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Is ARR Running out of Stuff?

Topic started by Ramesh Vaidhyanathan (@ gengw.gensym.com) on Fri Mar 13 15:14:51 EST 1998.
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I listened to VandeMatharam in which ARR recycled his own tunes from Kizhakku Ceemayile and a touch of a song from Indira.
Also ARR's recent movies for big time producers like Ratchagan and Iruvar (except one song) and Dhoud in Hindi did not have any notable music. Remember ARRs last hit Minsarak Kanavu music was done long time ago.

If for a major album for Sony released on 50th year of Indian Independence, ARR cannot produce original music, then I have to come to the conclusion that he is running out of stuff. I heard that ARR is planning to cut down on movies and concentrate more on albums. Thus he will have to produce less and earn more.

Right now I do not see any difference in the quality of music produced by ARR and Karthik Raja. In fact I think Deva is doing a better job of providing consistant good quality music.

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• From: Dev Mannemela (@ tide14.microsoft.com) on: Wed Apr 22 16:37:51 EDT 1998
  
  
  'Duet' was dubbed in Hindi, but how many saw it ?
  It was a wash-out, like many dubbed movies in Hindi.
  
  Actually I don't know what the point of dubbing in Hindi is, considering it didn't do well in Tamil.
  
  I quite like the redone "Anjali Anjali" of "Kabhi Na Kabhi" (inspite of Kumar Sanu).
  
  
• From: venus (@ 28.los-angeles-07.ca.dial-access.att.net) on: Thu Apr 23 23:27:06 EDT 1998
  
  I do not know how many of you feel the same.
  The song "Anbennum malaillae akillangal" from
  Minsarrak kanavu resembles "Kalyana malai kondadum
  pennae" from "Pudhu pudhu arthangal". This may be a sheer coincidence or both are based on the same ragam. (any light?).
  
  
  
• From: Dev Mannemela (@ tide15.microsoft.com) on: Fri Apr 24 16:27:53 EDT 1998
  
  
  Might be old news for most of you guys,
  here is an excerpt for a review of "Anokha.." which was in the news some time ago..
  
  link: http://www.fused.com/dnb/reflec/reflec7.htm
  
  Thanks to Sreeni Seelamantula for pointing this page out..
  
  
  ...
  The highlight of the longplayer however, is not to be found here but in A R Rahman's haunting ‘Mumbai Theme'. Establishing itself through soundtracked strings, which sits menacingly in a cradle of drifting flute rises - epic horns introducing a full orchestral progression. Although classical music is more than a little unusual in a compilation of dance music, the beauty of the piece warrants its inclusion - in a class above most of the material I've heard in the last couple of months with regards both production and arrangement. Simply stunning
  ..
  
  
• From: buddy (@ panorama.nus.edu.sg) on: Tue Apr 28 22:15:39 EDT 1998
  
  Hi folks,
  
  Another song I felt A.R Rehman was inspired by Illayaraja was Chandiranai thottathu yaar from Ratchagan.
  
  The music resembled Nenjukulle Innarunnu from ponnumani.
  
  Try to play these songs simul..
  
  Raja Rulz
  
  
• From: Nithin (@ nc.pr.mcs.net) on: Wed Apr 29 00:28:04 EDT 1998
  
  Buddy
  
  Similarly, I think the Strawberry Kannu has a lot of inspiration for style and pattern from the Avatharam song of IR '........Nandane Ohoho, etc... Man, what a composition. If this one was composed for a hollywood, they would have instituted a special award for innovation and something called 'Interlude' which is pure magic!!!
  
  
• From: Geetha (@ gatekeeper.oracle.co.uk) on: Wed Apr 29 09:16:06 EDT 1998
  
  venus :
  "Anbennum malaillae akillangal" - Anandha Bairavhi
  "Kalyana malai kondadum" - Thodi
  
  No similarities at all. Anandha Bairavhi comes from Karahapriya and Thodi is a Melakartha in itself.
  
  
  
• From: Bhaskar (@ freeway.proxy.lucent.com) on: Wed Apr 29 14:13:27 EDT 1998
  
  Is ARR Running out of Stuff?
  
  Whatever it is ? But ARR's Threads are always
  not running out of Stuff :-))))
  
  
• From: Hari (@ 4037ad.sscl.uwo.ca) on: Thu Apr 30 15:35:40 EDT 1998
  
  Geetha,
  
  Kalyana malai is in the Natabhairavi scale(20th mela). And Anandabhairavi can be thought as a janya raga of the 20th that uses dha2 as a foreign note.
  
  I have no idea about the claim concerning the two songs, since I haven't heard the Minsara Kanavu song.
  
  
• From: venus (@ 98.los-angeles-06.ca.dial-access.att.net) on: Fri May 1 11:56:13 EDT 1998
  
  Geetha and Hari:
  
  Thanks for the information. For some reason both
  the songs resembled the same (at least the first few lines).
  
  Buddy:
  Last week I bought a CD with songd KM and Ratchagan. I also felt that Chandirani thottathu's
  rhythm resembles "Nenjukkulle" . Moreover, if you lisent to the song, the stanza 2 and 3 follows
  the karutthamma "Vanndimmadu ettivechu"
  "Mannae poi varavae maa maramae"
  
  
  
  
  
  
• From: Udhaya (@ 205.218.142.217) on: Tue May 5 19:56:40 EDT 1998
  
  I know this thread is about ARR, but I want to throw in a twist to Geetha, Hari, and Venus' discussion regarding "Kalyana Malai Kondadum". When I first heard this Ilayaraja song, I was reminded of an old Sirghazi song,"Kallilae Kalai Vannam Kandaan". You raga gurus let me know if they are similar.
  Back to the thread: Did anyone find similarities to ARR's "kucchi kucchi raakkamma" and the old song, "Senthamizh Thaen Mozhiyaal Nilavena Sirikkum Malarkodiyal"?
  
  
• From: bs (@ www1.access.bt.com) on: Wed May 6 16:27:13 EDT 1998
  
  I dont know where to put this info.. Anyhow since this thread is related
  to ARR, I will put it here...
  In the following link there is news that ARR is planning an album
  based on Bharathiar kavithaigaL with the help of the VandeMataram team...
  
  http://www.rediff.com/entertai/1998/may/05ss.htm
  
  Pazhaya padlagaLai remix pannuvangannu joke adithu kondirukkum pothu
  ARR nijamave Bharathiar KavithaigaLai kai vaithu vittar:-)... Parava illai Bharathi nalla veLaiya munnadiye puzhaithu poi vittar..:-)
  
  BS
  
  
• From: Sankaran (@ webgate0.mot.com) on: Thu May 7 00:53:55 EDT 1998
  
  I see a lot of discussion of ARR's compositions being similar to old tunes here.I would like to add one more info. I think some of you might of noticed this.In the beginning of the first interlude of "chinna chinna aasai",there is a flute bit.When I first heard it,I was reminded of that most famous shehnoy bit in the interlude of "aalaya maniyin osayai naan ketten".For doubters,just hum these two and see the similarity.
  
  Any comments ????
  
  Sankaran
  
  
• From: pg (@ gate02.merck-medco.com) on: Thu May 7 10:17:59 EDT 1998
  
  Guys :
  I was watching TV yesterday and I saw an ad for Erols internet service. No talk only rhythms music . And guess what : the rhythms are 90% similar to the rhythms in ARR's 'romeo Attam pOttAl' from Mr.Romeo.
  
  The movie is more than a year old. I am not sure about the ad.
  
  My guess is that both guys have copied from the same source OR more probably both of them bought the rhythm from guys who sell rhythm loops.
  
  Has anybody else seen/heard the ad ?
  
  My feeling is that more than copying ARR buys such rhythms from commercial sources.
  
  
• From: vijay (@ ryan.ece.sc.edu) on: Thu May 7 12:42:41 EDT 1998
  
  is ARR running out of stuff?
  
  ARR has already ran out of stuff!
  
  
• From: raja m (@ 198.81.201.40) on: Thu May 7 15:54:45 EDT 1998
  
  Pg:
  
  Correct me if I am wrong. I was under the impression, all MDs sample music pieces ( from various sources including their own) and mix, recreate `new' music. More info on how this is done is welcome.
  
  
• From: Visitor at Rhythms For Sale (@ nc.pr.mcs.net) on: Thu May 7 20:15:15 EDT 1998
  
  PG
  
  You mean to say ARR purchases various Rhythms. I mean, do you mean he plays fair? That is something very interesting to discuss in this forum. I remember the Tillana Tillana song's has a troubling rhythm as if the rhythm ran away from its original home and found its way to a really agitated auction house and was eventually sold to a rich rhythm collector. Hmm... I like this idea of buying Rhythms. Keep it up PG, this clears up some mystery clouds. The beat which ran into the Thillana song, if I may point out, is originally from the home of Dr.Alban, who had some nice rhythms for display and not anything more, if I remember right.
  
  So, there is a Kothavalchavadi for Rhythms. Are they stringed also? Must visit this Loop. Thanks PG. Pretty loopy stuff.
  
  By the By, (used to a potentially famous word in South Indian films) seems like no one is running out of stuff as far as ARR running out of stuff is concerned! In fact, we are introducing more stuff compared with ARR! Hmm...
  
  
  
  
  
  
• From: pg (@ client-116-34.bellatlantic.net) on: Thu May 7 21:00:37 EDT 1998
  
  Mr. Visitor at Rhythms For Sale,
  
  Nice attempt at sarcasm. Keep it up.
  
  If you want to buy rhythms and would like to compete with ARR please visit
  
  http://www.ilio.com
  
  
  No bidding is required. They will be happy to sell rhythms to you.
  
  
  
• From: Neels (@ ppp3-120.bom.vsnl.net.in) on: Thu May 7 23:35:20 EDT 1998
  
  Coming to TILLANA TILLANA....
  the song begins with an "unusual' humm by Sujata. It is periodically repeated in the song...
  
  I thought it was great..... UNTIL I heard a Deep Forest number...
  
  Rehman, come on......
  
  
• From: rjay (@ 204.220.167.123) on: Fri May 8 03:18:35 EDT 1998
  
  Hi
  
  couple of things:
  
  1. one reason why 'anbennum mazhai' and
  'kalyana malai' resemble is both of them
  use a five-beat pattern (thatha-thakita;thatha-thakita)
  which is not as common as the four-beat pattern
  but has been used in many songs.
  
  Azhagu malar ada.
  
  
  
  I am sure trained musicians will name this.
  
  Another offbeat beat is the 7-beat pattern
  used in 'Pattale Bhakti sonnar'
  (thakita-thakadimi)
  
  I was told there are nine beat, 13 beat patterns
  used in our music, where as the western music is
  very poor, they choose either a 4/4 or 2/4
  or 3/4 or 6/8. I have not seen anything else.
  
  2. When modern music equipment is sold,
  it is sold with lots of demos and samples.
  When I heard 'mangtha hai' from Rangeela
  I was amazed by the very elusic percussive
  rhythm. It has so much of a-pattern and so many
  tonality.
  Last week I was totally suprised to see the
  exact percussion track in the
  music of one Mr.Lynn, a multimedia composer - released in 1995!
  
  3. Rahman admitted in an interview
  that he got the 'Arabikadaloram' drum loop from
  Dr.Alban's CD and was surprised that Alban himself used it around the same time!
  
  So what! Composers do get ideas from various
  sources. Their value is in fitting music to situations and to other parts of the music to
  get a guaranteed emotion! Originality is in
  positioning things together.
  
  In fact I was surprised to hear a western country song and I heard the Punnagai
  mannan (Kalam kalamaga) violin trio and piano
  - not the same pieces but very very similar.
  But the effect
  is much better in the Raja's song!
  
  More later
  RJAY
  
  
• From: M. Diwakar (@ j18.jrc21.jaring.my) on: Fri May 8 11:14:41 EDT 1998
  
  Is ARR running out of stuff?
  
  Is TWO an even number?
  
  
  

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