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Raga of song please

Topic started by Gopal Prasad (@ greed.cs.umass.edu) on Sat May 17 07:42:45 EDT 1997.
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The popular notation used on this page. The twelve notes of an octave are the following.

1   2   3   4   5   6   7  8   9  10  11  12
S  R1  R2  R3  G3  M1  M2  P  D1  D2  D3  N3
       G1  G2                     N1  N2

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• From: Ram (@ 63.161.25.156) on: Mon Aug 5 23:17:19 EDT 2002
  
  >>>>>>Carnatic musicians do not understand the lyrics that they are singing<<<<<<<<<
  ippo konja kaalama that is the case in film songs too in my opinion....thanx to udit Narayan,Sadana sargam,Sukhwinder singh & co.;-)
  
  
• From: s0 (@ 128.119.85.50) on: Mon Aug 5 23:36:08 EDT 2002
  
  Whatever: By saying that FM songs need not follow the rules laid by carnatic, I'm not saying that it lacks grammar. I'm in no way belittling FM. At the same time, the aspects of FM grammar that you mentioned - situation, mood... are present in carnatic too. IMHO, these aspects are more like boundary conditions and constraints rather than how-to-do-it, how-not-to-do-it grammatic rules. All IMHO. And thanks for feeding my ego and making my day (night!!).
  
  Ram: with UN, SS et al , it is more like the listeners not understanding the lyrics that they are singing :)
  
  
• From: Ram (@ 63.161.25.156) on: Tue Aug 6 00:18:39 EDT 2002
  
  s0,
  sila samayan the listener can misunderstand the lyrics like "periyamma poNNai rasikkalaam thappillai" while the actual lyrics is "piriyamaana poNNai rasikkalaam thappillai";-)
  
  
• From: Ragapravaham Sundar (@ 61.11.81.185) on: Tue Aug 6 00:21:50 EDT 2002
  
  Halo Whatever,
  Thanks to friends like you, this thread is becoming more and more interesting now. More and more informative and juicy to read. You see,who is a purist? Probably you have not come across classical musicians with closed mind who do not know even a bit in film music but deride film music &speak ill of it.I very frequently come across such persons who call themselves purists and going for unalloyed classicism. Third-rate hypocrites! If you want I can even name them. MSV once clearly told me that his work is only to embellish a tune without minding even a bit about anniya swarams or minniya swarams. I repeat, in most of the cases MDs do not even know the names of the ragas. Influenced by some tunes heard before or by some inspiration within themselves, they compose. MSV's most of the compositions in Sindhu Bhairavi,IRs most...in Mohanam,if one analyses, testify to this. To satisy a lay man (note not the elite) why should they worry about grammar & syntax. We people know how well he did for Pattum Bharathamum. What is the use? The film was a flop. The songs are remembered only be a very very few. NOw the FM scenario is totally hopeless particularly after the advent of ARR. MSV could not even enjoy the patronage for his beautiful songs which his successor enjoyed because of the change in trend overall during late 70s. Agree? I pity the classical musicians today who crave to sing for films under ARR just to become popular overnight and to gather some good crowd for the concerts. Today you know, right from Semmangudi to some Master/Baby singer, everybody is ready to sing for ARR. Damn with this third rate O-podu trend.
  
  
• From: Dorai (@ 12.144.36.2) on: Tue Aug 6 08:46:27 EDT 2002
  
  Can anyone suggest the raaga for the song "Shakthi Kodu..." from Baba ?. Especially the "Thayum Neeye... Thandhayum Neeye... " part
  
  
• From: Whatever (@ ) on: Tue Aug 6 11:54:00 EDT 2002
  
  R.Sundar :
  
  I indeed have come across classical musicians who pride themselves on being 'purists'. I am not interested in names that you drop. That is neither here nor there.
  
  You have still not addressed the issues that I brought up. If you do not give a jot about 'purists', why at all bring them into this discussion?
  
  Saying that most of MSV's compositions are in Sindhubhairavi and IR's in Mohanam is, to say the least, an over-simplification. But each, in his own way, has brought out the flavour of these ragas, would you not agree?
  
  And, pray, why are you bringing ARR into this?
  
  
• From: IR (@ 38.220.167.234) on: Tue Aug 6 12:37:21 EDT 2002
  
  So Sundar, what are your thoughts and opinion on the usage of SindhuBhairavi in FM - by various MD's right from SVV to ARR....
  
  
• From: Sindhuja (@ 203.197.182.140) on: Tue Aug 6 13:31:11 EDT 2002
  
  enna satham inda neRam-lovely sindhubhairavi with beautiful,unexpected twists.....
  BTW,IR,mail vandudA?
  
  
• From: Sundar Atre (@ 130.203.216.54) on: Tue Aug 6 14:07:41 EDT 2002
  
  I found all these S/B listings at: http://www.geocities.com/promiserani2/ragass.html#sindu%20bhairavi
  
  This will allow MD Sundar to comment
  
  
  anbu onru taan (T.R. kaLLappiraan)
  annakkiLi unnai tEDudE (annakkiLi)
  cidambaranai tigambaranai (madurai G.S. maNi)
  cittamellaam enakku shiva mayamE (tiruvaruTcelvar)
  eeDillaa kaadalar paarinil naamE (navajeevanam)
  ennai yaarenru eNNi eNNi nee (paalum pazhamum)
  enna sattam inda nEram (punnagai mannan)
  kaana vittaikkiNai kalaigaLil uNDO (aadittan kanavu)
  kaaTrinilE varum geetam (meera)
  kalyaaNa malai konDaaDum peNNE (pudu pudu artangaL)
  kaNNaara kaaNpadanrO kaadal (raajakumaari)
  maanE tEnE kaTTi pudi (udaya geetam)
  maayamE (missiyammaa)
  malaiyai koNarndu veeyum (Ekanaadar)
  ?maNappara maadu (makkaLai peTra makaraasi)
  maNi Osai kETTu ezhundu (payanangal muDivadillai)
  *mutu maNi maalai (cinna kownDer)
  naanoru sindu (sindu bhairavi)
  nalla peNmaNi miga nalla peNmaNi (maNamagaL)
  nilave mugam kaaTu (yejamaan)
  ondraanavan (tiruviLaiyaaDal)
  oru naalum unai maravada (yejamaan)
  o veNNilaavE (aananda kummi)
  puduppeNNin manattai toTTu (paraashakti)
  raaman ettanai raamanaDi (lakshmi kalyaaNam)
  raama raama raama raama (bhakta tuLasidaas)
  sariyaa tappaa sariyaa tappaa (kooNDukkiLi)
  senbagamE (enga oor paaTTu kaaran)
  taamarai pootta taDaakamaDi - also hindustaan gaandhaari (M.M. danDapaaNi dEshikar)
  tirunaaL kooTTattilE teruvilennai (nyaanasowndari)
  ?tiruttaNi murugaa (madraas To pondiceri)
  teeraada viLaiyaaTTu piLLai - aadi (vEdaaLa ulagam)
  teertta kalaiyinilE terku mulaiyilE (varumaiyin niram sigappu)
  toTTadarkellaam tappeDuttalenna (haridaas)
  toTTil kaTTum yOgam onrai (tyaagam)
  unakkenna melE nindraay (simlaa special)
  vaazhavil sugam maruvu seerellam (vElaikkaari)
  vaazhndaalum Esum taazhndaalum (naan peTRa selvam)
  vadanamE candra bimbamO (siva kavi)
  valayOsai kalakalavena (satya)
  vannimarattaDi piLLaiyaarukku (T.R. kaLLappiraan)
  vanpasi piNikkuNavu nam kaiyil (asOkkumaar)
  venkaTaacala nilayam vaikunta puravaasam (purandaradaasar)
  viDiya viDiya nadanum (idayattai tiruDaade)
  
  
• From: hehehe (@ 38.220.167.234) on: Tue Aug 6 14:16:32 EDT 2002
  
  :-) Sundar Atre :-) Most of the songs you have listed are useless... anyway...
  
  Sindhu - checku email :-)
  
  
• From: Sundar Atre (@ 130.203.216.54) on: Tue Aug 6 14:33:24 EDT 2002
  
  You mean unwanted? :)
  
  
• From: IR (@ 38.220.167.234) on: Tue Aug 6 17:16:10 EDT 2002
  
  Dorai, the song seems to be yamuna KalyaNi based - for most part...
  
  
• From: Peter Pan (@ 170.140.253.132) on: Tue Aug 6 18:12:11 EDT 2002
  
  R Sundar,
  The Anann oru kovil song does seem to have shades of Charukesi.
  
  Sorry, I mistook it for another Shivaji's movie. The name Annan Oru Kovil itself is self-explanatory ;)
  Nandkauns from what I found is a combination of jOg and Malkauns(HindhOLam).
  
  Anyway, I don't understand what this mistake of mine has to do with my rasanai of the SPB song, 'kadalil AlaigaL pongum'? :)
  
  Though I agree with you on some of the points, I think you are over-simplifying the MSV-Sindhu Bhairavi and IR-Mohanam fixation. I can understand such an argument for the music of an S.A. Rajkumar or a Sirpi. There are as many songs of IR (and perhaps more) in KeeravANi, ShankarabharaNam and KalyANi as there are in Mohanam.
  Also, I can buy the argument that the MD may not be paying attention to what raga it is when he composes for say a Mohanam or a ShankarabharaNam. But how can he not consciously use a raga like MalayamArutam, Rasika ranjani, KanakAngi, pAvani, Dharmavathy, Hemavathy, Gowri ManoHari, VagulAbharaNam, Rasikapriya, ChitrAmbari, Samudrapriya, etc.?
  
  S. Atre,
  Here are more Sindhubhairavi numbers of IR to add to that list:
  Oh VeNNilAve - Anandha Kummi
  MAnE ThEnE Kattippudi- Udaya Geetham
  Kadalila ezhugira alaigal - Chembaruthi
  PoongAtru Pudhithanathu - MoondrAm piRai
  Muthirai IppOdhu- Uzhaippali
  Maniyosai kEttu - PayanangaL Mudivathillai
  
  
• From: Sundar Atre (@ 130.203.216.54) on: Tue Aug 6 20:22:22 EDT 2002
  
  Peter Pan:
  
  The above list already contains:
  Oh VeNNilAve - Anandha Kummi
  MAnE ThEnE Kattippudi- Udaya Geetham
  Maniyosai kEttu - PayanangaL Mudivathillai
  
  By this time you should be able to read lists. What is this? Didn't expect this from a guy who knows nandkauns :)
  
  
• From: IR (@ 4.64.198.150) on: Tue Aug 6 21:16:38 EDT 2002
  
  :-) :-)
  
  
• From: Ram (@ 63.161.25.156) on: Tue Aug 6 22:26:25 EDT 2002
  
  another wonderful Sindu bairavi's by IR are
  
  aattamaa therottamaa-captain prabhakaran
  
  I dunno whether it was accidentally composed by ARR or he intended to compose in Sindubairavi but he has given a very good SB in Sangamam in the song "Margazhi thingaL allavaa"
  
  
• From: Ram (@ 63.161.25.156) on: Tue Aug 6 22:38:38 EDT 2002
  
  by IR are =by IR is...kaalam maari pOche film music la grammar mistake kandu pudikaravanga postinglaiyum grammar mistake kandu pudikkarathukku munnadi munthikkaren;-)
  
  
• From: sk (@ 137.132.3.7) on: Tue Aug 6 23:28:48 EDT 2002
  
  http://www.vikatan.com/av/2002/jul/28072002/av0203.shtml
  
  
• From: Ram (@ 63.161.25.156) on: Wed Aug 7 01:09:35 EDT 2002
  
  R.Sundar,
  can you tell me in which film did the Hindolam number "maa ramanan" came?
  
  

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