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COPYING - IN TAMIL FILM HISTORY

Topic started by s.senthilkumar (@ 203.197.154.163) on Mon Jan 24 07:23:36 EST 2000.
All times in EST +10:30 for IST.

i think "copying" is there for a long time in tamil film history.Here we discuss the tamil songs copied from others.

1.Vedha:i know he always go for a hindi tune in his films(mostly for Modern theatres).No alterations! he just copy a full hindi song !

best examble:Manam ennum medai mele(Gil tho ye kulu yahag)

2.MSV: i hear that(from Sujatha's book"Neerkumiligal") "thulluvatho elamai" was a song copied from english to almost all famous indian langages.Is there any other songs MSV copied?

3.Illayaraja:Even the GOD of MUSIC Raja sir did some thing like this.He just used that "I love you"style from BOneyM Sunny for "darling darling"in priya.I have heard a totally same song like "Kanavu kanum valkkai yavum" in Hindi also.(i forgot the film).

and i dont know who is the MD for the song"ehu pal vadiyum mugam! ethai parpathu than sugam".But i heard the same song in an english film.

4.ARR : i was told from my friends that he did copying intelligently.drum beats and some music styels from cassettes like "enigma,ace of base".And the humming before the song "thillana thillana" is a 100%copy from the film"the island of Dr.Mozeru".

5.SA Rajkumar : a lot of help from hindi! best example "mallikai puve malligai puve parthaya" from "didi tera thevaru thevana"

5.DEVA:hee..hee..the master.(better we see how many songs he did on his own instead of seeing how many songs he copied!)

like wise there is a lot of songs are copied from Tamil to Hindi also..

Now its your turn friends....

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Responses:

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• From: vijay (@ 129.252.22.221) on: Sun Apr 30 13:09:46 EDT 2000
  
  Balaji,
  thats how the film industry is. u should'nt idolise or develop an emotional attachment to any of the artistes 'cause u doint know what dirty things are going on behind. go to rediff and check the list of celebrities owing millinos of rupees to the govt. u will find kamal and KJY's name right there along with the others.
  artistes are either born as hypocrites or have hippocracy thrust on them;)
  
  
• From: Balaji (@ 2cust6.tnt12.nyc3.da.uu.net) on: Sun Apr 30 13:37:44 EDT 2000
  
  Vijay:
  
  Thanks for responding. I don't expect these stalwarts to be perfect in personal/professional ways and I have no emotional attachment to any. (may be a little empathy towards IR.. but that is because he was axed due to some stalwarts' personal vendetta -- MR / KB and the Gang) These Stalwarts dislike of some values or govt laws are purely upto them. But my unhappiness is not that.
  
  Imagine this situation: Deva re-tuning all IRs old songs and soon people will start recognizing those tunes as that of Deva's (With the current taste of Music lovers/producers/directors.. this is not a far stretch) and IR's 25 years efforts will soon be in the drain.
  May be few people would care! But isn't that scary?
  
  There should be some sense of devotion to the job these people do. Unless these stalwarts take a stand, nothing could be done in this regard. With the likes of Devas and SRs ruling the roast the picture is really bleak and the future looks bleak too.
  
  May be my sole cry is not going to change anything.
  
  Hoping situation will improve...
  
  Balaji
  
  It is hard for me to listen to a new song, without thinking of who/what would be its source.
  
  
• From: vijay (@ 129.252.22.221) on: Mon May 1 11:27:32 EDT 2000
  
  Balaji,
  u need not worry about deva copying IRs tunes anymore 'cause deva is truly going international these days;))
  
  
• From: srikanth (@ 216.190.255.35) on: Mon May 1 12:33:34 EDT 2000
  
  balaji and others
  only solutions is this: read below...
  
  http://newtfmpage.com/forum/13132.22.32.16.html
  
  
  what else we can do?
  
  
• From: Gyani (@ iq-ind-as002-251.iquest.net) on: Mon May 1 12:58:28 EDT 2000
  
  I listened to Kushi Songs man Deva copied Maasi Masan Alana Ponnu beat for one of the songs. The whole album is a copy from IR or ARR. He is so cheap that he copies the Saranam from one old song and Pallavi from another old song. No wonder people gave him a name IlayaMan. IR should sue Deva for copyright
  violations.
  
  
• From: Kumar(musician) (@ sp-69-55.tm.net.my) on: Mon May 1 14:05:12 EDT 2000
  
  hello guys and girls!! let me introduce The king of copy cat ISAI PERARASU DEVA and his son SRIKANTH The best synthscorer for movie (VAALI,MUGAVARI AND KUSHI)
  
  KUSHI SONG ARE COPIED IN THE PART OF BEAT AND MELODY
  Example -
  
  1)MACHORINA MACHORINA - the song is good because the voice of Devan espescially the word Machorina!!(THE CHARANAM IS COPIED FROM THE OLD M.G.R SONG UNAI ARINTHAL NEE UNAI ARINTHAL).
  2)MOOTU ONDRU - THE BEAT PART IS COPIED FROM THE MICHEAL JACKSON SONG JAM! AND THE CHARANAM ALSO COPIED FROM THE OLD POPULAR SONG CHITU KURUVI MUTTHAM KUDUTHE IN THE HUMMING PART.
  3)KADDI PUDI KAADI PUDIDA - BEAT PART IS COPIED FROM THE SONG MAASI MASAM ALANA PONNU.
  4)OH VENILA - SRIKANTH REPEAT THE BACKGROUND SCORE MELODY FROM THE MOVIE VAALI
  5)MEGAM KARUKUDHU - THE TABLA BEAT OF CHARANAM IS COPIED FROM THE SONG VAREGE NATHIKARAI ORAM
  6)ORU POONU -THE BEAT PART AND BASS LINE IS COPIED FROM THE SONG ALL THAT SHE WANT FROM ACE OF BASE AND ENDING PART BEAT IS COPIED FROM MICHEAL JAKCSON SONG THEY DONT CARE ABOUT US.
  
  Hope DEVAJI can stop this work in future.
  
  
• From: Kumar(musician) (@ sp-69-55.tm.net.my) on: Mon May 1 14:05:23 EDT 2000
  
  hello guys and girls!! let me introduce The king of copy cat ISAI PERARASU DEVA and his son SRIKANTH The best synthscorer for movie (VAALI,MUGAVARI AND KUSHI)
  
  KUSHI SONG ARE COPIED IN THE PART OF BEAT AND MELODY
  Example -
  
  1)MACHORINA MACHORINA - the song is good because the voice of Devan espescially the word Machorina!!(THE CHARANAM IS COPIED FROM THE OLD M.G.R SONG UNAI ARINTHAL NEE UNAI ARINTHAL).
  2)MOOTU ONDRU - THE BEAT PART IS COPIED FROM THE MICHEAL JACKSON SONG JAM! AND THE CHARANAM ALSO COPIED FROM THE OLD POPULAR SONG CHITU KURUVI MUTTHAM KUDUTHE IN THE HUMMING PART.
  3)KADDI PUDI KAADI PUDIDA - BEAT PART IS COPIED FROM THE SONG MAASI MASAM ALANA PONNU.
  4)OH VENILA - SRIKANTH REPEAT THE BACKGROUND SCORE MELODY FROM THE MOVIE VAALI
  5)MEGAM KARUKUDHU - THE TABLA BEAT OF CHARANAM IS COPIED FROM THE SONG VAREGE NATHIKARAI ORAM
  6)ORU POONU -THE BEAT PART AND BASS LINE IS COPIED FROM THE SONG ALL THAT SHE WANT FROM ACE OF BASE AND ENDING PART BEAT IS COPIED FROM MICHEAL JAKCSON SONG THEY DONT CARE ABOUT US.
  
  Hope DEVAJI can stop this work in future.
  
  
• From: ECHO (@ hobbiton.org) on: Mon May 1 15:18:25 EDT 2000
  
  I thought u would be aware of that beat patterns and bass parts do not qualitfy for the copying.
  
  
• From: Bala (@ 208.249.163.130) on: Mon May 1 17:18:06 EDT 2000
  
  The begining piece in the film Roja for the song "Chinna etc" was a direct lift from "Newline cinema production for its Ad" if you have the seen the film RUSH HOUR By jackie Chan & Kris Tucker
  
  
  
• From: SRK (@ icache-3.doit.wisc.edu) on: Tue May 2 02:00:39 EDT 2000
  
  The "Ba Ba Ba.." humming in the song in Apoorva Sagodarargal is "inspired" from the song "Ba Ba Ba Barbara Ann" of the Beach Boys (found this of all places in a TV serial where they played this song of teh Beach Boys).
  
  
• From: srikanth (@ sttl6400gw3poola51.sttl.uswest.net) on: Tue May 2 02:09:19 EDT 2000
  
  
  ba ba ba is something like carnatic tha dha ree na na...in jazz scating....
  so i dont think it is a copy.
  
  
• From: SRK (@ icache-3.doit.wisc.edu) on: Tue May 2 02:35:53 EDT 2000
  
  Srikanth:
  
  It was not just the words ba ba ba, but the notes.
  
  But you must know better (anyway, I am only happy to be proved wrong).
  
  
• From: srikanth (@ sttl6400gw3poola51.sttl.uswest.net) on: Tue May 2 02:41:08 EDT 2000
  
  srk basically the chords might be same.
  raja's song uses g d7 g d7th hence the harmony sounds some what same.
  I would say it is a Perfect example of Inspiration.
  
  
• From: Vijay (@ palrel3.hp.com) on: Tue May 2 04:02:18 EDT 2000
  
  I have a very odd question. If Deva copies from other languages people say "Copied ..." while if musicians like Rehman or Ilayaraja does that, they say "Inspired ...".
  
  Why is that ?
  
  
• From: Vijay (@ palrel3.hp.com) on: Tue May 2 04:04:20 EDT 2000
  
  Bala: Rush Hour was released sometime in 1998/99. Maybe, Jackie was "inspired" by Roja music.
  
  
• From: Shankar (@ wwwgate2.motorola.com) on: Tue May 2 04:40:31 EDT 2000
  
  Vijay,
  but newline cinema has been there for quite long :-)
  
  
• From: bala (@ 208.249.163.130) on: Tue May 2 10:52:19 EDT 2000
  
  Yes New line has been right from 1988 . I just gave an example about Rush hour movie .
  
  
• From: vijay (@ 129.252.22.221) on: Tue May 2 12:57:21 EDT 2000
  
  a serious request to bb"
  
  bb, is it possible for u to start a new section on copied songs in TFM? like 'songs of the month' we can have this as a permamnent section. iam willing to donate some mp3s of originals and there are many others here who can provide the tamil duplicates. what do u think?
  
  atleast, it would be interesting froma music listeners point of view to see how MDS have been influenced and also how their idols are not as 'clean' as they thought they were;))
  
  iam intersted very much. Pl. let me know.
  
  i would also like everyone else's opinion and input on this.
  
  even if we are not able to inform the original composer about this, atleast music fane who come to this forum would be aware of this and would definitely appreciate(or criticize;)).
  
  
• From: SRK (@ icache-3.doit.wisc.edu) on: Tue May 2 14:25:25 EDT 2000
  
  Vijay(@hp.com):
  
  The reason why people refer to Raja's or ARR's duplicates as inspirations is, in most cases, the repetition is unconscious and not deliberate. Whenever anybody composes, their scores are influenced by others' work.
  
  When it is a direct lift (as is the case usually with Deva), it is called a copy and rightly so.
  
  
• From: rjay (@ brkfw0005.navistar.com) on: Tue May 2 17:48:36 EDT 2000
  
  SRK,
  
  I think it is the opposite. Raja and Rahman
  deliberately decide to copy a style or tune,
  and they consciously work on it to transform it
  into a unique idea. It is like retelling a
  story in a new context. They add their mark
  and ideas to the source idea and so it gets
  totally transformed.
  
  OPinions?
  rjay
  
  
• From: kiru (@ surf0004.sybase.com) on: Tue May 2 22:33:54 EDT 2000
  
  rjay,
  ARR, I believe, has used many 'bits' and 'pieces' of music from others 'as is' in his songs to embellish them or developed a full fledged tune out of them. In the case of IR, these have been very few cases of this. In the case of ARR, these things have contributed a lot to his commercial success. I am afraid, ARR and Deva might vary only in degrees. The only saving grace being ARR did introduce a new way of making tamil film songs (albeit not his own style). Do you agree with this or not ?
  
  

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