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IR-ARR usage of instruments

Topic started by cram (@ 206.103.12.102) on Sat Apr 15 02:38:14 EDT 2000.
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get ready for another round, guys (timepass panna venaam:-))]. no IR or ARR bashing, please, muthallaye sollitten. let's just discuss how each of them has used various instruments. for instance, IR's use of acoustic guitar is unparalleled, while ARR rarely uses it. similarly, IR `pales' before ARR when it comes to electric guitar or keyboards (strictly IMHO, everyone's welcome to disagree). start shooting.

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• From: rjay (@ brkfw0005.navistar.com) on: Tue Apr 25 18:07:58 EDT 2000
  
  Udhaya
  
  IR's use of Sarangi is in Solai puzhpangalae.
  AR uses it in Oorvasi Oorvasi also, where it
  wails like human voice!
  
  Also
  
  Different algorithms can produce different
  natural sounds very accurately. Though FM
  makes fairly good imitations of individual
  sounds, it is tough to program the envelopes
  of the wave shapes in FM. Analog synthesis
  (subtractive - take a complex shape and filter
  out the harmonics) can do quite a lot, if you
  carefully program it. Rahman has outstanding
  synth sounds in many many songs. One that
  immediately comes to my mind is the plop
  sound in 'Thuli Thuli' (ESK) intro. Also in
  Malargalae Malargalae!
  
  There is a company called Seer Systems which
  has put together a software called Reality
  which has all these algorithms and recreates
  real instruments fairly good. Again, sound is
  one thing, performance controls is another!
  (Of course musical ideas is yet another!)
  
  There is a great revival of analog synths,
  (which were overshadowed by DX-7 for 10 years).
  There is one amazing software emulator of
  Roland's most famous TR808, TB303 kits. You have
  to play it to believe the quality. But that
  creates only techno-sounds.
  
  
  
  
• From: Naveen (@ pppa61-resaledavenport2-5r7231.saturn.bbn.com) on: Tue Apr 25 18:12:15 EDT 2000
  
  Very good Info Ravi. I'm eagerly waiting for a synth which produces 100% Piano tone, at a very low price. days are nearing.
  
  
• From: rjay (@ brkfw0005.navistar.com) on: Tue Apr 25 18:15:15 EDT 2000
  
  Viswanathan Ramamoorthy use Sarangi very well too,
  See Yaarantha nilavu (and hear Sridhar's MIDI
  sequence!)
  
  
  
• From: rjay (@ brkfw0005.navistar.com) on: Tue Apr 25 18:19:10 EDT 2000
  
  Naveen
  
  Kurzweil sells for around 2500 dollars, which
  is low price, for its capability. Many hollywood
  producers use it as their basic sound source.
  Also Korg Trinity, Triton series. Srikanth
  tells me Rahman used Korg 01/W for Roja and
  Srikanth also has one of them.
  
  For lower end, Yamaha sounds are often more
  bright than Roland sounds, and they seem to be
  the low price high quality winners. They use
  a technology they call as Advanced Wave Modulation, which I suspect is a way to alter
  sound spectrum across the keyboard. I have heard
  amazing sounds from very cheap yamaha keyboards.
  
  
  
  
• From: rajaG (@ daecfp01.sprint.com) on: Tue Apr 25 18:20:09 EDT 2000
  
  rjay:
  
  It is a pleasure to read your posts. Please continue to enlighten us.
  
  
• From: rjay (@ brkfw0005.navistar.com) on: Tue Apr 25 18:21:22 EDT 2000
  
  Last week I came across the website
  www.ntonyx.com. A Russian has done
  amazing software that can introduce
  controller effects into MIDI sequences
  and make them sound live play!
  Listen to the demos.
  
  Of course the software is very complicated
  and you must put a long learning curve to
  do what he has done, but you can give it
  a try if you want to say bye to your
  current acoustic band. ;)
  
  
• From: rjay (@ brkfw0005.navistar.com) on: Tue Apr 25 18:22:44 EDT 2000
  
  Thank you Naveen, rajaG, for enjoying the writing.
  I plan to write until the next fight on this
  thread.
  
  
• From: rajaG (@ daecfp01.sprint.com) on: Tue Apr 25 18:23:31 EDT 2000
  
  In the Dubai program I thought I saw Rehman use a Korg Trinity. My friends tell me that Triton is slightly better than Trinity - but I have not bothered to find out why, yet.
  
  
• From: rajaG (@ daecfp01.sprint.com) on: Tue Apr 25 18:25:40 EDT 2000
  
  rjay: OK! I think IR's keyboard cover is better looking than ARR's keyboard cover. Here we go!:-)
  
  
• From: rjay (@ brkfw0005.navistar.com) on: Tue Apr 25 18:30:25 EDT 2000
  
  rajaG,
  
  On second thoughts, I should not have
  made that comment, Sorry.
  
  Let us not invite trouble.
  We get what we expect!
  
  I am sure this thread will pull useful
  ideas more and more,
  
  
• From: rajaG (@ daecfp01.sprint.com) on: Tue Apr 25 18:32:53 EDT 2000
  
  rjay:
  
  OK back to my serious self again. Can you write about the relative pros and cons of using a sound module vs. an enhanced keyboard?
  
  
• From: rjay (@ brkfw0005.navistar.com) on: Tue Apr 25 18:42:35 EDT 2000
  
  Almost all good keyboards (K2600, Korg) are
  available as performance keyboard and also
  as rack mount modules.
  
  The purpose is differnt in each. Performance
  keyboards are for stage performance and can
  do all their corresponding module can do.
  
  However, people use Sound modules for mixing
  into albums. Just choice and reduced
  studio space!
  
  When you look at a module, you think of it
  as a sound source and tend to drive it from
  a PC, typically. So you can do quite a lot of
  controller information to get nuances.
  
  Keyboards generally have a built in sequencer
  which you can use to record a multi-part song
  and play it back.
  
  I personally think, good keyboard players
  should not be limited to keyboard (which has
  very limited controllers (kb, touch, pitch,
  modulation(though you can program any synth
  control to one of the wheels, you generally cannot
  manipulate more than one simultaneously).
  They should learn to use PC sequencers.
  
  However, it really pays a lot to learn to play
  keyboards well. Better still, play acoustic
  instruments like, guitar, flute, violin.
  Nadaswaram IMO would be the last imitated
  instruments. Acoustic sounds carry very
  very rich harmonics and dynamics and they
  excite you so much musically. (Nadham)
  Flute can melt our souls. (Just a passing by
  flute in Enna Seyya pogirai pulls us like this!
  Nadaswaram examples would be Raja's
  works in Poongathave interlude and many others.)
  
  
• From: srikanth (@ host2.cvs.aa.net) on: Tue Apr 25 19:43:14 EDT 2000
  
  My 2 cents...
  
  What is a sound module?
  Imagine the sound generator s alone being ripped of from the keyboard, this becomes a sound module.
  This does everything the keyboard does but does not have input of its own,it depends on Midi-in , we can connect triggers and control this module via midi.
  
  What are triggers?
  Triggers are dummy keyboards without tones, they just transmit midi events. they dont have any sound engine in them. but have all the input functions a keyboard will have,these also have special buttons/slider to control volume, pan etc.
  
  All the popular keyboards are converted to a sound module. Musicians prefer to use sound modules because it occupies only 2/4 rack spaces,
  they just need one trigger keyboard (this is can be also a keyboard with tones
  
  Best bet will be to buy 1 good keyboard like dx7 or korg trinity and keep investing on modules, modules are 3 or 4 times cheaper than the keyboards.All this can be chained using midi in/thru cables. There are also midi hubs available,which routes data.
  
  
  
  
  
• From: Kamesh (@ 203.106.110.117) on: Tue Apr 25 21:27:04 EDT 2000
  
  OOPS. I was blown by your revelation.
  I was convinced that the mouna raagam piece was from a real piano because of the sound.
  
  I am a novice as far as playing keyboards is concerned but am trying to bridge it by putting my daughter into professional training. She started her Junior Music course at Yamaha Music school at the age of 4 and has finished it now.(FYI-she came out as best performer in all the levels) She is now into Electone course which runs 13 levels. I hope she achieves what I could not. Meanwhile I am doing my best to catch up with her:-))))
  
  I have to now go for a more sophisticated organ as she just used a Casio for her basics.
  Any tips on this. I dont have a lot of money to throw in though.
  
  Rjay, RajaG, Srikanth etc..
  
  I understand how it feels when somebody spoils a good discussion. In a free for all place like this sometimes devil does rule. Let us forget thier existence and just go ahead with what is going on.
  
  Kudos to you all for taking me in this wonderful journey. I love it.
  
  Now over to you.
  
  
  
  
• From: Naveen (@ pppa41-resaledavenport1-3r7231.saturn.bbn.com) on: Tue Apr 25 22:07:43 EDT 2000
  
  Kamesh,
  
  If you want to bring your daughter a good professional pianist, I suggest you to buy an acoustic piano for her. Grand Piano will occupy too much space and it is expensive too. Get an Upright (Vertical) Piano. If there is any Piano Sale near ur place, just go and browse. sometimes you may get a very good deal. While practising there should'nt be any diversion like Auto rhythm, auto Accompaniment etc. Because of these, sometimes you won't give much importance to fingering. this will deteriorate the fingering. Fingering is very very important in Piano when you play fast runs. Nowadays the piano playing style is very much simplified. Once you learn advanced piano playing styles, you won't like the latest style of playing piano. I have an acoustic piano. definitely I enjoy playing in piano than an electronic keyboard. For example, do a trill (playing alternate notes rapidly.) in an acoustic piano and an electronic piano, you'll definitely like the acoustic one. another example is arppeggio (break the chords and play).
  if your daughter likes to participate in a piano competition, it is better to practise in Acoustic Piano.
  
  All the best.
  
  
• From: pentium (@ sji-ca-cache1.icg.net) on: Tue Apr 25 23:32:26 EDT 2000
  
  hey guys who is this srikanth. i have worked with rehman in roja and he has not used the korg01/w keyboard in that ,i did the drum programming for him in roja in fact he used a yamaha wave synthesizer in roja
  
  
• From: srikanth (@ 63.226.195.122) on: Wed Apr 26 00:10:03 EDT 2000
  
  pentium or viggy007.....
  clarification:
  i happend to know this piece of info thru Mr.Noel (Arr asst), I was spending some time with him,
  (when arr was busy recording konjum nilavu - i was not let inside the recording studio for some reason or other), there was huge banner of Phil collins with korg 01/w in the rececption, I asked noel about the keyboard and he told arr has used it completely in roja and in Thiruda Thiruda (he also told korg m1 was used). thats is the brief history,
  btw; who are you ?, can you tell your actual name.
  i dont think anyone will belive you here if you dont tell your name.
  
  Kamesh: Naveen is graded piano player...you got the best advice. all the best for your daughter.
  
  

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