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COPYING - IN TAMIL FILM HISTORY

Topic started by s.senthilkumar (@ 203.197.154.163) on Mon Jan 24 07:23:36 EST 2000.
All times in EST +10:30 for IST.

i think "copying" is there for a long time in tamil film history.Here we discuss the tamil songs copied from others.

For a compilation of copied/inspired songs: http://copied.newtfmpage.com

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• From: comment (@ 63.225.175.228) on: Mon Feb 26 17:55:06 EST 2001
  
  rajag..it is all because of this new album.... "nothing but bench"
  :)
  
  
• From: Swamiji (@ 198.102.112.201) on: Mon Feb 26 18:14:51 EST 2001
  
  If a layman is zero, shall I start teaching you A B C D? Coz to me, thats a zero...
  
  
• From: Swamiji (@ 198.102.112.201) on: Mon Feb 26 18:18:05 EST 2001
  
  Mr Laymen, whats your level? Even if you are on top of Mount Everest, you are still a zero...if thats what you mean..
  Sorry guys, somethings got over me today. Theres a level to being stoooopid....
  
  
• From: Fliflo (@ 146.186.113.254) on: Mon Feb 26 18:20:45 EST 2001
  
  
  Since we are talking about music, I am looking for such a person to teach...I love learning..that too from big brains...Thanks for coming forward willingly.
  
  
  
• From: Fliflo (@ 146.186.113.254) on: Mon Feb 26 18:31:04 EST 2001
  
  I hate doing this...I stop here...I am sorry for this Cow Dung (BS).
  
  
• From: aruLaracan (@ 134.124.160.10) on: Mon Feb 26 18:48:56 EST 2001
  
  nothing but bench??? comment that is a good title. hey, btw, i have been breaking my head to come up with a good song for your composition. very difficult chandhams. good work. (btw, i am known to be very cheap. i have lost many girls because of that :-)) )
  
  
• From: rajaG (@ 208.24.179.208) on: Mon Feb 26 18:55:17 EST 2001
  
  aruLaracan: Statistics la analysis of variance (MANOVA) theriyumilla? Multiple variates irukkarachchEy, explaining all of the 'causes' for rejection to 'being cheap' alone is wrong interpretation illiyaa? :-)
  
  
• From: comment (@ 63.225.175.228) on: Mon Feb 26 19:50:01 EST 2001
  
  arul
  inna sei tharai oruthal avar nana nan nayam seidhu vidal, u have followed this.(including the list girls :) .
  take your time on the song or I can send you a easy one :)
  
  
• From: Karthik S (@ 164.164.82.22) on: Tue Feb 27 07:19:52 EST 2001
  
  I really would like to steer this thread back to its topic, instead of going thru so many frustration-exchanges...
  
  Just wondering...if its question of a song like Mugavari's o nenje nenje, it had bits of initial parts copied. But if its a question of the same film's 'poo...' number where its exactly replicated from the song 'that thing you do' isnt there any way that one can make Deva responsible for his plagiarism?
  
  For that matter, even SAR did a exact replica of Junoon's Sayonee. Since Junoon is a Pakistani band and might be clued in to Indian film music, suppose they come across our man SAR's version in some channel, isnt there any way they can seek legal respite for such nonsense?
  
  I had read recently that Michael Jackson was fined some heavy amount for not acknowledging the source of some Italian composer's piece which he had used in his album, (I think) Thriller. Is Indian law so lenient that people like Deva and SAR can get away with such degrees of copying?
  
  --Karthik
  
  
• From: genius (@ 206.236.38.130) on: Wed Feb 28 18:23:11 EST 2001
  
  Karthik
  Just find sources on the net, that you can use
  and lead to the original sources. Once they become aware of such a thing is going on in India, they can put a "Pillayaar suzhi" for killing all this nonsense !!!!
  
  
• From: vijay (@ 129.252.222.2) on: Thu Mar 1 01:02:13 EST 2001
  
  Guys, I had contributed some of the audio clips to the copied songs list which u can see if u click the link at the top of this thread. It would be nice if someone could just come out with some more audio links or sources for those songs(original and tamil)so that it would help in verifying those copies.
  
  
• From: VINOD .K. ALANGARAM (@ 203.199.238.251) on: Sat Mar 3 07:54:31 EST 2001
  
  GREAT JOB INDEED!
  BUT TRY TO BE MORE SPECIFIC, BY GIVING THE ARTISTS NAME AND SONG NAME (ORIGINAL ONE).
  BE UPDATING OFTEN.
  ALL TYHE BEST .
  
  
• From: Karthik S (@ 164.164.82.22) on: Wed Mar 7 03:32:05 EST 2001
  
  This may not have anything to do with TFM but I feel it might impact it very soon!
  
  Sandeep Chowta has said to a few magazines and sites that he has started a new trend by acknowledging the source of his inspirations, in his album, pyar tune kya kiya.
  
  I was wondering how much Sandeep Chowta got inspiration for his music in Pyar tune kya kiya, ever since he gave out a press release that he
  has acknowledged a European musician for a song in this album!
  
  The musician happens to be Wojceich Killar and Sandeep has lifted the tune for one of his songs from Killar's song 'Vampire Hunters'. The
  PTKK soundtrack mentions the names
  W Killar/Sandeep Chowta for the
  song 'Roundhe hain mujko tera pyaar' sung by Alisha Chinoy and again by Sowmya, separately.
  
  Vampire hunters is part of the soundtrack for the movie Bram Stroker's Dracula. I listened to the original and was stunned to find it exactly same as our Sandeep's score! The tune is incredible, BTW!! This is no inspiration. Sandeep has worked probably on the backgrounds and orchestration, a bit, but the basic tune is exactly same! I'm not sure if this would fall under 'inspiration'.
  
  Again, is it enough that you give credit to somebody like this? Doesnt the original composers consent count? What if Deva adds a small note in the album cover of Mugavari acknowledging Dr Alban, The Wonders, Backstreet boys etc? Is that enough!? Just wondering!
  
  For Sandeep's song 'Roundhe hain':
  http://www.indiafm.com/audio/2001/ptkk.shtml
  (Fourth song)
  
  For Wojceich Killar's original version 'Vampire hunters', you can download it from here (1.6MB):
  http://hammer.prohosting.com/~arr/vampirehunters.rm
  
  Rgds
  Karthik
  
  
• From: IR-fan (@ 192.135.244.69) on: Wed Mar 7 07:00:34 EST 2001
  
  good work Karthik.
  
  
• From: UV (@ 134.113.201.48) on: Wed Mar 7 09:49:31 EST 2001
  
  I think in the film Mugavari most of the songs are lifted from various source
  I think one song 'Aye Keechu Kiliye' is a straight lift from Dr. Alban song forgot the original score though,
  and another one Nenje is lift from Backstreet Boys Well done Deva
  
  
• From: Venki (@ 12.35.64.19) on: Wed Mar 7 17:00:36 EST 2001
  
  It looks like ARR was highly inspired by the song
  'Yeh Lal Rang' from the Hindi movie Premnagar.
  
  The out come was Roja Roja in Kadalar dinam.
  
  Please find the song from the following link.
  
  http://songs.swaramalika.com/cgi-bin/media/search.cgi?lang=hindi&film=Premnagar&exact=1
  
  Venki
  
  
• From: aruLaracan (@ 134.124.160.10) on: Thu Mar 8 14:10:19 EST 2001
  
  hi karthik.s: where are Wojceich Killar's albums available? vampire hunters is too good to miss.
  
  
• From: hihi:-) (@ 134.124.160.10) on: Thu Mar 8 14:12:31 EST 2001
  
  :-))). i am sorry. i didn't notice it was from dracula soundtrack. :-))))) (vaziyal :) )
  
  
• From: Karthik S (@ 164.164.82.22) on: Thu Mar 8 22:28:27 EST 2001
  
  Dear Arul,
  
  The rest of the tracks from Bram Stroker's Dracula are available here in mp3 format!
  
  <http://129.15.132.117/sounds/Soundtracks/Movies/Bram Stoker's Dracula/>
  
  --Karthik
  
  
• From: Karthik S (@ 164.164.82.22) on: Thu Mar 8 22:29:29 EST 2001
  
  Sorry, copy that whole URL and try it...if its not working.
  
  --Karthik
  
  
• From: NagaS (@ 202.169.129.72) on: Fri Mar 9 03:33:46 EST 2001
  
  Karthik S,
  
  copy that whole URL
  
  As per this thread, We don't encourage people who 'COPY' ;-)))
  
  NagaS
  
  
• From: Karthik S (@ 164.164.82.22) on: Fri Mar 9 08:10:56 EST 2001
  
  Naga:
  
  You said it right! :-)
  
  I had sent this info to indya.com too and the msg I got from them was this!
  
  "In response to your e-Mail, we would like to inform you that we have appreciated the entire album in our review, and not just the one song. The song has been credited to both of them. We have no reasons to believe Sandeep didn't add value to it. And we can't judge it till we know how the song is used in the film. Also, the praise for the album in the review is for the overall album and not the song. We appreciate your understanding on the same."
  
  All I wanted was an open discussion on how feasible is a 'mere' credit when you 'lift' others songs! This is not about credit...assuming a song which has 2 credits, becomes a huge success, who gets the praise then? Was the original composer consulted before the lift? Did he agree to the act?
  
  There are so many things involved in it, so Sandeep cannot escape merely by adding Killar's name! Even in that the album has absolutely no other info just says 'W Killar'! Ideally, if he really wants to share credit then it should also mention his full name, where has this been featured originally, and who worked on that!
  
  Pity!
  
  --Karthik
  
  
• From: aruLaracan (@ 134.124.160.10) on: Fri Mar 9 11:52:57 EST 2001
  
  credit koduththAlum kodukkAviTTAlum copy copy thAn. couldn't believe that a person who gave a song like eTaveLLi pOyindhi manasu would do this. :-(
  
  
  thanks karthik.s.
  
  
• From: Ramki (@ 64.244.40.35) on: Mon Mar 12 08:30:01 EST 2001
  
  Its KR now. First two lines of 'desingu raaja desingu raaja ' from dum dum dum is exactly similar to ARR's 'onnu rendu moonuda pengaLai paarada' from Pudhiya MannargaL
  
  
• From: Karthik S (@ 164.164.82.22) on: Tue Mar 13 00:10:24 EST 2001
  
  Onnu rendu moonu and desingu raja do seem similar for the first 3 or 4 words but i think its not intended by KR specifically!
  
  KR however has better cases of copies. Like the Evita song, Buenos Aires which he lifted for 'hello enthan kaadhala' in naam iruvar namakku iruvar. I'd try posting a real audio file of the original.
  
  And my personal fave! Ullasam's 'solare' song. I wouldnt call it a direct copy but a very subtle lift - a true inspiration.
  
  The original is a song by Dubai based Bhangra singer, Sukhbir - 'Oi Tiresto'. Listen to this song and you could traces of solare all over...in the tune pattern...but Karthikraja has definitely worked on his song.
  
  Again, Sukhbir is not the most original of composers. he had blatantly lifted Israeli singer Ishtar's (she sings for the band, Alabina, alongwith the gypsy cousin quartet Los ninos de sara) song 'alabina' for his 'yalla yalla' which was on air in Indian music channels occasionally.
  
  And I found out that even his Oi Tiresto is not his own. So its possible that KR has been influenced by the original oi tiresto and that might have much more of what KR has done in Ullasam.
  
  Sukhbir's version of Oi Tiresto is:
  http://hammer.prohosting.com/~arr/Sukhbir_Oi_Tiresto.rm
  
  You comments please...
  
  --Karthik
  
  
  
• From: Karthik S (@ 164.164.82.22) on: Tue Mar 13 00:13:17 EST 2001
  
  A follow-up to my last msg...
  
  Oi Tiresto (not sure if its by Sukhbir or another artist) is part of a compliation called 'Cafe Latino'...I found this info from a Zaire'ean site...
  http://www.click2music.co.za/cgi-bin/release.pl?albumid=11
  
  Anybody have more info on the original 'Oi tiresto'?
  
  --Karthik
  
  

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