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COPYING - IN TAMIL FILM HISTORY

Topic started by s.senthilkumar (@ 203.197.154.163) on Mon Jan 24 07:23:36 EST 2000.
All times in EST +10:30 for IST.

i think "copying" is there for a long time in tamil film history.Here we discuss the tamil songs copied from others.

For a compilation of copied/inspired songs: http://copied.newtfmpage.com

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• From: Fliflo (@ 146.186.113.254) on: Mon Feb 26 11:41:21 EST 2001
  
  kiru;
  
  you did a good job. I just checked with Jeans album.
  
  http://songs.swaramalika.com/cgi-bin/media/search.cgi?lang=tamil&film=Jeans&exact=1
  
  compare with PG's
  
  http://www.reliablehost.com/planetearthmusic/PassionMusicForLastTemp_ist.htm
  
  
  Starting beats of Jeans is a direct lift from PG's Of these, hope. Just compare and evaluvate yourself. It has already been documented here! How nice to have a full album...
  
  
• From: Fliflo (@ 146.186.113.254) on: Mon Feb 26 11:44:16 EST 2001
  
  Sorry...the corresponding song in Jeans is "Anbe..Anbe"
  
  
• From: comment (@ 63.225.172.138) on: Mon Feb 26 11:51:01 EST 2001
  
  out of blind love for IR, pg is trashing others,
  also nice to see "PG" having bombay,...
  
  
  
  
• From: Trend (@ 216.68.113.227) on: Mon Feb 26 12:06:20 EST 2001
  
  pg,
  
  I checked my "Neengal Kettavai" CD and Cassette and I didn't see any acknowledgements there.
  So I concluded that "Neengal Kettavai" is a 100% original album.
  
  
• From: kiru (@ 192.138.149.4) on: Mon Feb 26 12:17:12 EST 2001
  
  Bach's scores are surely in the public domain. That is why you see so many 'cheap' classical music CDs. American law says, that music/literature/pieces of artistic composition have copyright protection only upto 75years. I guess other countries laws' are not very different (considering America is very much into copyrights).
  
  
• From: Trend (@ 216.68.113.227) on: Mon Feb 26 12:26:02 EST 2001
  
  Kiru,
  
  Legally and Geographically what IR did is correct.
  I agree with you.
  
  
• From: kiru (@ 192.138.149.4) on: Mon Feb 26 12:35:23 EST 2001
  
  Trend,
  It is musically/ethically/artistically correct. It is a true creative exercise. I am not sure whether you have HTNI in the first place. If you did, you will understand it is ridiculous to say it is a copy/inspiration. You frustrate me !!
  
  
  
• From: Trend (@ 216.68.113.227) on: Mon Feb 26 12:45:44 EST 2001
  
  Kiru,
  
  I'm sorry if I frustrated you.
  The point is:
  Based on what we have been talking in this site as an inspiration/copying.I think it falls in that category.I may be wrong.
  
  Since I frustrated you, disregard my other queries to you.I will also try not to comment on your valuable postings here.
  But I don't understand what frustrated you.I just used a variation of your logic I think.
  
  
• From: kiru (@ 192.138.149.4) on: Mon Feb 26 12:57:36 EST 2001
  
  Trend,
  You should first listen to HTNI. You wouldn't say this if you did. I could to some extent understand the frustration that IR has to go through. I have faced similar situations in work too :(. If people dont like your work it is okay, but if they dont understand what you are trying to do, it is really bad.
  Anyways, listen to more of IR's compositions even if you dont like them initially. You will soon be able to appreciate his compositions.
  No, I am not really frustrated. I dont take these things personally. I am here to understand various ways of doing music. Not necessarily to insist on my choice of composer as the best, even though I have opinions in that regard.
  
  
• From: Trend (@ 216.68.113.227) on: Mon Feb 26 13:38:25 EST 2001
  
  Kiru,
  
  IR and ARR are my two favourite composers.Though I like ARR better than IR,I listen to both of them voraciously.I have listened to HTNI a lot of times.I think it has been inspired based on the degree we have been applying to classify a composition as a inspiration.
  I think I'm just playing by the rules.
  
  I would also like to know ways of making music.I'm also interested in people's views on this irrespective of their knowledge.
  
  "If people dont like your work it is okay, but if they dont understand what you are trying to do, it is really bad"
  I completely agree with you here.But this
  applies to both IR and ARR.
  
  Anyway,it is good to know you were not really frustrated and also didn't take anything personally.
  
  
• From: aruLaracan (@ 134.124.160.10) on: Mon Feb 26 15:32:16 EST 2001
  
  posting ala swamiji:
  
  learn bach and thyagarAjar. you will understand how different they are!! listen to htni. you will understand how not different they are!!!!! please don't write something just to keep the discussion going.
  
  :-))) chamber welcomes thyAgarAja, i met bach at my house, ...and we had a talk are creations of a keen mind which understands both these disparate genres very well. (i happened to listen to another tfm composers attempt at "orchestrating" carnatic compositions in collaboration with a now dead famous singer - wow! his voice is devine! - and it sucked big time. it was painful to listen to nagumOmuganalE! :-(( just a point of view. no fights please.)
  
  
• From: pg (@ 12.20.190.1) on: Mon Feb 26 15:52:38 EST 2001
  
  aruLaracan :
  You are trodding on dangerous paths !!
  You are certain to invite 'comment' s!
  
  
• From: Fliflo (@ 146.186.113.254) on: Mon Feb 26 15:53:13 EST 2001
  
  Recycling "May Madham" songs
  
  http://www.themusicmagazine.com/loveyouhamesha.html
  
  
• From: Swamiji (@ 198.102.112.201) on: Mon Feb 26 15:56:54 EST 2001
  
  What is your point aruL? When did I write that "Something" to keep discussion going?
  
  
• From: Swamji (@ 198.102.112.201) on: Mon Feb 26 16:00:53 EST 2001
  
  HeHeHe HoHo....You know what, I better stick to doing my job...
  
  So long guys...
  
  
• From: Fliflo (@ 146.186.113.254) on: Mon Feb 26 16:03:26 EST 2001
  
  Swami;
  
  Why suddenly late realisation.
  
  
• From: aruLaracan (@ 134.124.160.10) on: Mon Feb 26 16:37:49 EST 2001
  
  swami i think you missed the "a la" before writing your first response:-)).
  
  pg: :-)))). i wanted to write this for a long time, but didn't want to hurt some "fan's" feelings ;)
  
  
• From: :( (@ 63.225.175.228) on: Mon Feb 26 16:46:42 EST 2001
  
  arul, you failed to read the essence in my posting, i tried to post just like flifo, most of his copy statement are so childish, without musical sense.
  
  arul...being cheap is pg's plus point, now it is yours too..pg and arul -
  Irku nalla sombu adinga...kovil katunga,
  in this process, matha mds ku SamAthi..katunga...
  no one can "comment" or no "fan" will try stop you.
  
  
• From: pg (@ 12.20.190.1) on: Mon Feb 26 16:49:57 EST 2001
  
  fan alias comment
  
  I guess giving unwanted advice to everybody is your plus point ...
  
  
• From: comment (@ 63.225.175.228) on: Mon Feb 26 17:06:55 EST 2001
  
  sombu..oops pg it proves again...
  
  
• From: comment (@ 63.225.175.228) on: Mon Feb 26 17:08:09 EST 2001
  
  sombu..oops pg it proves again...
  
  
• From: Venki (@ 12.35.64.19) on: Mon Feb 26 17:18:13 EST 2001
  
  Just closing the strike tag
  
  
• From: Venki (@ 12.35.64.19) on: Mon Feb 26 17:18:50 EST 2001
  
  
  
  
• From: Fliflo (@ 146.186.113.254) on: Mon Feb 26 17:21:12 EST 2001
  
  Mr. nameless;
  
  Remember, I did not come with different names to shut their mouths like you..I did not comment on individuvals who post any kind of material here....unfortunately, I miss all these great adult characters and stuck in a position of being named "childish". Well rather than being like you adult I wish to stay like how I am...
  
  
  TFM page is just not for people who knows little sound engg., some carnatic and some hi-fi stuffs. I am a layman, a respectable consumer, who pay my hard earned money to buy music. When I am being cheated, I get eligiblility to comment on their music atleast to a layman's level if not to your intelligent levels. If you call this to be "childish" then >50% tamil consumers are "childish" as they stay in the same or lower level than me.
  
  Your great abilities can be discussed in your own thread so that "children" like me won't even poke their noses inside. I reiterate that I am layman, who just hears everybody's music and make comments here. You play everywhere by pulling this "child's name" despite my presence or absence there. You know something. ONLY CHILDREN PLAY WITH FELLOW CHILDREN. A true adult never poke his/her nose in child's activity. Where do you think you stand? I leave it to your great guess.
  
  I have seen your ironic attitude of going against anybody who comments on ARR...You great intelligent guy.how nice it would be to talk about musicians & music and not about people who peep here. I wish this "child" can learn some useful things from you great brains.
  
  By the by, I am just rechecking the title of the topic..."COPYING - IN TAMIL FILM HISTORY"...Am I not suppose to comment on copy stuffs of musicians. I feel I am not wrong anywhere..My posts find a great fit ...I know you're going to go one step ahead after reading this..never mind!
  
  
• From: Swamiji (@ 198.102.112.201) on: Mon Feb 26 17:27:54 EST 2001
  
  Mister Layman...So nice of you to be self-effacing...Even laymen know some basics to start with....seems like you are layman's layman.
  
  
• From: comment (@ 63.225.175.228) on: Mon Feb 26 17:29:49 EST 2001
  
  Flifo, sorry my intention was not to fight or hurt you..., i take back my words.
  let us end this matter here., i have been out of arr/ir fights. something pulled me here.
  
  
• From: Rajni (@ 203.108.191.45) on: Mon Feb 26 17:30:53 EST 2001
  
  Don't visit Tamil Cinema 4 U site. The copy everything from http://www.movies-tamil.com
  
  
  
  
• From: Rajni (@ 203.108.191.45) on: Mon Feb 26 17:31:08 EST 2001
  
  Don't visit Tamil Cinema 4 U site. The copy everything from http://www.movies-tamil.com
  
  
  
  
• From: Fliflo (@ 146.186.113.254) on: Mon Feb 26 17:31:41 EST 2001
  
  There can't be a layman's layman as layman's layman is a layman again. A layman is a 0. 0's 0 is a 0...minus stay at different level...
  
  
• From: stop! (@ 204.255.14.188) on: Mon Feb 26 17:34:39 EST 2001
  
  stop Rajni immediatly.. This guys is spreading like a virus....
  
  
• From: rajaG (@ 207.43.195.202) on: Mon Feb 26 17:36:59 EST 2001
  
  naanum rendarai varushamaa indha newtfmpage la rOndhu vittundirukkEn. hmmm............somethings don't change. It is some old players with new names, some new players playing the old roles, some old players repeating the same dialogue.........but the drama goes on.:-)
  
  

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