Topic started by RAJAN (@ proxy-122.iap.bryant.webtv.net) on Thu Jan 22 22:20:06 EST 1998.
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A new Ilayaraja album is a cause for celebration with many among us. Let everyone share in the revelry. Review, discuss or comment on new IR albums.
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- From: kiru (@ 64.166.86.128)
on: Mon Feb 11 03:50:40 EST 2002
suresh..I have listened to that song on real audio. It is really good. Now that you mention the situation I am sure it would have a very good impact on screen. New Find - I just listened to 'dEsiya geetham' and the eponymous song. Wow..what a grand score. Even though the tune sounds like 'manithA manithA ini un vizhigaL..' the orchestration is mind blowing. Wish we had somebody like Kurosuwa..IR will surely make the whole world notice us with his music. All areas of movie making are not as advanced music when IR is there :)
- From: Venkatesh (@ 212.72.11.66)
on: Mon Feb 11 03:55:45 EST 2002
Kiru,
Are you referring to Annal Gandhi/Nanba Nanba? What a majestic score? I was truly negizhnthufied with the music, lyrics and the emotions in IR's voice. This song has got 3 versions.
- From: eden (@ 210.214.4.77)
on: Mon Feb 11 04:41:31 EST 2002
STS, check out `podhuvAga emmanasu thangam' second interlude (before vAngadi vAngadi cheNdugaLA)...recently `thirunelvEli cheemayilE' also had that sound...will post more as I remember
- From: eden (@ 210.214.4.77)
on: Mon Feb 11 04:52:46 EST 2002
Digression
Kiru,
we will lose the battle on language and finally our traditions ..and also an ancient tradition would 'have been subsumed by the white man's way of life !!! I hope I am just being a litte paranoid and my fears are exaggerated.
I just gave a thought on that...may not be by the white man:-) To me they were not predators, at least in the linguistic sense (veeramA munivar translated to & from Thamizh I think...& think of the more than 2000 languages in which parts of the Bible are made availble today)...
...but I'm really afraid whether we'll kill ourselves (many don't even encourage their kids to read /write their mother tongue)...
end digression
just listened to `pAttu cholli' from azhagi - a decent effort...
- From: IR Tuje Salaam (@ 65.58.47.212)
on: Mon Feb 11 05:52:03 EST 2002
kiru, that Desiya Geetham song is another one i want to talk about at length. it is immaculate. expecially for a patriotic song, look at the fire in the tune and the way the whole song develops with the chorus piece "vande mataram, vande mataram" gets a special percussion bakcing with trumpets. so far, no one has come up with an idea like that. closest in terms of drama of that level is Rossini' william tell overture... Unfortunately Maa Tuje Salaam came about the same time and subdued Desiya Geetham of IR/KJY combo. things happen.
- From: Yaaro (@ 195.93.48.174)
on: Mon Feb 11 14:38:36 EST 2002
digression-I have sent e mails ,karthik and suresh.
international krishna,
did u finish in 82?
- From: tigger (@ 205.219.204.23)
on: Mon Feb 11 16:50:37 EST 2002
I can't believe only "Carmel" guys are interested in IR. Anyone from GRG?? :)
- From: karthik (@ 65.34.242.165)
on: Mon Feb 11 19:25:05 EST 2002
Yaaro -- no email received. Could you try again. The id is mailto:narasimh@hotmail.com
- From: vimal (@ 63.226.16.139)
on: Mon Feb 11 21:45:56 EST 2002
dudes, this is getting out of hand... please refrain from digging flashbacks in this thread, people come here with great enthusiasm whenever this thread is updated, and get upset because of your trying to form a palakkad club.
It is a matter of decency, NOM.
- From: kiru (@ 192.138.150.249)
on: Mon Feb 11 23:03:03 EST 2002
Yes, I was referring to the dEsiya geetham song. Amazing. I think IR has done two or three versions of vandE mAtaram, which probably preceded ARR's works. Ofcourse, the classical idiom of IR, in arrangement, in varying rhythms, large dynamic swings etc may not find favor in the current popular market.
The string passages in this song rivals that of any epic movies like Star Wars etc produced by Hollywood artistes, IMO. We just need a good director and producer (and probably market) for an epic of a movie. I dont think kamal gave much scope for the MD, in hEy rAm, the script was 'too packed'. So there is scope for even better score from IR.
vimal..it was not a busy place for sometime..so let the guys have some fun. What's interesting is most support for IRs music comes from the other side of the mountains these days !!
(eden, I know.. even accomplished people seem to have a complex when it comes to english vs tamil. They want to have their kids speak/read only english. My friends mother is an accomplised telugu poet (some national award winner). He says she feels bad (read inferior) that she cannot speak english.)
- From: IR Fan (@ 65.56.142.132)
on: Tue Feb 12 03:14:49 EST 2002
Yaaro: '82 SSC pass from MCChss, chennai! -should talk to you sometime.
Kiru, i tell you those interludes seemed liked the theme for star wars. 30s seconds interludes and variations that can make the score for hollywood movies. let me compute here: nearly 4000 songs, two interludes+ a prelude. let us say on the conservative side - we got themes for 4000 to 6000 hollywood films ! (hollywood movies themes are simply variations on a main themse which is more or less a 30 second tune/melody streched to run through a 2 hour film. very rarely do you see Ben-Hur or James Bond type movies with various themes)
- From: bb (@ 206.154.118.2)
on: Tue Feb 12 21:01:06 EST 2002
ir's pEtti: http://www.vikatan.com/chutti/2002/01022002/chutti0801.htm
- From: G (@ 12.146.128.11)
on: Wed Feb 13 12:27:35 EST 2002
Very sweet:-) Thanks bb for the link.
- From: kiru (@ 192.138.150.249)
on: Wed Feb 13 14:03:45 EST 2002
There is a good explanation of a synthesizer - record the sound and play it in whatever pitch you like. Neatly explained. Good question about sa ri ga ma pa da ni. and a nice answer.
- From: s0 (@ 128.119.92.36)
on: Wed Feb 13 19:19:31 EST 2002
me and my poor linux machine. even my computer rejects tamil:) can anyone please plase post the gist of the interview. thanks.
- From: Kupps (@ 156.153.255.126) on: Thu Feb 14 02:52:09 EST 2002
Let me try to translate the interview to the extent of my knowledge. Please forgive me if there are any mistakes
M.Shibana: MDs(incl. Michael Jackson) mean having lengthy hair like a hippie then how you are able to be so simple.
IR: I too, once had lengthy hairs like hippie, what to do if one is simple people see him as though he is (actually) a hippie
RamPrasad: Is there a way to check the mind?
IR: Its a bigger thing. Its good that this question is asked when you are a 'chutti'. You cannot check it. Its enough if it is directed towards good ways. It will help like water of paddy field. Greats have written songs especially for 'chuttis' - "Manam pona pokkilae pogavaendaam."
Balasubramanian: Your children are also getting prizes and titles by becoming MDs, just like you. How do you feel about it?
IR: I'll think, "adada! in that age i was getting prizes (only) in school singing competetion these have got in cinema itself".
Rajendran: Which song of Kavingar KaNNadaasan do you like very much?
IR: hey! chutti it doesn't seems to be your question. If it is indeed your question then the song "paal maNakkum paruvaththilae unnai pol naanirundhaen". Now, just for you, I write paal maNam maarivittaal ennai pol nee iruppaai.
Jeeva: Cine songs are easily recollectables but not the school lessons why?
IR: What to do in all houses, market places everywhere they put on cine songs in tape recorders and TVs and that directly gets into (your) heads. But school lessons are taught only in school and that too not sung.
Vidhya: Which is the best music in the world?
IR: Vidhya! you have the name of Godess of music, saraswathi. "kuzhal inidhu yaazhinidhu aenbatham makkaL mazhalaichchol kaeLaadhavar". Infants "mazhalai" is the best music in the world, because it is not produced by anyone(it is natural).
Karthik amarthya: Have you ever been sad on not being a child like us?
IR: Why to be sad (on this)? I can been glad that I was like you and (I can) be happy that you will be like me.
Nuzhath jahi: Mostly parents feel that the children should be in the same profession of their fathers. What is your opinion about it?
IR: I don't agree with this. Children should be given freedom to choose their interested profession. I'm an example for this because my father is not a musician.
Niyaz Ahamed: During your childhood days, just like us, have you played drums on the inverted vessels using spoons?
IR: More than yours. I'm still unable to straighten those inverted (vessels).
Rajan: How to reproduce sound of rain, sound of waterfalls, cuckoo's voice, animals' voice? Its really astonishing to us.
IR: Instruments cannot exactly reproduce them. But in today's scientific progress to store these sounds in computer and to reproduce them at required time at required pitch we have instruments. Whats so astonishing in replaying the recording things? Whatever it is a cuckoo is cuckoo.
sylvia: During interruption times my father would encourage himself by saying "even during IR's first recording the power went of". Is this true?
IR: Yes. If we think it as an interruption then it is. If we don't think then it is the progress.
Kavitha: Even now people who don't like(isaikku mayangaadhavargaL) are present, right?
IR: what "now" such people will be there always.
Jayakumar: Please tell us a joke related to music.
IR: why joke i'll tell u a story. A music performer had lend a money from a pawn broker. Since he(musician) could not get any kutchery he could not pay back his debt. The creditor could not get the money even after two or three attempts. Whenever the pawn broker visits the vidwaan he start singing "tharanannae tharannanae". The confused lendor saw the disciple with a question "when i have come to get back the money he is singing, why?". But the disciple was just smiling and loving his guru's singing. The vidwan was acting as sining with closed eyes just to see the lendor to go. The lendor asked the disciple, for that the disciple said - "he is infact answering you by saying tharaenae tharaenae".
Question: Had your mother expressed any of her desires to you? What is that?
IR: Not as her desire. But she had given me advice. In my young days I use to learn tabala and flute while learing harmonium and then and there would be interested in learning drawing and singing. I was so mad in drawing just like today's internet kids. My mother asked me to concentrate any one. I asked - why? She said - the concentration would get diverted. Since then i was concentrating in learning only harmonium.
Chudarkodi: Is there enough importance to music in present form of education?
IR: No. Educational Institutions teach only occupation oriented education. In foreign countries till the High school music is mandatory to learn. Since we don't have such system people like me, why like me, myself to see piano took 27 years. before that i saw it only in cinemas. Might be since it was not a mandatory thing i was very interested in learning this.
Sharmila: Is it true that you like villages more than cities?
IR: Who will dislike village's simple beauty? that too without electricity facility. adaengappa! the beauty in dawn with morning time sun rays; and the reddishly painted sky of the evening; sandy brookes in the beautiful moon rays; and stars during moonless days...we cannot tell these. Also, pollution free air due to the absence of bus, car, lorry, auto etc.
Mohamed rizwan: Just like Sa Re Ga Ma Pa Dha Ni for carnatic music what is the basis for western?
IR: Do Re Me Fa So Li Ti -- only the sound defined by the swaras are different but the matter is same.
Jayakumar: Do you have the habbit of reading stories. Which writer's work do you like most?
IR: In young days Kalki's stories. Now I'm not even reading newspapers. Their content makes the mind a trash. Liked writer is Jayakanthan. We can proudly say that we have such a thinking personality in our country.
Rajendran: Writing lyrics and tuning music which is interesting an easy?
IR: Both are interesting. Because they come easily. or else will we be having so much MDs and lyricists? Try to become a MD or lyricists and stop asking such questions.
Rajeshwari: Persons who deceitly coveting others wealthy are praised and living hounourably, isn't it?
IR: Why? Didn't people appreciated the penury struck Bharathy? Hasn't the country appreciated Gandhi who got back the plundered country from foreigners. Hasn't the world appreciated Mozart and Beethovan who lead a dry life? Living of Kamsas in Krishna's period; and ravanas in Rama's period is nature's law. You and I cannot do anything to that. But one thing its good if we are in good's side.
- From: Role Model IR (@ 65.59.10.243) on: Thu Feb 14 04:05:47 EST 2002
Kupps, thanks much.
This is great news. I hope we have more personalities meeting with children and schools likewise take children on tours to visit with great icons when they are at work. This way children draw a lot of direct inspiration. Excellent service by Isaignani.
- From: Kupps (@ 156.153.255.126) on: Thu Feb 14 02:52:09 EST 2002
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