Ram,
  Maa ramanan...is a soul-stirring melody composed by Papanasam Sivan and rendered by MS in Sevasadhanam.
  Sundar Atre,
  You are calling me MD Sundar? why? Or it has got some implications? clarify.Again, who wanted Sindhu Bhairavi list of songs? I can off-handed give you some 100 songs in SB right from 1931 to 2002. Most of the songs in the list are hopeless-don't qualify to categorise under raga-based.
  Peter Pan,
  In fact I have commended your rasanai for such an obscure song Kadalil alaigal...which song very few like us only know. Why don't you understand this?
  Whatever,
  None of you seem to have understood my points in depth. I have clearly told who is a purist? See my posting from ...classical musicians with closed mind...deride FM...etc. I just casually remarked once in my previous postings that our MDs need not bother about purists and so there is no question of dragging them here unnecessarily. These musicians, though they enjoy FM,they won't openly admit so saying one anniya swaram had crept in, not pure raga,etc.Understood? ARR is dragged here because even the so called purists like this fellow's music more than the classical gems of 1950s or 40s because they don't know the songs of this era. Pitiable indeed. That's why I told each and every musician today is interested in accepting an offer from ARR or even indirectly cringe for one. See this B.Jayasree, O.S.Arun,Sudha Raghunathan(Eleylo),etc. Nobody could dare miss such an opportunity? Again, reference to MSV's Sindhu bhairavi and IR's Mohanam is only to stress that they don't sit to compose in that particular raga. It comes naturally to him. Dear Whatever, you sound bit rude in your letter. Necessary?
  
  
• From: Ram (@ 134.121.73.88) on: Wed Aug 7 06:51:06 EDT 2002
  
  R.Sundar,
  I really admire ur knowledge on ragas and film music...I'm eagerly looking fwd to know rare gems which we might have missed...many dont know that "maa Ramanan" is a film song...since it is sung in concerts very freq. even I was under the illusion that it was not a film song....thanx for providing the name of the film.
  
  we definitely respect ur knowledge at the same time we all feel that this is not the right place to express ur views on the "so called" purists craving to sing under ARR and pass judgem,ent on present day music directors....If u feel that some song is not a sindhu bairavi Gramatticaly thje go ahead and explain to us that it isn't a sindhubairavi....if u feel that the composition is not upto the mark then this isn't the place to pass ur judgements....each one has his own preferences and likes....some song which mite sound stupid for u mite sound pleasant for me....you sound like a democrat as long as we listen to you....I sincerely believe that you dont intend to be rude....but I personally feel some of ur postings are really harsh and mite hurt someone's feelings...
  
  Pls. talk more abt song u love rather than criticising songs u dont like.
  
  
• From: Sindhuja (@ 203.200.1.222) on: Wed Aug 7 07:47:16 EDT 2002
  
  R.Sundar-what humility and simplicity-that too baar-baar!!!
  
  
• From: Sundar Atre (@ 130.203.162.72) on: Wed Aug 7 07:56:46 EDT 2002
  
  >From: Rgpm. Sundar (@ 61.11.78.51) on: Wed Aug 7 >02:58:47 EDT 2002
  
  >Sundar Atre, You are calling me MD Sundar? why? >Or it has got some implications? clarify.
  
  
  The Sundars in ROS fall into 2 categories: those who know a lot of MDs and those who don't ... making a clear distinction between the 2.
  
  
• From: Sundar Atre (@ ) on: Wed Aug 7 07:59:44 EDT 2002
  
  I think the name of this thread shouldchange from ROS to RS
  
  
• From: satsona (@ 203.199.192.162) on: Wed Aug 7 08:03:46 EDT 2002
  
  Sundar Atre, Sindhuja
  :)
  
  
• From: Sundar Atre (@ 130.203.162.72) on: Wed Aug 7 08:13:20 EDT 2002
  
  Sindhu, I think it must be because of that Baba playing some appropriate ragam on the Rudraveenai. Wonder which one? :)
  
  
• From: Sindhuja (@ 203.200.5.191) on: Wed Aug 7 08:36:11 EDT 2002
  
  :-)
  BTW,lemme repeat-this Rgpm Sundar-modesty to its max.,I must say!!
  
  
• From: Sundar Atre (@ 130.203.162.14) on: Wed Aug 7 09:07:21 EDT 2002
  
  Digression police vandhu yellarayum pudichindu poga poraann
  
  
• From: Sindhuja (@ 203.197.182.22) on: Wed Aug 7 10:08:12 EDT 2002
  
  hehehe :-)
  O.K,let's all stop.
  
  
• From: Sindhuja (@ 203.197.182.22) on: Wed Aug 7 10:08:43 EDT 2002
  
  and really jorry for that...but cudn't control...
  
  
• From: Sundar Atre (@ 130.203.216.54) on: Wed Aug 7 10:48:31 EDT 2002
  
  Some TFM songs can be classified as unwanted while others can be classified s hopeless. I wonder if it depends on the song, the ragam or the MD :)
  
  
• From: Police (@ 38.220.167.232) on: Wed Aug 7 10:52:44 EDT 2002
  
  Dear Sundar and Sindhuja
  
  You both sound a little rude in this forum. Is this necessary? We should restrict our conversations to Raga based songs. Do you understand? Din't anybody tell you this so long?
  
  
• From: Police Again (@ 38.220.167.232) on: Wed Aug 7 10:53:13 EDT 2002
  
  and that was Sundar Atre
  
  
• From: police kitta bhayappadum Sindhuja (@ 203.197.182.160) on: Wed Aug 7 11:03:02 EDT 2002
  
  IR,sorry... :-)
  Today's rudraveeNai-NEone heard of a rAgA called kalyANi dAhini?It is supposed to be the usual (mecha)kalyANi,sans Pa.
  This rAgA supposedly removes "teeya eNNangaL" from 1's mind....
  wud wait for sk to elaborate and transliterate.
  
  
  
• From: Sundar Atre (@ 130.203.216.54) on: Wed Aug 7 12:19:29 EDT 2002
  
  Oh ho, woman constable pola iruku: Mami, chinna mami .... wonder which ragam
  
  
• From: Rgpm Sundar (@ 202.88.153.11) on: Wed Aug 7 13:08:16 EDT 2002
  
  Dear RAm,
  Thanx for ur compliments. I was responding to the accusations on me by Whatever,see the tone of his posting,and that's why I sounded bit harsh.I admit at times I sound pedantic (not harsh)because of the intense passion for TFM. We all know how the MDs of yesteryears have struggled to create melodies to stand for posterity. I know many of my friends started listening CM only after listening TFM of that period. Such was the beauty of the melodies.
  But I am very much worried about the present day FM.What really bothers me is the way our people going crazy for such a worthless stuff. If SPB could get a national award for a song(?) like Thangathamaraimagaley...even the singer himself would have laughed at the jury sitting there. Even SPB's only comment on this was "I am happy I am getting for a tamil film for the first time"-that's all and no word about the song. This jury is selected on what basis? I really don't understand. A genius of MSV has not been awarded but an upstart is getting it thrice. Funny.
  Coming to the sindhubhairavi songs, one should be very careful and choosy about discussing raga-based songs. Just by listening to a song once casually one should not jump to conclusions. It is classical music man, one should have utmost regard for it. The no.of songs can be less but should be acceptable. You see in this list given by our friend S.Atre, the immortal melody Vazhnthalum easum thazhnthalum easum (GR/TMS/K.M.Sheriff/Naan petra selvam) did not figure.
  
  
  
• From: Sundar Atre (@ 130.203.216.54) on: Wed Aug 7 14:09:34 EDT 2002
  
  MD Sundar, it would be far more "pedantic" to go thru the list and emphasize the ones that are good examples and eliminate ones that are not so that there will be a "clean" version floating around. And sure, adding others helps too. There is a subtle but "critical" difference between exhibiting knowledge and transferring it.
  
  
• From: aruLaracan (@ 128.111.113.76) on: Wed Aug 7 14:48:20 EDT 2002
  
  Rgpm sundar (i wanted to call you sundarjI, after saluting you and then standing in attention :-)) ),
  
  first, i think you are an immensely knowledgeable person and i think we (and personally i) will benefit a lot from your postings. but after reading the first (or the second line) of most of your postings, i feel "what the heck, who the hell he thinks of himself to be". this is the thoughts you posts induce in me (and a few others who i chat with). if you really become pedantic for once and shed all you harshness, you will find a lot of sympathetic (not as someone having sympathy for you, but as someone with passion) listeners/readers. please take this as a suggestion, and an advice if you want, and please interpret this posting as "idippArai illAdha EmarA mannan keduppAr ilAnum kedum". regards.
  
  
• From: hihi:-) (@ 128.111.113.76) on: Wed Aug 7 14:49:39 EDT 2002
  
  it should be "who the hell he thinks himself to be".
  
  
• From: Friend (@ 38.220.167.232) on: Wed Aug 7 14:53:40 EDT 2002
  
  What are you guys talking? I dont understand this ;-) - SindhuBhairavi is going to be Sindhu Bhairavi if that is the intended raga - irrespective of who the composer is? Am I wrong in this assumption? Dont give unwanted information here! Maargazhi thingaL allava by ARR is SB, Maayane andha by YSR is SB, Unakenna mela is also SB and other SB's have also been listed above - why would SB be better if say MSV composed in it and why would a good SB number by other MD's sound bad just because the MD is not MSV or SVV or GR. Shouldn't we all be open to any good number by any MD if we are true rasikas of good music? Why this prejudice? When I met MSV the other day ;-), he seemed to appreciate the work of new comers and I dont think MD's themselves ridicule one another as much as we, (whatever/whoever - we are!!!??) tend to do...
  
  
• From: Whatever (@ 206.175.176.2) on: Wed Aug 7 16:44:13 EDT 2002
  
  R.Sundar :
  
  Your post on : Sat Aug 3 00:39:08 EDT 2002
  
  
  MS, Sindhu, Vasu & others,
  First of all you all should understand one thing. Classical music is different and film music is different. I have been telling you don't interpret film music the same way you do for classical music. A film MD has got the liberty to do anything and no grammar is involved. His idea is only to make it acceptable to all and he need not satisfy purists. Any elaborate discussion on ragas in film music will actually be an exercise in futility as I have met MDs from SVVenkataraman(Meera fame) to IR and I was kept on insisted by them only this. They don't even remeber the songs they had composed and in most of the cases the avoided discussing ragas of the songs they had composed openly. okay?
  
  My comments :
  
  You adopted a sermonising tone and that put me - and others - off. Take a look at this post. You, in about four sweeping statements, have implied that we do not know the difference between Classical music and Film music, Film music has no grammar, the Film music composer need not satisfy the 'purists' and you have dropped a few names. In later posts you have continued the trend by saying that Bhupen Hazarika and MSV compose mainly in Mohanam and IR in Sindhubhairavi. That statement has been refuted by many here who have posted concrete examples. Peter Pan has given other instances where IR has used various other ragas and questioned your statement. To top it all, you have been railing against this 'recent trend' and ARR in particular.
  
  As regards the tone of my post, "As you sow, so you reap". I desisted from posting for a long while on this thread but the tone of your earlier posts pushed me past the edge. If I sounded rude, I probably was. If one can tone down the rhetoric and name-dropping and focus on the topic of discussion, one can have some constructive sharing of views. I am willing to stick to the topic. Are you?
  
  By the way, you still have not addresses the issues that Peter Pan, MS and others including me have brought up.
  
  

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