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Topic started by s.senthilkumar (@ 203.197.154.163) on Mon Jan 24 07:23:36 EST 2000.
All times in EST +10:30 for IST.

i think "copying" is there for a long time in tamil film history.Here we discuss the tamil songs copied from others.

For a compilation of copied/inspired songs: http://copied.newtfmpage.com

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From: rags (@ 204.114.255.2) on: Fri Dec 29 13:31:44 EST 2000

if ur gonna create a list...add these....

1. "enna vilai azhagey" from film "kadahlar
dhinam" music by ARR..was lifted/very heavily
inspired/remixed/recycled from old MGR
movie...am not sure of the film name..but the
song starts like this.."thanga pathakathin
melhey oru muthu"...

2. "Maligai Poovey" from the film "unnidathil
ennai koduthen" (music: sa raj kumar)
simply taken from "didi tera devar deewana" of
hum aapke hain koun...

hav got a long list in me like this....
From: Omega (@ 205.227.43.11) on: Fri Dec 29 14:53:56 EST 2000

thanga nirathukkuthaan tamzihnaatta ezudhi
tharattuma? endra pattu

kannile kudiyirundhu karunai ennum dheivam
endru (MSV) paadal copy

ennai thiruthunga thappa irundhaa:)))
From: Omega (@ 205.227.43.15) on: Fri Dec 29 16:15:09 EST 2000

copy adikkaradhu romba nalladhu.
thirumba thirumba ore patta ketta
bore adikkum.. vera maadhiri ketta jolly aa
irukkumaakkum)))
From: STS (@ 65.3.195.189) on: Fri Dec 29 19:24:40 EST 2000

Omega,

Appadi podunga. Copykku puthiya vadivam solleeteenga. Neenga ippadi solrathaiketta puthusaa tune podarathai vittuvittu puthusu puthusaa eppadi copy pannalaamnu yosikka arambichiruvaanga.Neverthless hilarious posting with great meaning behind it :)
From: SR (@ 172.129.12.240) on: Sat Dec 30 18:18:02 EST 2000

'vaa poNmaiyile nenjam aekathil thavikkudhu'(poonthalir-IR) and 'naan ennum pozhudhu'(azhiyadha kolangaL-saleel chowdhry) are very similar (starting line and the charanam).
'naan ennum pozhudhu'tune was first used by saleel in hindi film 'Anand'. PoonthaLir was released few years later.
From: vijay (@ 129.252.222.2) on: Sun Dec 31 04:01:09 EST 2000

SR,
no similiarity between the 2 tamil songs that u mentioned. in fact no similiarity in santham too.

but u are right about the hindi-to-tamil adaptation. but did u know that the MD for both the hindi and tamil movies was Salil? ;))
From: SR (@ 172.140.185.192) on: Sun Dec 31 08:29:22 EST 2000

vijay read my posting again,i have clearly stated that saleel did the music for both(azhiyadha kolangaL and anand).
Listen to the songs again before posting in a hurry
From: vijay (@ 129.252.222.2) on: Sun Dec 31 10:30:33 EST 2000

SR, i have listened to each song about 100 times or so ;)) vaa ponmayile is set in sudha dhanyaasi as far as i know and the other song is net. so no similiarity in raga/scale. similiarly no similiarity in sandham either.

listen to the songs carefully before making ur discoveries "public" n a hurry ;))
From: vijay (@ 129.252.222.2) on: Sun Dec 31 10:31:12 EST 2000

read "net" as "not" in the above posting..
From: SR (@ 172.143.139.232) on: Sun Dec 31 11:58:07 EST 2000

sorry I didnt know that i should consult subbudu or sudha raghunathan before posting anything in this 'public' forum. I will do so in future.

Me and my friends we are not musically literate ,we dont know what is sudham or dhanyasi but we do have good 'music'ears and can to an extent identify when its a copy or not
From: Jag (@ 35.9.12.99) on: Sun Dec 31 14:09:50 EST 2000

This song from Nilava Mugam Kattu (IR)
"Thenralai Kandukolla Maane" has the same beats
used by ARR in "Anbe Anbe" in Kaadhal Desam.Some more songs in the same film have same beats.
I think it is blatant copying by IR.
From: vijay (@ 129.252.222.2) on: Mon Jan 1 04:21:12 EST 2001

SR,
u need not consult anyone before posting here, dont get upset over something trivial;)) but next time when u make statements like these its good to include an IMO(in my opinion) along with ur statement;)) and also its never late to learn, this forum's main purpose is to discuss and learn more about TFM ;) I have learnt a lot from here
From: Hrishikesh (@ 202.144.64.4) on: Mon Jan 1 11:49:19 EST 2001

Hi,
The Sandham of Kandukondain Kandukondain's title song has been lifted from Chinna Kannan Azhaikkiran...
From: Fliflo (@ 146.186.113.254) on: Mon Jan 1 15:45:06 EST 2001

Jag

Tell me where is Anbe Anbe copied from..
From: Jag (@ 35.9.49.236) on: Mon Jan 1 16:53:58 EST 2001

Fliflo,
I meant the other way
listen to these, http://www.padmalekha.com/NerinaHera/Songs/Tamil/KaadhalDesam/EnaiKana.ram from Kaadhal desam

and this from
Nilavey Mugam Kaattu
http://www.padmalekha.com/NerinaHera/Songs/Tamil/NilaveMugamKaattu/Thenrala.ram
listen to this one a bit and you will know what I am talking about.no similarity in tune though.

I don't know if Anbe Anbe itself is inspired from
somewhere else

Jag
From: Venki (@ 12.72.90.22) on: Mon Jan 1 23:18:14 EST 2001

Jag
I wonder how you find similarity between these songs?
From: Jag (@ 35.9.50.39) on: Tue Jan 2 00:11:36 EST 2001

Venki,
watch the starting beat of Anbe and the first interlude of Thenrale(if that's the right term). but now , I wonder if I am mistaken, guys clarify.
Jag
From: Jag (@ 35.9.48.67) on: Tue Jan 2 11:19:04 EST 2001

One more, I wonder if this was discussed earlier.
The starting tune of
"Keladi Kanmani" from Pudhu Pudhu Aarthangal(IR)
is the same as
"Sogayaa yeh jahan, sogayaa aasmaan.." from Tezaab. (Laxmikant-Pyarelal)
Now which one was first ??
From: Bhagavathar (@ 209.43.54.200) on: Wed Jan 3 13:49:13 EST 2001

I was watching Rain man yesterday great movie guess what ARR has lifted the beat from the movie's soundtrack. He has used the beat for
"Vaanil Yenni Pottu Thattu Kai Thattu" song in the movie Puthiya Mannargal.

http://www.raaga.com/getMovieDetail.asp?Lang=T&mid=T0000148++

and the source IKO IKO listen here

http://www.cdnow.com/cgi-bin/mserver/SID=448968092/pagename=/RP/CDN/FIND/album.html/ArtistID=RAIN+MAN+(SOUNDTRACK)/ITEMID=28080
From: Bhagavathar (@ 209.43.54.200) on: Wed Jan 3 13:52:42 EST 2001

If the Raaga link doesn't work try this

http://www.raaga.com/getMovies.asp?Lang=T&SEARCH=P
From: Vij (@ 156.153.255.250) on: Thu Jan 4 00:32:24 EST 2001

Hey ! I saw a programme on Jaya TV "Kandupidi, Kandupidi" (Wed, 8:30 PM). They are showing the copied pieces with the original. An enjoyable programme. anyone had a chance to see that ?
From: eden (@ 202.144.64.4) on: Thu Jan 4 05:14:32 EST 2001

Vij, what songs were featured in that?
From: Vij (@ 156.153.255.130) on: Thu Jan 4 06:53:50 EST 2001

Akila - Akila, April Madhathil, O Nenje Nenje (Mugavari), Thenmerku Paruva Kaatru (ARR)
From: Fliflo (@ 146.186.113.254) on: Thu Jan 4 10:52:00 EST 2001

Akila Akila - is a one to one copy of Buffalo Soldiers
From: Fliflo (@ 146.186.113.254) on: Thu Jan 4 11:19:17 EST 2001

Hear Buffalo Soldier of Bob Marley from here

http://onedroprecords.com/1drop_century80s.html

Hear Akila Akila from here.

http://songs.swaramalika.com/cgi-bin/media/search.cgi?lang=tamil&music=Deva&exact=1
From: Velai_Vetti_nothing (@ 64.208.81.180) on: Thu Jan 4 12:50:40 EST 2001

Bhagavathar ,
What is the copy here ?

I hear thavil beats in arr song, the rain man music sounds like a Caribbean beat.
The are totally different. (only the claps are common) I dont think this is a copy, it is a typical arr beat.
From: Rags (@ 204.114.255.2) on: Thu Jan 4 13:00:07 EST 2001

IMO...the starting of "Porkalam" song in the film Thenali very much resembles the start of the famous TITANIC "My Heart Will go on" song...

i dunno how ARR takes inspirations from such a big hit song...u can expect such copies from our copy cat friends Deva/Sa RajKumar & Co...
From: SN (@ 15.255.208.35) on: Tue Jan 9 18:50:25 EST 2001

Here are some other copied songs:

* azhagu nee nadanthAl (Deva in Badshah)
starting tune copied (ditto) from dilbar
dilse pyare (Hindi) sung by Lata Mangeshkar

* suthi suthi vandheenga (ARR in padayappa)
starting tune copied (ditto) from pachai
kiLigaL thOLOdu (ARR in indian)

* sandhosa kaNNeerE (ARR in uyirE)
Part of the Interlude music copied from
Lion King

* yen vAzhvilE (ILayarAjA in thambikkendha ooru)
Part of interlude music for second stanza
copied (ditto) from interlude music from
poongAtru pudhidhAnadhu (ILayarAjA in moonrAm
pirai)

* I also want to confirm what Flifo has posted
(about akilA akilA from Buffalo Soldier)
From: Guru (@ 63.102.55.194) on: Tue Jan 9 19:31:27 EST 2001

SN,

"Yen Vazhvile" has actually the same tune that IR used for "Yeh Zindhagi" (this is from the film Sadma, which incidentally was the equivalent song for "Poongatru")

thanks
Guru
From: SN (@ 15.255.208.35) on: Tue Jan 9 20:29:20 EST 2001

Some more:

* AlOlankiLi (IR from siraichAlai) starting tune similar to poovarasampoo poothAchu (IR from kizhakkE pOgum rayil)

* nagumO idhu thagumO (Deva in ?) ditto from nagumO mOganalE (thyagarAja)

*
From: rjay (@ ) on: Mon Jan 22 23:16:43 EST 2001

Beginning of "En jodi manjakuruvi" lifted from
Spanish Pasodoble (bull fighting music) song -
Espana Cani.

http://members.fortunecity.com/dancelife/music/paso.html

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