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Why Tamil Film Music is WAY AHEAD of other Indian Film Music?

Topic started by ..raj (@ 203.200.197.65) on Wed Feb 18 06:42:07 EST 2004.
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Be it IR, MSV, AR, YSR, or HJ..... Why Tamil Film music and composition is a way ahead of other Indian Film Music? Or I am feeling so since I am listening to them often?

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• From: vijay (@ 68.51.215.28) on: Wed Mar 3 21:34:04 EST 2004
  
  "Has RDB copied/been inspired from western music, yes, so have the greats from TFM, including MSV, IR and ARR.
  "
  
  Raja M, but compare the number of inspirations keeping in mind the total output from MSV or IR which is easily twice as much as RDB. Also,IRs "inspired" songs were not amongst his most memorable ones or werent superhits like Chura Liya or Mehbooba. RDB fans swear by these songs.Mehbooba especially is close to a blatant lift including the interludes :-)
  http://www.iespana.es/i2fs/DemisRoussos-Sayyouloveme.rm
  
  As for RDB's creative output we are well aware of it, dont bother to make a list of all his hits :-)
  
  
• From: raja m (@ 67.87.27.19) on: Wed Mar 3 22:35:48 EST 2004
  
  Vijay,
  
  This argument will never end..
  
  IMO, RDB fans who quote ChuraLiya or Mehbooba as his greatest creations are not the serious of his fans. According to me, both these are much better than the originals, taste differs :-)
  
  RDB has been a composer since a teenager and has composed from 1961 to 1997 (over 330 movies). I was not trying to make a list of his original creations, just a tease to HYPE and as AV mentioned it is a project in itself. I was mentioning Dum Maro just to instigate :-).
  
  IMO, in this forum, I have seen great posts by well informed folk as well as mentally challenged posts on the important argument whether HFM or TFM is better, and then the comparison invariably turns to IR vs the rest, and then the arguments turn into personal attacks and objectivity is lost.
  
  Do visit www.panchamonline.com to get a feel for RDB'w work.
  
  If one compares AnandMilind/Nadeem Shravan/Anu Malik/Deva to RDB, then best of luck to that person.
  
  
  
  
  
• From: C~P (@ 61.95.159.16) on: Thu Mar 4 00:22:06 EST 2004
  
  raja m,
  "If one compares AnandMilind/Nadeem Shravan/Anu Malik/Deva to RDB, then best of luck to that person. "
  :-) Well said.
  
  HYPE,
  As AV said it would be better if you list down what you feel is inspired and get it clarified rather than just accusing RDB blindly. That approach would be more healthy than clubbing him with the likes of Deva/Veda/Anu Malik etc etc.
  
  
• From: AV (@ 132.206.72.39) on: Thu Mar 4 00:41:54 EST 2004
  
  "If one compares AnandMilind/Nadeem Shravan/Anu Malik/Deva to RDB, then best of luck to that person. "
  
  Yes!
  
  BTW, here is a very nice classical song composed by RDB. This song is from his private album with Asha - "dil padosi hai".
  
  http://us.f1f.yahoofs.com/bc/58aacbfc/bc/My+Documents/Bheeni+bheeni+bhor--Dil+Padosi+Hai.zip?bfFcsRABWE8j_4H9
  
  
• From: :-) (@ 203.200.199.155) on: Thu Mar 4 00:42:12 EST 2004
  
  raja m,
  That was good.
  
  >>"IMO, RDB fans who quote ChuraLiya or Mehbooba as his greatest creations are not the serious of his fans "
  
  Just something that i too had wanted to say, but then to me it looks like some people here are interested more in an ARGUMENT than a DISCUSSION. and more importantly their conclusion is already fixed before the discussion begins.
  
  Vijay,
  If you are aware of the creative talent of RD then i am surprised what you are discussion here. I think the list was more intended as a tease for HYPE who wanted some "original" hits from RD.
  :-)
  
  
• From: AV (@ 132.206.72.39) on: Thu Mar 4 00:47:11 EST 2004
  
  http://us.f2.yahoofs.com/bc/404166fc_d586/bc/My+Documents/12GHARAAJAGHIRAAYI.mp3?bfaisRABts2nGmPg
  
  And here is one more. Enjoy!
  
  
• From: Ferrari (@ 202.56.254.13) on: Thu Mar 4 01:37:10 EST 2004
  
  Why English Music is way ahead of Tamil Music?
  
  
• From: C~P (@ 61.95.159.16) on: Thu Mar 4 01:49:14 EST 2004
  
  Ferrari,
  Approximate-a evalo dhooram irukkumnu solreenga?!
  
  
• From: vijay (@ 68.51.215.28) on: Thu Mar 4 02:14:55 EST 2004
  
  RajaM, the comparison of Deva with RDB was regards to AVs weak defense of RDBs lifts saying that he had merely "adapted" them. You can extend the same to most other inferior MDs like Deva who have also "adapted" such songs. This doesnt mean RDB and Deva are on the same level. My point is there are absolutely no excuses for the number of inspirations RDB has especially when MDs from the south have composed far more movies with far less inspirations. And thats something which you need not even bother to refute :-)
  
  "IMO, RDB fans who quote ChuraLiya or Mehbooba as his greatest creations are not the serious of his fans."
  Oh, looks like you havent read all those RDB tributes or articles that mention this song as one of his greatest. Thats fine. Now that you know its inspired I am not surprised to see you change your stance :-)Here is an article from rediff citing Pancham's best "creations" that include Mehbooba
  http://www.rediff.com/movies/2004/jan/05burman.htm
  "The strings, the beats and the vocals! Mehbooba was all about vivacity.
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  So much for what his fans consider as great creations.
  
  
  Many of RDB's illustrious predecessors while churning out classics havent had that many inspirations either.Its too bad if the current generation of HFM listeners arent aware of the great music which came in the 60s before the RDB era.
  
  "IMO, in this forum, I have seen great posts by well informed folk as well as mentally challenged posts on the important argument whether HFM or TFM is better, and then the comparison invariably turns to IR vs the rest, and then the arguments turn into personal attacks and objectivity is lost.
  
  "
  
  As for objectivity getting lost you are as guilty as anyone else here in taking sides and then admitting to "instigating" HYPE who was only providing evidence to support his point.And I havent seen you contributing anything substantial to this thread apart from annoying other posters :-)
  
  AV, too bad you have to resort to songs from private albums already :-)This discussion is not about his creativity but about the number of inspirations he had and the kind of songs which he lifted which went to become superhits.Thats something that cannot be dismissed as insignificant
  
  
  
• From: vijay (@ 68.51.215.28) on: Thu Mar 4 02:18:08 EST 2004
  
  C~P, check this page for a start, before you jump in the middle of the discussion without knowing what you are talking about :-)
  http://www.iespana.es/i2fs/hindi-rdb.html
  
  
• From: vijay (@ 68.51.215.28) on: Thu Mar 4 02:21:56 EST 2004
  
  "According to me, both these are much better than the originals, taste differs "
  
  Raja, taste has nothing to do with what we are discussing here. You might like the duplicate better because of your own bias. That doesnt mean there wasnt an inspiration there. What you have said above is a perfect example on how to kill objectivity in a discussion :-)
  
  
• From: S:-)s (@ 203.200.199.155) on: Thu Mar 4 02:53:11 EST 2004
  
  vijay,
  
  I really think u need to go back and check what the discussion here is with rgds to RD.
  U are keen on discussing the MD based "***ONLY***" on that list of songs.
  In fact the core of what i and some others have been trying to say is that, that is not right,
  considering the great work consistently done by RD.
  --Reminds me of the "golden hand" goal by Maradona. Ya that was WRONG, but Maradona
  figures among the best and that judgement is based on Maradona's overall ability rather
  than that in-famous incident.
  S:-)s
  
  
• From: C~P (@ 61.95.159.16) on: Thu Mar 4 03:04:50 EST 2004
  
  Vijay,
  Why don't you hit the SAME Old Responses and see who requested for that link?! I came here before you my friend! :-)
  And that link lists just 35 songs. This is what AV has been yelling over and over again.
  
  "To me, When ever I listen to any RDB songs, I do like many of his songs, I will always put a question mark on the originality of the composition, similarly, I do for music directors like deva, Anu malik and others."
  This is what HYPE said and I feel that was an exaggeration. That's the reason why I requested him to list some songs so that people (AV!!) here can clarify.
  
  So, why don't you practice before you preach?! :-)
  
  
• From: vijay (@ 68.51.215.28) on: Thu Mar 4 03:14:38 EST 2004
  
  C~P, whats this "coming first" business? this is cyberspace :-) Well if you have seen the list you must be aware by now that RDB is one of the biggest thiefs ever. Granted he has many original compositions. But facts are facts. If ranked on the number of songs lifted RDB would probably not even make the top 10/15 MDs(with comparable number of compositions), HFM and TFM combined.
  
  And instead of admitting the relative significance of the number and moving onAV started giving weak excuses like he was "adapting" from the original song and so on. Adaptation is an euphemism for lifting in most instances. Thats why I mentioned Deva as an example and you and others mistook that to be a comparison of Deva and RDBs composing abilities.
  What he and others didnt realize were there are many composers as prolific and creative as RDB with far less inpirations against their name. You have to put things in perspective.
  
  Anyways to my earlier point, HFM certainly took a nosedive after 1975 with no new musical trends emerging and copycats like Bappi Lahari churning out "hits" with lifts.This whole RDB discussion was an offshoot :-)
  
  
• From: vijay (@ 68.51.215.28) on: Thu Mar 4 03:15:44 EST 2004
  
  "If ranked on the number of songs lifted "
  
  I meant, ranked on originality..
  
  

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